"It's Just Business" --Recruiting

[Knight Shift]

Good article on Harbaugh and the dance Michigan fans have to do since they used to occupy the moral high ground and poked fun at Meyer and Saban.


http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...disappearing-michigan-commits?FTAG=YHF7e3228e

"Michigan State coach Mark Dantonio posted and then deleted this after Weaver decommitted from Michigan: "The righteous shall prevail ...." If nothing else, the Big Ten leads the country in moral high ground subtweets."

"The Big Ten and Michigan love to take the moral high ground. But the moral high ground doesn't win football games. Talented players do."

So, tell the recruit, "it was only business. I always liked him.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Ironic coming from Dantonio, who negative recruits with the best of 'em.

 

[PSUPALY]

yeah, Dantonio is sitting on his high-horse.....it's all BS

Harbaugh's is simply playing the game. I mean, I don't like it....cause he's stealing our recruits, but I wouldn't have much issue with it if I was a Michigan fan

regarding negative publicity.....as long as Michigan's kicking butt on the field, nobody's going to give a frog's fat a*s.

only way it'll backfire....he's starts losing. anybody think Michigan will start having mediocre seasons anytime soon?......ehhh, not me.

while people are whining about his tactics....he''ll be contending for Big Ten Championships and going to major bowl games and wiping out SEC opponents.

if the system doesn't change (early signing period would help).....why should Harbaugh's recruiting tactics?

he's a jerk, no doubt....but he's going to be a jerk that wins a lot of games

 

[Panthergrowl13]

I think it is business and you have to go with the flow.

Our board is reporting, Mr. "Dominate the State" Franklin has offered 4 Pitt recruits a Penn State offer.

They all turned him down.

It looks like Franklin has developed a hole in his recruiting bucket.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[R1950]

And there's the real problem. Most fans know that coaches like Meyer and Saban are not perfect/angels but the Michigan fan base and following were always some of the first ones to point fingers when something dubious popped up with a rival school - most notably OSU who's been curb stomping their A$$ for the last 15 years or so. Most self-righteous a-holes out there. Have you heard how their athletes receive the very best education out there - other schools are 2nd rate - even after the infamous statement by Harbaugh slamming the athlete/education relationship at the school. They were desperate and basically sold their souls to the devil.

 

[PSUPALY]

I think it is business and you have to go with the flow.

Our board is reporting, Mr. "Dominate the State" Franklin has offered 4 Pitt recruits a Penn State offer.

They all turned him down.

It looks like Franklin has developed a hole in his recruiting bucket.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

yeah, that has zero to do with Harbaugh's recruiting tactics.

Franklin isn't telling any of his recruits that all of sudden....they don't have a scholarship anymore.

 

[WhiteBus]

The recruiting thing is ugly but it is what it is. Kids commit and change their minds and coaches offer and pull scholarships.
Those screaming for a sense of morality against coaches I think go way overboard. I don't feel bad for most of these kids because in the end they will end up at a great university with a free education. I can't get worked up over that,

 

[Panthergrowl13]

He is doing nothing wrong.

He is just showing the hypocrisy of the current recruiting system.

If schools don't like it then they should approach the NCAA for rule changes.

Although it won't totally correct this problem, I would adopt for Football an "Early Signing Period"(similar to Basketball).

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[vkj91]

I'm sorry but I don't think all schools do it and you don't have to do it to win championships. I understand schools poaching commits and recruits changing their mind. I don't like it but I get it. However, that's a far cry from accepting a kids commitment and then pulling it two weeks before signing day knowing he hasn't spoken to any other schools. You think JH just decided last week the OL who had been committed for years sucked? You want to accept a commit in June and then tell the kid in Nov he didn't have the year they hoped and move on. I could live with that but it's bush league to do in late January.

 

[PSUPALY]

I'm sorry but I don't think all schools do it and you don't have to do it to win championships. I understand schools poaching commits and recruits changing their mind. I don't like it but I get it. However, that's a far cry from accepting a kids commitment and then pulling it two weeks before signing day knowing he hasn't spoken to any other schools. You think JH just decided last week the OL who had been committed for years sucked? You want to accept a commit in June and then tell the kid in Nov he didn't have the year they hoped and move on. I could live with that but it's bush league to do in late January.

of course it's bush league....agree with everything you said

however, it doesn't appear the parents of all the top recruits Harbaugh has in his class are telling their son's to commit somewhere else because apparently Harbaugh's not a nice guy.....based on recent recruits he screwed over.

i dunno...maybe the 2017 class will backfire on him.....I doubt it....especially after another successful season in 2016 and additional media coverage stroking Harbaugh/Michigan over & over again.

most (not all) of these stud recruits want to win....apparently Harbaugh does a lot of that. in addition, Michigan's a great school.

 

[WhiteBus]

I'm sorry but I don't think all schools do it and you don't have to do it to win championships. I understand schools poaching commits and recruits changing their mind. I don't like it but I get it. However, that's a far cry from accepting a kids commitment and then pulling it two weeks before signing day knowing he hasn't spoken to any other schools. You think JH just decided last week the OL who had been committed for years sucked? You want to accept a commit in June and then tell the kid in Nov he didn't have the year they hoped and move on. I could live with that but it's bush league to do in late January.

