Until he's no longer the coach of Rutgers, I will support him.
I owe him that. He is serving our university with dignity & honor.
I owe him that. He is serving our university with dignity & honor.
Eddie Jordan:
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He is in the process of doing something almost unimaginable....leaving the program in worst shape than when he started.
He took the job, yet was unwilling to put forth the effort required to succeed.
He took the job, yet was unwilling to put forth the effort required to succeed.
I'd like to see what he could do with a full team of healthy players. He said when we entered the B1G that we had to get taller and better players. I think Sanders, Freeman and Laurent all fit that bill. I don't know how good Shaq was going to be this year (no one does) and think that Diallo is still a work in progress, but if one or both were available, our backup center would be 6'10" or 6'11" instead of 6'4" or 6'2" as was the case in a few games. Maybe Shaq would have been good enough to start or log major minutes, because I don't think Lewis is a true center. His offense is fall-away jump shots from 8-18 feet which takes him out of position for rebounding and lowers his shooting percentage. I don't know if Eddie is the right coach or not, but imo, anyone who thinks this season's results are a reflection of his coaching ability don't accept the fact that multiple major injuries killed this season REGARDLESS of who the coach is.
Jordan as a person should be supported, as a coach: the program comes first and if you feel he deserves another year prove himself because of the obstacles he faced and injuries this season you have every right to support Jordan the HC..
If you think Eddie needs to be replaced because you don't like the way the program looks under him, that's supporting the program, in my opinion.
But hopefully show respect for Jordan as a person while stating he should go.
If you think Eddie needs to be replaced because you don't like the way the program looks under him, that's supporting the program, in my opinion.
But hopefully show respect for Jordan as a person while stating he should go.
Eddie gets the respect because of his legacy here as a player. No one's booing him at the RAC. And there are no "Eddie Must GO" signs either.
But I don't understand why some posters aren't convinced yet that he's failed here. The injuries are unfortunate and not his fault. But they underscore his recruiting failures. Too many misses. Academic risks. What about the ofer in Jersey recruits? That's simply unacceptable for a state university.
Some people want to wait to see what he can do with a full roster? Why? How do we know we will have a full roster next year with Eddie? 3 big men with injuries severe enough to lose an entire season? What are the odds they all come back healthy and can last a full season?
And the 2 suspended players? Have they learned their lesson and be eligible from here on?
Too many questions.
Eddie must go. But without the boos and without the signs. He's earned that respect.
But I don't understand why some posters aren't convinced yet that he's failed here. The injuries are unfortunate and not his fault. But they underscore his recruiting failures. Too many misses. Academic risks. What about the ofer in Jersey recruits? That's simply unacceptable for a state university.
Some people want to wait to see what he can do with a full roster? Why? How do we know we will have a full roster next year with Eddie? 3 big men with injuries severe enough to lose an entire season? What are the odds they all come back healthy and can last a full season?
And the 2 suspended players? Have they learned their lesson and be eligible from here on?
Too many questions.
Eddie must go. But without the boos and without the signs. He's earned that respect.
He didn't say he didn't give a crap about the fans. He said he doesn't care what those fans think who don't recognize that injuries have created this situation. An example he gave was Mike Williams at 6'2" being forced by injuries to others to guard players 6"-8" taller than he. In one game, 6'2" Goode was covering a 7'2" guy for part of the game. If fans don't recognize the injury situation and the affect it has only he outcome of the game, then that makes their opinions pretty much worthless. When did you ever hear him say it's ok to lose?
When told fans were getting impatient about getting ONE WIN, and asked if it was important, that's when he went on his rant. Since last year, he has rarely talked about winning always talking about spirit and effort. There is no urgency in building this program. It's okay to lose here, his attitude in postgame press conferences and media interviews screams it.
This team may be the worst coached team in the history of BASKETBALL!
At least from an RU POV, Littlepage is walking around with his head up a little higher.
Some of you guys have tremendous stamina on the Jordan issue. Slice and dice it as many ways as you can to support your respective views. I for one cannot wait until the season is over and his fate is finally determined. I for one continue to advocate that Hobbs should cut the chord.
