I don't want Eddie Jordan to use this as ammunition when he does his annual yearend review with AD Hermann, but as of today, (#170) Rutgers is two notches above Buzz Williams' (#172) Va Tech in the Sagarin ratings, separated by (#171) UNC-Wilmington and with equal records (10-21). I was wrong and overestimated the effect of Buzz in Blacksburg. Somewhere former FDU player Seth Greenberg is smiling.
I overestimated Buzz Williams hire
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this is his first year at a program on the level of a Penn State. Its much easier to relax when you know you have a guy who can recruit and has been there before.
I am sure Texas-native Buzz is bitterly disappointed with this year's results. I assume Va Tech is a stopover for Curly as he awaits for the Texas Longhorns job to open. Buzz does know how to use JUCOs - good point. But this season is what it is and a part of his permanent resume.
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Washington Post blog - Why did Buzz leave?
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Washington Post blog - Why did Buzz leave?
I like their recruiting class. Four star forwards Chris Clarke and Kerry Blackshear and three star guard Justin Robinson.
And they're involved with 2016 four-star Joe Hampton, who decommitted from Penn State this week.
Buzz and Bruce Pearl will take their new teams to the NCAAs in two years.
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And they're involved with 2016 four-star Joe Hampton, who decommitted from Penn State this week.
Buzz and Bruce Pearl will take their new teams to the NCAAs in two years.
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kenpom has Va tech at 342nd in experience.....they are playing mostly frosh and rebuilding.
You get 0 for a frosh minute, 1 for a soph minute, 2 for junior.....they are a .91
You get 0 for a frosh minute, 1 for a soph minute, 2 for junior.....they are a .91
Jordan on the other hand just is finishing year two with the amazing talent Rice left ( except for those that left
Don't know if Eddie can get the job done, but amuses me to see excuses made for others and Jordan in a no excuse accepted
zone.
VT MBB was pretty good under Seth Greenberg (167-117) but after he left , the next 2 years under Johnson were poor ones.
So Williams didn't step into as big of a mess that Eddie Jordan did .
VT wasn't that good of a program, but was not that bad of one until Greenberg left after the 2011-12 (15-16) season.
His replacement ( James Johnson) had a 22-41 record for his two years, making the VT job not a cake walk, but far easier then taking over the dysfunctional program Rice left , with players bailing because they could transfer without sitting .
Jordan had to make due his first year and his second one might have been a bad one because of how Rice's recruits wern't developed properly and lacked the type discipline and teamwork that builds a winning team.
Can Eddie make RU a winning program, doesn't look so right now, but if another School's HC deserves a pass for his first year, maybe we should give Eddie a mulligan for his second ( because of the type of program RU was when he took over) and judge him on hios third like some seem to be willing to judge Williams on the way VT plays in Buzz's second season at the helm.
But it does help trusting Williams to make VT a winner based on his record, than trusting Eddie Jordan to make RU MBB a winner , based on the way RU has played the last two years with Eddie as HC..
Buzz must be really upset. The #1 Virginia prospect in 2015, Maryland transfer Seth Allen, Top 150 guard Justin Robinson, four-star Kerry Blackshear, and the Top 3 scorers are all returning - including two freshman: Justin Bibbs and Ahmed Hill.
We have more questions than answers entering next season - Year 3 - and Corey Sanders is the only recruit in the same league as Virginia Tech's class. Goode and Kejuan will be complimentary pieces, but we need more.
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We have more questions than answers entering next season - Year 3 - and Corey Sanders is the only recruit in the same league as Virginia Tech's class. Goode and Kejuan will be complimentary pieces, but we need more.
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Don't compare these coaches. Buzz went to the NCAAs a bunch of times. Eddie was an NBA lifer.
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Good point and Buzz was hired mainly to make VT a top 25 team, while Eddie was just as much damage control as coaching ability.
Also , just a guess, more of the name brand HCs and top assistants ready to move up would take the salary VT offered than what RU was willing to pay and how the VT program was supported compared to RU would be a factor.
Eddie might not be the answer, but Rutgers has so many problems, that coaches like Buzz Williams will give it a wide berth
with the lack of support they would receive from the administration and the expectations placed on them.
Also pay would play a major role in who RU would be able to hire.
Yes, but as of tomorrow the Mike Rice era is over. From here on out, it's time for Eddie to be judged on where the program is looking forward.
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FWIW, (#148) USC is 22 slots higher than Rutgers in the Sagarin ratings. I'll let Aggs pontificate on USC's recruiting accomplishments.
