Scarlet Program: Disarray, Dysfunction, and Dismal Pride at Rutgers.
Thought this was a fair, objective view.
Thought this was a fair, objective view.
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Interesting note about non alums who have taken up interest in RU since the GS era. The negative news and general lack of excitement in the Flood era may start taking effect. I think many forget how much of a non story RU fball was as whole before GS. To see all that progress ripped down so quickly--when a stocked cupboard and a B10 invite was given!!, is tough to see.
And as much as some may say it was all not that big a deal how can anyone argue with this quote from the article:
they get back the coach who’s not only dumb enough to put evidence of his attempts to influence an instructor to change a player’s grade in writing, he’s dumb enough to use his non-university email account for it, hoping to avoid scrutiny, and then point out that that’s exactly what he’s doing.
And as much as some may say it was all not that big a deal how can anyone argue with this quote from the article:
they get back the coach who’s not only dumb enough to put evidence of his attempts to influence an instructor to change a player’s grade in writing, he’s dumb enough to use his non-university email account for it, hoping to avoid scrutiny, and then point out that that’s exactly what he’s doing.
Yet SOME - very few, mind you - still think THIS is the guy to "lead" our program (and I'm not talking about those who simply bring up $$$) into the future.
This is pure SPECULATION, but I wonder if HCKF was smitten with the dance instructor? What other logical explanation can there be for leaving your brains at the door?!? Seriously, I just find it hard to believe that anyone with half a brain would do what he did and how he did it.
The real question is how the hell is the current state of affairs at RU worthy of front page ESPN news? I think we have gotten more press coverage than TTFP during the height of the Paternk scandal.
Stop acting like the cupboard is bare. We have built a solid fanbase these last 10 years. Whoever the next coach will be will have the backing of a quality fan base, and quality facilities.
The question is whether the next coach will have the backing of a quality administration.
What, exactly, does this have to do with anything? Schiano gets criticized for things ENTIRELY DIFFERENT than things Flood gets criticized for, and the latter are more egregious. But they have zero to do with each other.
Bottom line: A FRESH start is needed. Totally, completely fresh.
This article is spot on.
Too bad some on this board won't read it, or at least tell us how Priya and Shawn are secret plants by the NJ media, here to take our own version of Nick Saban down at the behest of James Franklin....
Too bad some on this board won't read it, or at least tell us how Priya and Shawn are secret plants by the NJ media, here to take our own version of Nick Saban down at the behest of James Franklin....
Who is the imaginary phantom that you keep talking to/about. There are like two posters that defend Flood. You just sound like an angry, whiny #@!@$. Cool down for your own sake.
Look at the other threads, there are more than 2 and right now is a thread on how recruiting sucks because of the media, how the media is making it up, should talk about UGA, should talk about Mizzou....etc
Unless every poster on this board lambasted Flood for every conceivable thing that is wrong with the football program he will keep it up. As I pointed out before in another thread, I can't get enough. Just fascinating.
In terms of the article, it was fair. What gets me however is the Pro Fan mentality in this area. Pria and Shawn want a new coach but no mention of how it will be paid for. RU is a public institution. One that is not super funded by even it's own state....not the deep pocket Yankees.
It is not their job. And you are wrong, considering that if Dan Mullen was going to come here and GS was among the best paid, we can afford a MAC coach.
If you have an incompetent employee, you don't keep them to not pay the next guy. Next excuse, we're ready.
If you have an incompetent employee, you don't keep them to not pay the next guy. Next excuse, we're ready.
Yes, but "the media going after Rutgers" and "Flood is a good coach" are not the same storyline. You do realize that, right?
As someone who at one time had been won over by Flood, I can't say that anything's really off the mark in that article. -And they also bring up a point that I believe is pivotal; that prior to the attempted grade change issue, one of KF's main selling points to recruits was that RU builds character in young men. That selling point has now been forfeited by Flood's knowingly trying to circumvent university policy, and you can't "unring a bell", as the saying goes.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Flood, the person, is what most say he is; a good guy and a good family man. But by his own inept decisions/actions, (and honestly, there's really not a kinder way to put that), he's shown he's his own worst enemy as a HC, and unfortunately, you can't protect people from themselves.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure Flood, the person, is what most say he is; a good guy and a good family man. But by his own inept decisions/actions, (and honestly, there's really not a kinder way to put that), he's shown he's his own worst enemy as a HC, and unfortunately, you can't protect people from themselves.
Not a Flood fan, but do you really think recruits give a sh#t about Flood talking to the professor on behalf of a player? Pretty big non-factor for recruits, more worrisome is the fact that he blows at coaching. Heck, why wouldn't you want a coach that ignores official policy in favor of helping with your with classes.
Hey, that character line was Flood's spiel, not mine, and now even that's out the window. I do, however, now agree that Flood blows as a coach.
As for your other point, no, I'd rather not have a coach who ignores the rules. If you do, well, then we can simply look forward to more of the kind of bullshit we've had in the last month, 'cause eventually, at RU, somebody, somehow will find out and blow the whistle...and we'll have even more shit storms to "enjoy".
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blah--- she knew what she wanted to write before she even started and because the facts don't really support her - she generally ignores them.
