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Gov Murphy tried to get Alvarez a Job at Rutgers

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Wow. +1 to the usually bumbling RU Admin for not caving to the Jr Gov's sleazy move. Then again, good thing NJ Pres Sweeney didn't put the arm on Barchi.
 
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Why would anyone be surprised. This is nothing new for any administration. The only difference, before E-mail and Cell Phone records, this request would be made in person at the local Subway. Thus no paper trail.
 
Sexual assault must be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The cover up is also despicable. However, if I recall correctly two separate prosecutors offices declined to bring charges against this guy. Should he never be allowed to work again?

As a law student i volunteered at a women's shelter and helped abused women get restraining orders. I understand the serious physical and emotional impact victims of assault endure. I also was a criminal defense attorney in my younger years. Sometimes the "truth" is not always what it seems on the surface.

The apparent new standard of conviction by allegation with a lifetime sentence of societal banishment by social media troubles me. In the minds of many this guy is a convicted sexual predator when in fact he was never charged or afforded the opportunity to confront his accuser. We need to be sensitive to the accuser and fair to the accused. It does not appear sensitivity or fairness was present in this case.
 
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BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine said:
Wow. +1 to the usually bumbling RU Admin for not caving to the Jr Gov's sleazy move. Then again, good thing NJ Pres Sweeney didn't put the arm on Barchi.
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Perfect example as to why we need that Board of Trustees giving us some independence from the politically-dominated Board of Governors. Employees wanting to do right by Rutgers should at least have friends and some cover on the BOT.
 
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Is that article written by the same dork that the board put in many hilarious memes a few years ago?
 
cicero grimes said:
Sexual assault must be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The cover up is also despicable. However, if I recall correctly two separate prosecutors offices declined to bring charges against this guy. Should he never be allowed to work again?

As a law student i volunteered at a women's shelter and helped abused women get restraining orders. I understand the serious physical and emotional impact victims of assault endure. I also was a criminal defense attorney in my younger years. Sometimes the "truth" is not always what it seems on the surface.

The apparent new standard of conviction by allegation with a lifetime sentence of societal banishment by social media troubles me. In the minds of many this guy is a convicted sexual predator when in fact he was never charged or afforded the opportunity to confront his accuser. We need to be sensitive to the accuser and fair to the accused. It does not appear sensitivity or fairness was present in this case.
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But no mention to RU about the investigation, which was ongoing at the time? I realize guilty until proven innocent problematic and endemic in social media, but "sweeping it under the rug" is even worse.
 
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But no mention to RU about the investigation, which was ongoing at the time? I realize guilty until proven innocent problematic and endemic in social media, but "sweeping it under the rug" is even worse.
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I don't disagree with that. If political pressure was brought to bear those exerting the pressure should also be brought to justice. But it also puts us on the horns of the dilemma. The guy was investigated twice and no charges brought forward. In today's environment if that was disclosed, would he ever be interviewed despite not having been charged?
 
He can work wherever he wants doesn’t mean it has to be here.
 
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Can he? With the allegation against him, who will hire him in this environment.
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what if you are the CEO of a firm that hires him and another complaint comes forward from a employee,this time the employee/ victim will pursue and hes found guilty. Would you want to be the person who hired him,with knowledge of past claims?
 
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what if you are the CEO of a firm that hires him and another complaint comes forward from a employee,this time the employee/ victim will pursue and hes found guilty. Would you want to be the person who hired him,with knowledge of past claims?
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That is what I am saying. By putting the allegation, not a conviction out there, he becomes unemployable. If you have to disclose allegations, how do you get hired? I
 
cicero grimes said:
That is what I am saying. By putting the allegation, not a conviction out there, he becomes unemployable. If you have to disclose allegations, how do you get hired? I
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sorry.. I dont view him as a 'victim'
 
cicero grimes said:
I don't disagree with that. If political pressure was brought to bear those exerting the pressure should also be brought to justice. But it also puts us on the horns of the dilemma. The guy was investigated twice and no charges brought forward. In today's environment if that was disclosed, would he ever be interviewed despite not having been charged?
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If I have the time line right, this happened before the decision was made not to file charges. I consider that different, and far worse, than not disclosing after the decision not to file charges has been made.
 
