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Approximately midnight on the day some new major news breaks and the front page story on BWI (I know, I shouldn't have gone there) has a title of "News reminds of ever-present hurdles" and the caption reads "news reports offer the latest reminder of Penn State's ongoing challenges." The article rehashes the 2-3 week old story of all of Franklin's struggles with negative recruiting.

It's still just about football. THAT is why the universe continues to be disgusted at the response from many PSU fans.
 
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ClassOf02 said:
Approximately midnight on the day some new major news breaks and the front page story on BWI (I know, I shouldn't have gone there) has a title of "News reminds of ever-present hurdles" and the caption reads "news reports offer the latest reminder of Penn State's ongoing challenges." The article rehashes the 2-3 week old story of all of Franklin's struggles with negative recruiting.

It's still just about football. THAT is why the universe continues to be disgusted at the response from many PSU fans.
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What were you expecting OP. Should BWI of posted, "Newest allegations claim Paterno covered up pedophilia for 40 years."

They are running a business. Maybe they did, but did Rutgers have "After hoodwinking fans that recruiting didn't matter, Flood strong armed professors to further embarrass fans" as their headline?
 
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kjb32812 said:
What were you expecting OP. Should BWI of posted, "Newest allegations claim Paterno covered up pedophilia for 40 years."

They are running a business. Maybe they did, but did Rutgers have "After hoodwinking fans that recruiting didn't matter, Flood strong armed professors to further embarrass fans" as their headline?
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Right, it’s all about business. Child rape doesn’t matter and the feelings of the victims don’t matter. When the news broke about Flood talking to a professor, the media trashed him. And there were plenty of fans voicing their disgust. Here in the real world, we can have our own opinion. We are free to defend who we choose. In Ped State land, you must defend Paterno or keep silent. And yes, the headline should have stated “Paterno’s cover up goes back 40 years”.
 
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Right, it’s all about business. Child rape doesn’t matter and the feelings of the victims don’t matter. When the news broke about Flood talking to a professor, the media trashed him. And there were plenty of fans voicing their disgust. Here in the real world, we can have our own opinion. We are free to defend who we choose. In Ped State land, you must defend Paterno or keep silent. And yes, the headline should have stated “Paterno’s cover up goes back 40 years”.
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There were also plenty of fans who didn't trash him.

Sorry, but I can't agree with you. Doubtful that the Rutgers headlines were anywhere near what I stated in my original post. In addition, I'm doubtful they reported, "Flood sucks at recruiting, continues to focus on diamonds in the rough." Though most likely true, bad business.

Now, let me go check and see if the Rutgers headline reads, "Legendary Rutgers coach revered by many helped cover up child rape for 30 years."

Before you say hearsay, that's the same argument Paterno supporters use.
 
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Kbee3 said:
"What were you expecting OP. Should BWI of posted, "Newest allegations claim Paterno covered up pedophilia for 40 years."

Well.... yeah.
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Take a look at your own front page. No mention of that pedophile enabler Schiano who kept this under wraps for 30 years.
 
There are two threads going on right now with most people bashing Schiano. We're allowed to do that if we want.
 
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What kinda megalomaniac names a message board after himself anyway? If you guys are truly embarrassed by the cult festering on your free board, do something about it.
 
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kjb32812 said:
Take a look at your own front page. No mention of that pedophile enabler Schiano who kept this under wraps for 30 years.
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Umm he worked at PSU when this happened BTW why would it matter to us, unless someone here knew about it. But the front page says he saw this happen on your campus so its all yours dude. He was hired here years after this happened also, maybe Miami and the Bears, and Tampa should have it on their headlines too?
 
Kjb- you are picking the wrong fight. First- at the time Schiano was coaching at Miami, Rutgers, Tampa and when hired at OSU, no one knew of his involvement. From this point forward, he either has to prove otherwise or anyone that hires him has to answer the questions that will come. Next- as stated, plenty of people on this board are openly criticizing the man. And back to the first- this has nothing to do with Rutgers.
And thank god that many did not get their way and have him back here as the HC. For once, we dodged a bullet
 
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So what is more troubling?

1. That OP came on at midnight to post this?
2. That PSU stalker was on it within the hour?
3. Or I chose this thread to read at 5:25am before my morning dump ((you may recall I started a surfing/texting/dumping thread that was well received here last year).

One positive is our mods allow PSU posters to engage in these conversations, over there the cult has you banned immediately, their patrol their threads likes ants a picnic.
 
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There were also plenty of fans who didn't trash him.

Sorry, but I can't agree with you. Doubtful that the Rutgers headlines were anywhere near what I stated in my original post. In addition, I'm doubtful they reported, "Flood sucks at recruiting, continues to focus on diamonds in the rough." Though most likely true, bad business.

Now, let me go check and see if the Rutgers headline reads, "Legendary Rutgers coach revered by many helped cover up child rape for 30 years."

Before you say hearsay, that's the same argument Paterno supporters use.
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I wish our papers had all of those headlines.
 
