Financials?
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Are you under the impression that RU would have been invited to the B1G if Maryland declined the offer and stayed in the ACC back in 2012? MD was undecided about the move until the UA booster Plank pushed the Admin to accept the offer.
For the B1G it was take both schools together or take no one. Fortunately MD said Yes.
RU was offered by the B1G one day after MD accepted the invite. It was a packaged deal and RU was part of it. It’s all good now but we were not driving the bus in those negotiations. MD got a better deal from the B1G than we did.
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I'm under the impression that the B1G wanted and needed the #1 NYC TV DMA (and a good chunk of the #4 Philly TV DMA in NJ) and we're the only FBS school in it, so the B1G would've invited us, even if it was solo or with someone else.
There is no way USC and UCLA agreed to publicly commit to the Big Ten without knowing the financial terms. Yes they have to workout terms on many things but they already know what the $$ deal is.
Well here's some more info in a Q&A from Canzano that wasn't in his article yesterday. If that's the case well then Stanford offers more from the biz perspective than some of us think, including myself. Just as a reminder from that article yesterday, the ex Fox sports prez thought Oregon/Wash were worth 60M.
Q: Who is more attractive to the Big Ten, Stanford or Oregon? — @williamswes
A: The ex-Fox Sports Network president, Bob Thompson, placed Oregon’s media-rights value at $30 million and Stanford’s at $45 million when I pressed him. That may be all that would normally matter to the Big Ten. However, I think Oregon’s national brand and Phil Knight’s clout give the Ducks the edge. If the Big Ten takes Oregon, I would expect there to be some sort of subsidy or waiting period (See: Maryland) before the Ducks are allowed to take a full conference media share.
Q: How will Cal ever pay off its stadium debt now? Getting into the Big Ten is a fantasy, so we'll be left with mid-major TV deal money. There's no way out of a $100M(?) debt with that. Do you think it's a possibility that Cal shuts down its football program within a few years? — @RuminatingOrion
A: There’s a lot of ball to play before we get to a “shut down” situation. Cal is paired with Stanford and sits in the Bay Area television market. Because of that former Fox Sports Network president Bob Thompson told me he believes Cal/Stanford are worth $90 million total in annual television revenue. That is a huge advantage.
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Q: Who is more attractive to the Big Ten, Stanford or Oregon? — @williamswes
A: The ex-Fox Sports Network president, Bob Thompson, placed Oregon’s media-rights value at $30 million and Stanford’s at $45 million when I pressed him. That may be all that would normally matter to the Big Ten. However, I think Oregon’s national brand and Phil Knight’s clout give the Ducks the edge. If the Big Ten takes Oregon, I would expect there to be some sort of subsidy or waiting period (See: Maryland) before the Ducks are allowed to take a full conference media share.
Q: How will Cal ever pay off its stadium debt now? Getting into the Big Ten is a fantasy, so we'll be left with mid-major TV deal money. There's no way out of a $100M(?) debt with that. Do you think it's a possibility that Cal shuts down its football program within a few years? — @RuminatingOrion
A: There’s a lot of ball to play before we get to a “shut down” situation. Cal is paired with Stanford and sits in the Bay Area television market. Because of that former Fox Sports Network president Bob Thompson told me he believes Cal/Stanford are worth $90 million total in annual television revenue. That is a huge advantage.
Canzano: Mailbag deals with Pac-12's future, Oregon-Washington decision... and hotdogs
Your questions, my answers...
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In the end - it is the Benjamins that decide. Good find. That said, will be interesting to see if the B1G elects to lock in the West Coast now or play waiting game to see what SEC does next. I think SEC is focused more on Southeast, but is that a long term National winning strategy? It is an incredibly strong market from a football viewpoint, but even with Florida and Texas, not as large as the rest of the country. Also, if BIG takes a shot at UNC, Duke/ UVA that bring on two more strong populous states into Big Ten tent. None of this may happen this year, but interesting to speculate what the longer term play is.Well here's some more info in a Q&A from Canzano that wasn't in his article yesterday. If that's the case well then Stanford offers more from the biz perspective than some of us think, including myself. Just as a reminder from that article yesterday, the ex Fox sports prez thought Oregon/Wash were worth 60M.