Basically the headline in reality is
"Rutgers Official took phone call from Governor's Office"
That's it. End of story.

Plenty of folks in the public sector and private try to help connected associates into new gigs.
This guy was tainted and they tried to unload him on us. Dirty pool, not cool.

Disappointed in alum Cammarano's role in this

This says much more about the the folks making the call than those that picked up the phone.

Now what does it say about Reporter Ted? Sure they got the current Governor by the short hairs on this topic. Oh, wait who else can we smear with this? Consulting the Star Ledger editorial guide he sees "Any chance to make RU look bad - Run It!"
 
cicero grimes said:
Sexual assault must be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The cover up is also despicable. However, if I recall correctly two separate prosecutors offices declined to bring charges against this guy. Should he never be allowed to work again?

As a law student i volunteered at a women's shelter and helped abused women get restraining orders. I understand the serious physical and emotional impact victims of assault endure. I also was a criminal defense attorney in my younger years. Sometimes the "truth" is not always what it seems on the surface.

The apparent new standard of conviction by allegation with a lifetime sentence of societal banishment by social media troubles me. In the minds of many this guy is a convicted sexual predator when in fact he was never charged or afforded the opportunity to confront his accuser. We need to be sensitive to the accuser and fair to the accused. It does not appear sensitivity or fairness was present in this case.
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This should be the only comment on this whole thread. The rest of the posts are all emotionally charged and help nudge us further and further from the due-process society we once were.
Everyone breathe and try understand our system before ranting and raving .
 
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cicero grimes said:
Sexual assault must be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The cover up is also despicable. However, if I recall correctly two separate prosecutors offices declined to bring charges against this guy. Should he never be allowed to work again?

As a law student i volunteered at a women's shelter and helped abused women get restraining orders. I understand the serious physical and emotional impact victims of assault endure. I also was a criminal defense attorney in my younger years. Sometimes the "truth" is not always what it seems on the surface.

The apparent new standard of conviction by allegation with a lifetime sentence of societal banishment by social media troubles me. In the minds of many this guy is a convicted sexual predator when in fact he was never charged or afforded the opportunity to confront his accuser. We need to be sensitive to the accuser and fair to the accused. It does not appear sensitivity or fairness was present in this case.
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Great point . I didn’t even follow the story . But heard the name. Figured he was accused of rape, or sexual harassment or assault . I gusss he is not
 
cicero grimes said:
Sexual assault must be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The cover up is also despicable. However, if I recall correctly two separate prosecutors offices declined to bring charges against this guy. Should he never be allowed to work again?

As a law student i volunteered at a women's shelter and helped abused women get restraining orders. I understand the serious physical and emotional impact victims of assault endure. I also was a criminal defense attorney in my younger years. Sometimes the "truth" is not always what it seems on the surface.

The apparent new standard of conviction by allegation with a lifetime sentence of societal banishment by social media troubles me. In the minds of many this guy is a convicted sexual predator when in fact he was never charged or afforded the opportunity to confront his accuser. We need to be sensitive to the accuser and fair to the accused. It does not appear sensitivity or fairness was present in this case.
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I agree with a lot of what you say but one thing stands out as way off - that he was not given the opportunity to confront his accuser. He could have gone to the WSJ or Star Ledger and could have testified in the hearings like she did. He can offer to take a lie detector test with the NJSP. He can initiate a defamation lawsuit. He has chosen to remain silent.
 
Regressives destroy everything they touch. Just look what they “accomplished” over in NYC with Amazon. Thank God I’m outta the NE with all those loony tunes and the dumb ass voters that empower them. I carry my gun in my car down here. Totally legal.
 
cicero grimes said:
Can he? With the allegation against him, who will hire him in this environment.
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Apparently you think Rutgers should do him a solid, eh?

The timing of this is that Murphy wanted him to "go away".. out of his staff.. before the whole rape thing really got going.

So why doesn't Murphy just keep him? He hired him in the first place. And, as you suggest, he wasn't charged. Just keep him employed on Murphy's staff.
 
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