Elite 24 Team Futr & Curry Camp / Ace & Dylan / ESPNU Saturday at 8pm
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Ace Bailey best player on the floor - Flagg and Dybantsa playing. That says alot
You have to think that Ace and Dylan's play has to give Cooper Flagg something to think about. Could you imagine the #1 recruit in 2 consecutive classes? It has probably never happened before.
Flagg is expected to reclass into 24, and unfortunately looks to be a heavy Duke lean. When he reclasses he is expected to be the #1 player in the class, but I don’t think anyone should be disappointed getting #2 and #3.
Everyone should watch these videos to understand what we are getting, particularly the hand wringers worried about taking one and done players. I never saw Phil Sellers play (I was old enough, just not following Rutgers at the time), but Ace and Dylan are far superior offensively right now tHan anyone who has played at a Rutgers in the last 40 years, and they still have one more year of high school to play. They are lighting it up against other NBA first round draft picks and several pros. Ace in particular is insane, drilling jumpers from 25+ feet away like it’s nothing, and throwing down a dunk whenever he wants to.
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Flagg is bigger and I'm not sure if his shot is better or not but ace seems to be more fluid with the ball in his hands. I noticed ace wasn't on the eybl circuit though. At least that I know of, so that's where he probably lost ground to flagg. Flagg gained most of this no. 1 momentum on eybl I believe...Dylan is just good at everything but not as big as those guys and seemingly less athletic than either. I look at Dylan Harper like a Brandon roy before he got injured..
Bailey may be undervalued a little because he hasn‘t been active on the bigger circuits and he had an injury and missed some time. Bailey seems like a more pure shooter and scorer, and Flagg is a better all around player, but as I say that and is is hard to dismiss all of Flagg’s 35+ point games against the most elite competition. Flagg is a beast on defense, getting ridiculous amounts of blocks and rebounds for a player who is a 3/4. Flagg also seems to be more skilled as a facilitator, because he is far and away the best player on his EYBL team, defenses collapse on him and he is good at getting his teammates easy looks. I like the comparisons of Harper to James Harden, he will beat you deep, and if you try to play him tight he goes to the basket and either scores or gets someone else a good look. He may not be an elite athlete but he is physical and not afraid of contact, again like Harden.
Ah man...I guess lol I'm just not the biggest fan of James harden... I like the ball to move. Not dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble step back 3.. but yeah James harden as well just would hope that even though harden has good assist numbers, Dylan is more of a team player.
Saw almost every game Sellers played. He was a great player, but he wasn't the athlete Ace is. He was a better athlete than Dylan though. Phil just had the "it" factor. He was for Rutgers what Reggie was for the Yankees. I would have liked to see him with a three point line. Most of his shots were inside of 18' as I remember, and he could really use the glass, somewhat of a lost art today. I think Ace is in a class by himself and should definitely be ranked ahead of Harper, but I don't think Dylan is far superior offensively right now than any RU player in the last 40 years - Earl Duncan, Keith Hughes, Eric Riggins, and Quincy Douby are a few others that come to mind. I looked back and saw that Riggins actually scored more than 30 ppg eight times in one season. He averaged over 24 ppg that year. As a Junior, Douby averaged 25 ppg. Dylan couldn't walk into the Big 10 as a high school junior and do that.
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UA Elite 24 is Saturday 8/12 in Atlanta. If you're anywhere near Atlanta (3 hour drive), put on your RU jerseys and go.
https://www.sitickets.com/event/ua-next-elite-24
https://www.sitickets.com/event/ua-next-elite-24
As you said Dylan is walking into BIG competition, those guys did not play against that level of competition and were generally much more one dimensional in their games. Like I said, Dylan is a lot like Harden, if you give him the 3, he will take it and kill you that way. If you try to get up into him to take that shot away, he will go past you and get to the rim and either get fouled or score (or pass to an open shooter if the defense tries to collapse on him). He will happily take 10 - 12 foul shots a game if you try to play him tight on the perimeter.
I don’t know the context of these games (have they been doing drills for hours before hand?), but it baffles me how little defensive intensity there is. You’re with the top 20 guys in the country playing in front of the best player in the world over the last 5 years. Don’t you want to leave an impression?
I was waiting for someone to complain about the defense, it is so predictable. First of all, the offensive talent on the court is through the roof, everyone can shoot, everyone can get to the rim, regardless of the defense. You are putting 5 kids at a time on the court who can all score, so the level of offensive play is generally higher than college, but lower than the NBA. Secondly, these players are just thrown together on the court for the first time together, its hard to play any defense other than straight man to man, because you don’t know anything about your teammates defensive tendencies, when the when to switch when they don’t, when to double, etc. When you see NBA guys thrown together like this in international competitions and the struggle it is the same challenge vs sending a team where people regularly play together and have a defensive identity.
Sellers wasn't one dimensional, and players weren't one dimensional anyway. If anything, Players are only two dimensional offensively today - three pointers and layups, and if there was a three point shot I'm sure he would have adjusted, plus he was a GREAT rebounder for 6'4". He had a mid-range game and he could post-up. Dylan has a better handle, but that's about it. Sellers was tough as nails too. And how could you call him one dimensional when you admitted you didn't even follow Rutgers. Players took shots from three point range. They just didn't get three points for them. As for the level of competition - of course it is better today. Mickey Mantle probably would have hit 700 home runs if he played in his prime at the same time as Ruth, but no one thinks he was a better home run hitter than Babe Ruth. You can only compare players in any sport relative to their competition, otherwise you could claim that Dylan is already better than Walt Frazier or Jerry West. One last thing - I don't know if Dylan goes by Big Ten defenders like we see him going by kids in AAU games who are playing very little defense, and while he's a good three point shooter, is he a better three point shooter than Simpson was in high school. Simpson's reputation was as a very good three point shooter and we see how that has worked out thus far.
I thought we agreed we were NOT comparing to Sellers, but to guys like Douby and Hughes. Even though I didn’t see Phil play, I agree he is in a different category than the others.
You can show effort and get beat still and I won’t open my mouth. These guys seem to be sliding at half speed. Steph was left open multiple times…he’s the best player at the world and it’s his camp! He lectured them the previous day about how they’re too quiet on defense and it’s better to be wrong and loud then quiet.
We should all be happy that Rutgers has top 10 players and in conversation for recruiting more of them. Who would have thought !( Remember Pike can't recruit). And fans now talking about a legitimate chance to be a final four team, not just dreaming about it. This would not be happening if we were not a B1G team. BTW Phil Sellers was a great player and put RU on the map in the 70"s.
If you haven't had a chance to contribute to the Go Fund Me for Phil, go there today.
If you haven't had a chance to contribute to the Go Fund Me for Phil, go there today.
Sorry, you're right. I was mostly trying to say that players back then were not at all one dimensional.
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Should be a great opportunity to get a sneak peak at what we can hopefully expect in 2024 as they will be on the same team.
Should be a great opportunity to get a sneak peak at what we can hopefully expect in 2024 as they will be on the same team.
Head to Harlem on Saturday August 19 to see 'em live in action...
Damn
Both of these guys can already do things that we haven’t seen from anyone in a Rutgers uniform in forever.