I'm not talking about you, unless you're a 17/18-year-old high school recruit. Maybe they pay attention to the media blasting RU, but I doubt they consider the offense that horrible and doubt that they concern themselves with future PR sh#tstorms.
Now they might be concerned with Flood's lack of coaching prowess, but that was true before, too.
I'm of the opinion that anything that gives RU a black eye, even if only a minor one in the eyes of a recruit, can't be a positive by prospects or their parents.
Bad coaching is a big enough obstacle to overcome. We don't need anything above that to make recruiting, or holding a recruiting class together, any tougher.
But hey, everybody has a stance on what's going on, and yours is as valid as mine.
The amazing thing is that when the story first broke most fans, including those on this board who say that he blows, were defending Flood because SL made those original allegations.
It was actually a nice time of unity. Flood was our coach. He was our guy. There was hope for the upcoming season. He was bringing in a nice recruiting class. All was right with the world.
Those days are gone.
It was actually a nice time of unity. Flood was our coach. He was our guy. There was hope for the upcoming season. He was bringing in a nice recruiting class. All was right with the world.
Those days are gone.
You know, after I wrote my last response, I thought, "wtf do I really know about what recruits are motivated by." So yeah, your last point is spot on - we all have our opinions and speculation, especially on a bye week of what feels frightfully close to a bye season.
Totally agree, Fanu. All any of us are doing is throwing out opinions, pro or con. And you can be sure that what goes through the mind of a 16 or 17 year old, what he really bases his college choice on, is as much a mystery to me as it is to anybody.
And I definitely hear 'ya on the last part of your post, and what you pointed out definitely is enough to make anyone who wants the best for RU football feel a bit on the edgy side.
Your agenda is getting in the way of any ability to think in a rational manner.
This has nothing to do with a fan's "job" in relation to RU Athletics, but rather the relative lack of situational or contextual assessment. For example, you want to essentially Fire Flood immediately but seem to have little comment or understanding of what impacts (both positive and negative) that will have and how the replacement strategy will be funded and ensure program upgrades. Your rationale is simply that "it can't get any worse" and to simply plug and play a replacement MAC level coach.
No matter how much you rant, stomp your feet and point fingers on this issue it does not change the fact that RU's continual situation in athletics is mostly about the money or lack thereof. Mullen was not coming here because the money was not there for him & staff. Schiano or any other replacement will not come here unless a specific price is met.
The question you continually fail to answer is "where is the money coming from to pay the next guy?". Simply throwing good money after bad and hiring a MAC level guy who will make as much as Flood does not seem like a good plan for where we desire the program to grow to. Upgrading to Schiano or a higher profile or proven coach or coordinator will cost more money and that has to come from somewhere. It certainly is not coming from the likes of Pria or Shawn. And yet we have people like you who continue to stomp their feet, point their fingers at other fans and threaten to quit if change is not made....who have little or no vested stake in how that change will be funded/enabled.
I was until the stupidity and arrogance of Flood's actions came to light. Now I just want him gone. He was a mediocre to good coach and recruiter who won most of the games he should have and lost the games he should not have. We're as good right now as we ever will be under Flood, and couple that with the arrogance of his actions here, time to cut the cord.
Article is dead on. I've supported Flood all along. He had his chance. It's gone. First of all his poor recruiting is going to kill us for the next four years already. The only decent thing that's resulted from his tenure was the Fridge and now he's gone. He's showed himself to be unbelievably naive and at best uninformed about the right way to deal with academics. He's seems to be a decent guy and I hoped for the best with him but that's over. Last year's record was his high point in the Big Ten, with Schiano's best recruiting class. It's downhill from here. It's time to cut the losses.
Moving forward we need one of two things. One bring Schiano back. Two, if you don't like that one, then we have to make a move similar to the Schiano hire in 2000. We have to get a proven assistant from a WINNING program and start rebuilding this program before it gets too bad. There are just too many vultures waiting to pick at the corpse of this program from jealous academicians to spiteful local press to tolerate the status quo.
Buy out Flood at the end of the year and get this program back on track.
Moving forward we need one of two things. One bring Schiano back. Two, if you don't like that one, then we have to make a move similar to the Schiano hire in 2000. We have to get a proven assistant from a WINNING program and start rebuilding this program before it gets too bad. There are just too many vultures waiting to pick at the corpse of this program from jealous academicians to spiteful local press to tolerate the status quo.
Buy out Flood at the end of the year and get this program back on track.
Why is hiring a MAC coach good money after bad?
Is Jerry Kill bad? Was Urban Meyer bad at Utah? Was Saban bad at MSU? Is the NC State coach bad?
Florida hired the Colorado State coach, and is undefeated. But I guess Florida is not on our level...
You are making excuses. And even pretending what you say is true, and it isn't, considering the fact that GS and CVS at various points ranked among the highest paid coaches in America in their sports.
Dino Babers is one win away for tying Flood in B1G wins...he makes $400,000....Pete Lembo makes 475k...how much does the Fordham coach make...he beat Temple the year we needed a last second TD to beat them at home...
I could go on here...and also none of them committed academic fraud or have 7 arrests....so even if they compile the same garbage record as Flood, we'll be in the same place without the scandal....
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