In the meantime can we arrange pick up game between sides? Right now I have a strong 3 on 3 in my mind with Bac, Ruman and BIGNJHoops taking on Choppin, goru7 and Scarlet Long Island. T2K and Cyrock can probably get it 4 aside but I am sure we go six or seven deep on both sides based on the continuous drum beating on the board.
In the meantime can we arrange pick up game between sides? Right now I have a strong 3 on 3 in my mind with Bac, Ruman and BIGNJHoops taking on Choppin, goru7 and Scarlet Long Island. T2K and Cyrock can probably get it 4 aside but I am sure we go six or seven deep on both sides based on the continuous drum beating on the board.
Doesn't care about winning? Maybe you'd rather him rant and rave like Rice (maybe throw some bballs at the players)? Or behave like FHJ, essentially ignore the fanbase (even the Court Club), then go curse out a baseball umpire. We all wanted a coach with civility, calmness, self-control when we hired him. I didn't hear anyone calling for a firebrand.
First year record and recruiting was EXPECTED to be a bust (what did you expect from Mack and Jack when they and the vaunted recruiting class were losing under Rice?). He got two 4* players to come here under horrific circumstances. Guys like Willliams, Foreman, and Goode were considered nice signings by most -- including this board. Daniels and Grier were hailed as good stop-gaps until "big time" recruiting kicked in. Everyone was going ga-ga about Doorson getting a glimpse of him last year. No-one was complaining about the Laurent, Diallo, and Nigel signings.
So this year he loses the whole front-line for virtually the entire season (Lewis playing on one leg all year). I'm not excusing what looked like poor effort, and less than inspired (apparently) coaching. But how many games is Coach K winning with six scholarship players?
Jordan's not Wooden or Hank Iba. Recruiting for next year is terrible. But I'd like to see him with a full roster to prove himself as a coach or fall on his face. Another crap year won't decrease the fan base. We're rock bottom now. Program can't fall any further. If a new coach is going to energize and save the program, 2016 or 2017 is all the same. I'd assume not paying off another coach is a $$$ + making more available for the new guy. And while there are some good guys out there, I don't see any game changer now.
First year record and recruiting was EXPECTED to be a bust (what did you expect from Mack and Jack when they and the vaunted recruiting class were losing under Rice?). He got two 4* players to come here under horrific circumstances. Guys like Willliams, Foreman, and Goode were considered nice signings by most -- including this board. Daniels and Grier were hailed as good stop-gaps until "big time" recruiting kicked in. Everyone was going ga-ga about Doorson getting a glimpse of him last year. No-one was complaining about the Laurent, Diallo, and Nigel signings.
So this year he loses the whole front-line for virtually the entire season (Lewis playing on one leg all year). I'm not excusing what looked like poor effort, and less than inspired (apparently) coaching. But how many games is Coach K winning with six scholarship players?
Jordan's not Wooden or Hank Iba. Recruiting for next year is terrible. But I'd like to see him with a full roster to prove himself as a coach or fall on his face. Another crap year won't decrease the fan base. We're rock bottom now. Program can't fall any further. If a new coach is going to energize and save the program, 2016 or 2017 is all the same. I'd assume not paying off another coach is a $$$ + making more available for the new guy. And while there are some good guys out there, I don't see any game changer now.
How do you know they will not all be back healthy and back from suspension? All indications on the health front is that they are and were progressing without any setbacks. All indications are that the academic support is there and that the discipline enforced was necessary . Why for the first time in a decade, with a full and balanced roster in class rank, would you want to blow it up? Knowing full well we are not getting a game changer coach in here until facilities and support is tremendously upgraded? Why would you risk losing the best point guard in over a decade that will make a difference in the Big 10, as well as another promising freshman and our low post scorer?
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Because the past three years have been the worst basketball we have ever seen, and Eddie is not changing his spots. Because next year you'll be arguing the same thing because *if* everything goes right (and it rarely does for any team) you're talking about 12 total wins (and that might be a 5 or 6 win improvement this year) and that's still not enough. Because next year, when we are stuck with 2 foul prone, coming off injury, project centers and when they are getting annihilated inside, we will hear the same story about packing in the middle and oops! Here's come the barrage of threes again. Because I'm not convinced this roster sticks together after this year and I don't have confidence that Eddie will actually have a full roster next year. Because Eddie is not a good coach. Because the narrative on Eddie Jordan has already been written and its time to start a true program build and end the bridge the Jordan was to get us past the Rice era.