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I think Urban Meyer and Mora at UCLA will take the word of men who have had impeccable reputations for 4 decades over the word of McQueary, a known drinker,gambler, later self reported sexual abuse victim, who's wife and daughter moved as far away from as possible.

Is it possible both Bradley and Schiano are lying ? Sure, I'd say about a 1 per cent chance.
 
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Schiano response:

"I never saw any abuse, nor had reason to suspect any abuse, during my time at Penn State," Schiano, a onetime head coach at Rutgers University and in the NFL, who now serves as defensive coordinator for Ohio State, tweeted Tuesday afternoon.
 
RU1977 said:
Schiano response:

"I never saw any abuse, nor had reason to suspect any abuse, during my time at Penn State," Schiano, a onetime head coach at Rutgers University and in the NFL, who now serves as defensive coordinator for Ohio State, tweeted Tuesday afternoon.
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He should have stopped at "I never saw any abuse". Nobody believes every coach didn't hear rumors.
 
vkj91 said:
He should have stopped at "I never saw any abuse". Nobody believes every coach didn't hear rumors.
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I think Schiano was only speaking for himself. I guess it's up to you to believe him or not.
 
Abro1975 said:
I think Urban Meyer and Mora at UCLA will take the word of men who have had impeccable reputations for 4 decades over the word of McQueary, a known drinker,gambler, later self reported sexual abuse victim, who's wife and daughter moved as far away from as possible.

Is it possible both Bradley and Schiano are lying ? Sure, I'd say about a 1 per cent chance.
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Those things make McQueary even more credible to me. He had nothing to gain from the things he said. And in fact he had a lot to lose. And he did lose a lot.
 
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Scarlet Engineer said:
Those things make McQueary even more credible to me. He had nothing to gain from the things he said. And in fact he had a lot to lose. And he did lose a lot.
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Nothing to gain? He is trying to gain millions in a whistleblower case. What is he blowing the whistle on? He allegedly saw Sandusky doing something in the shower but left, talked to his dad and others, then reported it to Paterno the next day! What kind of man leaves a child in that position? McQueary's testimony has been all over the map! He is either a total coward for leaving that kid or a total liar, because there have been several versions of his story. I guess he could be both. Schiano and Bradley have said that saw and knew nothing! Why are they not credible?
 
Standard issue for all football coaches at Ped.State during the Paterno years.
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When asked of his knowledge of abuse when the story first broke years ago, Schiano ducked the question.
 
kjb32812 said:
What were you expecting OP. Should BWI of posted, "Newest allegations claim Paterno covered up pedophilia for 40 years."

They are running a business. Maybe they did, but did Rutgers have "After hoodwinking fans that recruiting didn't matter, Flood strong armed professors to further embarrass fans" as their headline?
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I'd buy the "running a business" angle if the content just stuck to regular off-season recruiting news or other tidbits that people usually come to Rivals for. I'm even fine with talking about the Paterno information as it relates to the recruiting circuit, but the timing of that article/headline was, shall we say, poorly chosen in my opinion. To rehash 3 week old Franklin quotes on that specific day seems to reinforce the perception people outside PSU have that the university is football first, victims somewhere down the list.
 
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People never seem to learn that coverups just make it all worse. Look at the numbers of lives negatively affected because way back when the first episode was brought to Paterno and he had the choice between doing what was right and protecting the brand. his first bad choice put all this in motion. what a shame.
 
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and I do not.
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I do not either. To look at this a different way. Some are asking why Bradley would even have this conversation with a low assistant...good question but if it was made up- naming Schiano just seems like a very random act when it would suit his purposes better to have falsely implicated someone higher up the chain the Schiano at the time.
Quite honestly, it went on for so long and these are "kids" in the showers not young men. I actually find it a little strange that these young kids would be using the showers in the first place.
 
Dpgru said:
People never seem to learn that coverups just make it all worse. Look at the numbers of lives negatively affected because way back when the first episode was brought to Paterno and he had the choice between doing what was right and protecting the brand. his first bad choice put all this in motion. what a shame.
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But there isn't much logic to the coverup. It's completely inconsistent with Paterno's actions in other facets of his life. Now people are saying he was protecting the brand in 1976. Why? Sandusky had been the LB coach for a few years. He had to be the DC? A kid claims he was on the phone with a guy named Joe and his voice sounded like Paterno? There wasn't enough media coverage in the 70's for a kid to know he was talking to Joe Paterno. A 14 year old has a finger put on his rectum with others in showers and seeks out Joe Paterno to report it, but no one else. Sounds realistic.
 
Seriously why are they still allowed to play football? If you have a program that seemingly ignored if not completely covered up and/or enabled the abuse of dozens upon dozens of children for 40 freaking years because they found football more important, how is that not reason enough to say "yeah, you don't deserve to play anymore." It blows my mind. This obviously went beyond the program. The AD and school officials knew too. If they won't shut down a program over this then you can get away with anything.

The only consolation will be watching us beat those creeps by 30 in the one thing they apparently value more than life itself. I hope Harbaugh throws it deep well into the 4th quarter up 45-10.
 