Q: Who is more attractive to the Big Ten, Stanford or Oregon? — @williamswes
A: The ex-Fox Sports Network president, Bob Thompson, placed Oregon’s media-rights value at $30 million and Stanford’s at $45 million when I pressed him. That may be all that would normally matter to the Big Ten. However, I think Oregon’s national brand and Phil Knight’s clout give the Ducks the edge. If the Big Ten takes Oregon, I would expect there to be some sort of subsidy or waiting period (See: Maryland) before the Ducks are allowed to take a full conference media share.
Q: How will Cal ever pay off its stadium debt now? Getting into the Big Ten is a fantasy, so we'll be left with mid-major TV deal money. There's no way out of a $100M(?) debt with that. Do you think it's a possibility that Cal shuts down its football program within a few years? — @RuminatingOrion
A: There’s a lot of ball to play before we get to a “shut down” situation. Cal is paired with Stanford and sits in the Bay Area television market. Because of that former Fox Sports Network president Bob Thompson told me he believes Cal/Stanford are worth $90 million total in annual television revenue. That is a huge advantage.
Canzano: Mailbag deals with Pac-12's future, Oregon-Washington decision... and hotdogs
Your questions, my answers...
This isn't surprising since the San Fran-Oakland-San Jose TV DMA has almost double the number of households as the entire state of Oregon.Well here's some more info in a Q&A from Canzano that wasn't in his article yesterday. If that's the case well then Stanford offers more from the biz perspective than some of us think, including myself. Just as a reminder from that article yesterday, the ex Fox sports prez thought Oregon/Wash were worth 60M.
Q: Who is more attractive to the Big Ten, Stanford or Oregon? — @williamswes
A: The ex-Fox Sports Network president, Bob Thompson, placed Oregon’s media-rights value at $30 million and Stanford’s at $45 million when I pressed him. That may be all that would normally matter to the Big Ten. However, I think Oregon’s national brand and Phil Knight’s clout give the Ducks the edge. If the Big Ten takes Oregon, I would expect there to be some sort of subsidy or waiting period (See: Maryland) before the Ducks are allowed to take a full conference media share.
Q: How will Cal ever pay off its stadium debt now? Getting into the Big Ten is a fantasy, so we'll be left with mid-major TV deal money. There's no way out of a $100M(?) debt with that. Do you think it's a possibility that Cal shuts down its football program within a few years? — @RuminatingOrion
A: There’s a lot of ball to play before we get to a “shut down” situation. Cal is paired with Stanford and sits in the Bay Area television market. Because of that former Fox Sports Network president Bob Thompson told me he believes Cal/Stanford are worth $90 million total in annual television revenue. That is a huge advantage.
Canzano: Mailbag deals with Pac-12's future, Oregon-Washington decision... and hotdogs
Your questions, my answers...
Yea I get that it's a market thing but I still think Oregon/Wash are better additions for the longer term with the reasoning in that "clueless" thread.
Eventually though, I think you could see 3 out of the 4 in the B10 (Oregon, Washington, Stanford) but who knows exactly how and when that would play out. I just don't think the long term strategy for the B10 is to keep USC/UCLA as lone western outposts. Longer time frames for buy ins for these schools can help deal with them being of lesser current value. The last B10 tv contract was 6 years, so another one could likely be in the same vicinity and then you'd have the flexibility again to financially absorb whatever lack of current value there may be.
USC has a solid club men's lax team. There are actually national ratings and leagues for men's lacrosse club, as Title IX prevents a lot of universities with a limited number of sports comply with a NCAA men's team. USC rated #9 in the country last year, the rough equivalent of a good, but not Final Four, D3 team. UCLA was not rated in the Top 25.
Utah is the only PAC school with a D1 men's lax team.
That's a very interesting question. The answer will probably irritate us...
Conferences also don't add anyone that will lose current members money.
They aren't charities that just throw out "lifeboats" out of the good of their hearts.
They only add schools that will increase the money everyone else is receiving.
If there was a better option available at the time, that would have made the Big Ten more money (than Rutgers) that school would have been invited. Didn't see the Big Ten inviting UConn or Temple.
Rutgers was the best option for the Big Ten at that time.
This persistent thought that the Big Ten invited Rutgers out of the goodness of their heart is crazy.
Big Ten needed us as well.
I don't think the question is "less money." Obviously all of the recent additions are/will make much more money. I think the question is whether, in the short term, these glamorous new additions pay the price of entrance the way Nebraska, Rutgers and Maryland did.
I'm going to guess that they will not. That's life...
It's easier to pay the price of entrance when the price is lower (2014 payout vs. 2022 payout)
Not our problem (as a current member) that UCLA/USC and others are late to the party and have to deal with a higher entrance price.