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Whats the end game for the Jordan supporters...if he wins 12-13 what does that mean...if he comes back he is getting two years...I definitely do no want to go through two years of Eddie because of some 1% of succeeding
Bingo. The problem is EJ himself. Lazy coaching, not practicing rebounding, unintelligent play, many games where defense is non-existent, no adjustments at halftime, etc.
Time to face the fact that EJ is not a good college coach. Time for Hobbs to move on.
Wow , your memory is short. Last year, we beat a good Vanderbilt team at Barclays during Thansgiving, then went to Clemson in the Acc/big 10 challenge and beat them on the road. We happened to beat Wisconsin, remember the Final Four team, that did not have Kaminsky, but did have Decker, Hayes, Koenig, Gasser, and a full bench. We then went to Maryland and get hosed on a block/ charge call and lose in the last minute. Yeah I forgot Maryland sucked last year. Then Kadeem started drifting further and further from the block, Myles was doing too much and playing too many minutes, and couldn't play defense, and Etou started pouting because he wasn't getting enough shots. Yeah the losing streak happened but even down the stretch we took Purdue to the end of the game on the. Road. This year without Doorson, and with Greg hurt, the center position gave us little. Then Deshawn gets hurt near the end of the Clemson game and limps thru the Wake game and is done. Once he went down , our low post option is out the window. Then, Diallo, then Laurent, then Corey all missing for all or portion of games. Stop focusing on this team being an embarrassment to you , put the noise aside, and as a Rutgers fan , unlike outsiders, wrap your head around the thought the injuries doomed this team. Your Hall of Fame coaches weren't doing better.
Always making excuses. The fact that you're willing to just toss a 30 game losing streak in conference out the window is stunning. Frightening. I've never seen someone willing to overlook the worst stretch of basketball in YEARS for a coach. Eddie Jordan is 58-135 in his last almost 200 games as a head coach. That is awful across two different levels of the game.
But we'll sit here and listen to you twist yourself in knots to prove it's not awful and all going to change with the snap of a finger next year.
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Goru thinks Wake is a good team becauae they beat Indiana...doesn't realize that fluke wins are common
You want to count this year's roster in the Big 10 and I give him a pass. Look at the big picture! The lack of facilities, committment for the last 20 years, 7 year losing streak when he got here, transfer u, no NCAA ' s for 22 year 's, has more to do with where we are at, than Eddie Jordan
And a lot of Eddie supporters count the previous two years when it helps your argument and then throw it out when it doesn't.
Didn't say that but why I am not surprised you need to comprehend better. We played Wake right after they beat Indiana. They did not suck then, they just beat UCLA and Indiana in Maui ..We were beating Wake almost the whole game despite Freeman playing on one leg and we lost our low post option. Teams don't just suck or are great. There is a place in the middle.. I just point out how many times you point out things that are always wrong just to stick with your agenda. Believe me , everyone on this board knows your agenda , and except for your 3 amigos, cannot stand it. You tried to go over to the Round Table and start your bullshit on there and guess what 10 posters that don't post regularly on the basketball board tell you the same thing I do , and you and 3 amigos go there and try to defend your crap.
You calling it excuses and guess what most of the posters on here and on the Round Table think it is reality. Don't let facts slap you in the face.
You use "think" and then tell me it's fact. By using the word "think" you are saying it's opinion. Poster after poster hand you statistics and you tell us they don't tell the story.
I have stated my opinion and you have stated yours and we do not agree. That is fine this is a message board. But you act like the team you supposedly root for has been at full strength and still lost 15 straight this year in the Big 10 . If they were at full strength and lost by some of the scores in the Purdue game , I would be right with you saying Eddie should be canned. But I see hope and potential and a full roster, and recruits , out of the cluster f--- we were in 2 years ago. If you root for Rutgers and know basketball you wouldn't blow it up since you are never getting a damn good coach in here with the present state of the facilities and support