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Yes, this is all a big conspiracy to tarnish the reputation of a man who has been dead over 4 years now because everyone is "out to get Penn State".
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Yes. A 14 year is assaulted in front of other campers, tells other adults but no one does anything. So the 14 year old thinks, " I'm going to tell Joe Paterno about this" and he finds him. Never tells his dad or mom. Never tells a friend or a coach, but tell Paterno. And no mention of the incident for 40 years. That's a conspiracy theory.
 
Abro1975 said:
I think Urban Meyer and Mora at UCLA will take the word of men who have had impeccable reputations for 4 decades over the word of McQueary, a known drinker,gambler, later self reported sexual abuse victim, who's wife and daughter moved as far away from as possible.

Is it possible both Bradley and Schiano are lying ? Sure, I'd say about a 1 per cent chance.
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Not flaming here and I believe you know my position on the whole mess but that is EXACTLY what the Paterno supporters say.

Let's be honest here. If Bradley and/or Schiano didn't refute what McQueary claims their careers would be over.

The part I don't get is this. If McQ did testify that, wouldn't the next logical step by one set of attorneys or the other be to then summon Bradley and Schiano? Media reports yesterday stated that McQ made one of the claims about Bradley in 2015 testimony. Sandusky was already in jail at that point so it would have been in regards to the insurance company vs. PSU. Why in the hell did one of them not then go get Bradley or Schiano to further their case? Odd that neither man told us to review their testimony. Have to believe it is because they never testified.
 
Have to agree with Kjb here ^^^ that post sounds exactly like the Paterno apologists claiming why "there's no proof he knew" etc ... That said, while Gary was at one point our coach he is not anymore, and if anyone has to judge his credibility and make a decision to fire him, its Urban and tOSU. Not our issue anymore.

From an ethical standpoint, I do believe you have to wait a little longer and see if more facts come out (remember Paterno wasn't fired immediately), but then if more evidence comes out against him with reasonable doubt against him, then he should be canned and banned from the football world as with the other PSU cover-up coaches.
 
Being the insurance company, if the other side didnt ask for Schiano/Bradley, why would they?
 
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Being the insurance company, if the other side didnt ask for Schiano/Bradley, why would they?
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They wouldn't. Why wouldn't PSU have them testify to try and refute what McQueary said? Wouldn't that seem like the next logical step for Penn State since McQueary's claims don't help their case?
 
wcicci said:
But there isn't much logic to the coverup. It's completely inconsistent with Paterno's actions in other facets of his life. Now people are saying he was protecting the brand in 1976. Why? Sandusky had been the LB coach for a few years. He had to be the DC? A kid claims he was on the phone with a guy named Joe and his voice sounded like Paterno? There wasn't enough media coverage in the 70's for a kid to know he was talking to Joe Paterno. A 14 year old has a finger put on his rectum with others in showers and seeks out Joe Paterno to report it, but no one else. Sounds realistic.
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It doesn't matter when the first time was. It may have been in '76, or '86, or '06, he still should have turned Sandusky over to theolice the very first time he was made aware. He chose not to do that. He chose to keep it quiet and, yes, he protected the brand. Get your head out of the sand.
 
These Ped enablers are like cockroaches all over this thread.

Of course the rational rest of the world doesn't believe their tin foil propeller hat explanations that defy the obvious reality:

JOE KNEW!!!!!

For four decades. He wasn't a man, 'cuz a man wouldn't do that.
 
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kjb32812 said:
What were you expecting OP. Should BWI of posted, "Newest allegations claim Paterno covered up pedophilia for 40 years."

They are running a business. Maybe they did, but did Rutgers have "After hoodwinking fans that recruiting didn't matter, Flood strong armed professors to further embarrass fans" as their headline?
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Ummmm... Media ripped Rutgers a new one when the Flood story broke. And many wantedmany wanted Flood gone between that, the kids who got arrested, and Floods incompetence.

Try again.
 
tico brown said:
Ummmm... Media ripped Rutgers a new one when the Flood story broke. And many wantedmany wanted Flood gone between that, the kids who got arrested, and Floods incompetence.

Try again.
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The media or this site? They aren't one in the same.

Of course the overall media would do that. It sells stuff on their behalf. This site? Not so much.

I'm not bashing this site but I am trying to address the OP as to why BWI wouldn't run a front page headline that would offend their members.
 
kjb32812 said:
The media or this site? They aren't one in the same.

Of course the overall media would do that. It sells stuff on their behalf. This site? Not so much.

I'm not bashing this site but I am trying to address the OP as to why BWI wouldn't run a front page headline that would offend their members.
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Yeah, the headline is not there, but there are some defections evident in the comments to the BWI article. Also, the usual true believers with the most extreme using some impressively convoluted arguments to convince no one that Sandusky is innocent. I was banned for not being a tin foil hat with a propeller kind of guy, but it is an interesting read to see one poster say "Well, looks like Joe enabled pedophilia..." and it is followed by 20 comments about Joe Ped's innocence.
 
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