You're just a douche. What did you expect from Virginia Tech this year?! They have NOTHING to do with Rutgers situation - at all.
Seth never took the Hokies to the NCAAs. How many NCAAs does Buzz have again? You're going to judge him off a rebuilding year?
And what does Seth being from FDU have to do with anything? Are you just showing off that you know where he played? Seth is probably happy for Buzz - he's enjoying life at ESPN, I'm sure.
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KenPom Ratings
Overall
Virginia Tech #182
Rutgers #214
Offensive Efficiency
Virginia Tech #115
Rutgers #281
Defensive Efficiency
Rutgers #118
Virginia Tech #264
This is Eddie's second season and he has half a roster of "his guys"
Virginia Tech has a better recruiting class and a talented younger roster.
Buzz has a better resume than Eddie.
Great, Rutgers is two spots ahead of V-Tech in the Sagarins. In the 170s. That will go over well with the 2016 recruits.
I don't see how one thing has to do with another. Buzz is in his first year of a rebuild in the ACC and has major respect from grassroots coaches and the support from higher up the food chain. Buzz is set up for success and it helps that he's a good coach, too.
I'll send you $100 if Virginia Tech doesn't match our win total from 2014-15.
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Overall
Virginia Tech #182
Rutgers #214
Offensive Efficiency
Virginia Tech #115
Rutgers #281
Defensive Efficiency
Rutgers #118
Virginia Tech #264
This is Eddie's second season and he has half a roster of "his guys"
Virginia Tech has a better recruiting class and a talented younger roster.
Buzz has a better resume than Eddie.
Great, Rutgers is two spots ahead of V-Tech in the Sagarins. In the 170s. That will go over well with the 2016 recruits.
I don't see how one thing has to do with another. Buzz is in his first year of a rebuild in the ACC and has major respect from grassroots coaches and the support from higher up the food chain. Buzz is set up for success and it helps that he's a good coach, too.
I'll send you $100 if Virginia Tech doesn't match our win total from 2014-15.
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Aggs ... Stop with the name calling. It reflects poorly on you. You take yourself way too seriously. I had Buzz doing a whole lot better than he has. Let's face it, Va Tech has had a miserable year -- no one expected the Hokies to stink up things in Rutgers-fashion. Va Tech's prospects may be better, but this year has been awful. Yes I would swap coaches in a minute, but Buzz will move on in a second. He will not become the Frank Beamer of Va Tech hoops.
Only one person is underestimating buzz. And it appears no one expects anything out of our current staff. I'm not a fan, but many I thought were. If you think Eddie should get multiple years, you also should expect him to land decent recruits eventually.
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In a rebuild 10-19 aren't equal.
Crean at IU, Williams at Vtech, Majerus (RIP) at SLU, McCaffrey at IOWA all got young and rebuilt it the right way.
RU in Year 3 is starting over, still with the stench of the past. Jordan had a fork in the road and took the wrong path...hopefully he walks backyard and takes the right one.
Crean at IU, Williams at Vtech, Majerus (RIP) at SLU, McCaffrey at IOWA all got young and rebuilt it the right way.
RU in Year 3 is starting over, still with the stench of the past. Jordan had a fork in the road and took the wrong path...hopefully he walks backyard and takes the right one.
As long as Van Macon is on the staff, the stench will linger. It's ridiculous that Eddie kept him for Year 2. Who did he recruit in the class of '15? He's supposed to be the NYC guy. Not working out. Why maintain a link to Rice?
The comparisons to USC make me laugh.
Hiring Enfield from Florida Gulf Coast for a Pac12 program will prove to be as illogical as a BigEast football program hiring Terry Shea because he could coach in San Jose.
Hiring Enfield from Florida Gulf Coast for a Pac12 program will prove to be as illogical as a BigEast football program hiring Terry Shea because he could coach in San Jose.
What will it take to dump the "recruit locally" model. It has not worked for more than a generation. Do we need 50 years of failed recruiting? Let's pick a team -- maybe like Cincinnati/Dayton/Xavier/Northern Iowa-- and mimic their recruiting. Let's take advantage of Big Ten admission to recruit like a midwest team. Maybe ask ourselves how would Mick Cronin and Archie Miller and Chris Mack and Ben Jacobsen put together a roster. Where are they looking for players? Are there players at a school like Northern Iowa who would rather play for a team in the Big Ten? Etc, etc. Let's not go the "NYC AAU guy" route.