At the same time the kid can verbal and sign with another team on Signing Day.

Both sides know fully aware that nothing is final until signing day. So these kids should continue to talk to other schools, just like the schools are talking to other kids.

This is where Floods approach was way off base. Telling kids he would pull their ship if the went on other official visits.

 

[Cheesesteak Vegas]

Lots of coaches would love a swiss-cheese recruiting bucket filled with three 5-star kids and a number of 4-star prospects. Penn State's recruiting momentum has obviously slowed - that'll happen when you end the season on a losing streak - but this will still be a very good class.

 

[Panthergrowl13]

I'm sorry but I don't think all schools do it and you don't have to do it to win championships. I understand schools poaching commits and recruits changing their mind. I don't like it but I get it. However, that's a far cry from accepting a kids commitment and then pulling it two weeks before signing day knowing he hasn't spoken to any other schools. You think JH just decided last week the OL who had been committed for years sucked? You want to accept a commit in June and then tell the kid in Nov he didn't have the year they hoped and move on. I could live with that but it's bush league to do in late January.

Adopt an "Early Signing Period" in November. Then a recruit cannot decomit and a coach cannot pull a ship.

Works for me.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

 

[vkj91]

Adopt an "Early Signing Period" in November. Then a recruit cannot decomit and a coach cannot pull a ship.

Works for me.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

I'm a huge fan of early signing period but I would do it even earlier than you. I'd allow juniors to take up to 3 of their 5 visits starting second week of Feb their junior year. First signing day would be August going into senior year just prior to the start of football season. This way kids can visit, have the summer to decide, and still focus on their senior year.

 

[vkj91]

of course it's bush league....agree with everything you said

however, it doesn't appear the parents of all the top recruits Harbaugh has in his class are telling their son's to commit somewhere else because apparently Harbaugh's not a nice guy.....based on recent recruits he screwed over.

i dunno...maybe the 2017 class will backfire on him.....I doubt it....especially after another successful season in 2016 and additional media coverage stroking Harbaugh/Michigan over & over again.

most (not all) of these stud recruits want to win....apparently Harbaugh does a lot of that. in addition, Michigan's a great school.

agree

 

[vkj91]

Lots of coaches would love a swiss-cheese recruiting bucket filled with three 5-star kids and a number of 4-star prospects. Penn State's recruiting momentum has obviously slowed - that'll happen when you end the season on a losing streak - but this will still be a very good class.

can you PSU guys stop arguing with Pitt fans here? If you ignore them maybe they will leave as they have no place here anymore. The few PSU fans, minus that psycho mom, that are left are ok for the most part. Please don't start attracting Pitt fans to replace the trolls we got rid of.

 

[Nosoj]

Harbaugh isn't doing anything wrong as far as what he's doing, that's part of the business. It's how he's doing it that's rubbing people wrong. One of the Ohio State recruiting guru's Tweeted out the other day something like "ugly business doesn't have to be done in such an ugly way" and he's exactly right.

Also, this:

 

[RU2055]

Harbaugh isn't doing anything wrong as far as what he's doing, that's part of the business. It's how he's doing it that's rubbing people wrong. One of the Ohio State recruiting guru's Tweeted out the other day something like "ugly business doesn't have to be done in such an ugly way" and he's exactly right.

Also, this:

Correct.

You can get the job done or you can get the job done with dead bodies all over. He is doing the latter. Overall, it might not have an impact since Michigan recruits nationally. But for guys like Partridge, that NJ well is going to dry up pretty quickly.

 

[rucoe89]

I'm a huge fan of early signing period but I would do it even earlier than you. I'd allow juniors to take up to 3 of their 5 visits starting second week of Feb their junior year. First signing day would be August going into senior year just prior to the start of football season. This way kids can visit, have the summer to decide, and still focus on their senior year.

If you are going to have an early signing period you should have an out that nulls early signing if coach leaves or is dismissed. That would be fair to kids too .

 

[cicero grimes]

I thought there was an unwritten rule that B1G schools did not go after other B1G's commits. I think that went out the window with JH, JF and UM arriving on the scene.

 

[miker183]

What if they allowed an early signing period for a part of a recruiting class? With 25 being the max in a given year, 10 recruits would be about 40% of the class (if maxed out.)

This would keep kids from placeholding, and coaches would be more selective with the early (not commitable) offers. The early signees would be locked in to the school they want most and the coaches don't need to focus on "protecting" recruits that they already felt they got.

 

[MGSA99]

The recruuting game is as much building your own team up as it is bringing another team down. When teams were not limited to 85 schollies, they would take guys simply to keep them away from another team, knowing they would never see the field. Now, it is done by just sniping someone else's recruit at the last second.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

I would love it if the NCAA can lower the number of scholarships down to 80. There would be more parity in the football.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I would love it if the NCAA can lower the number of scholarships down to 80. There would be more parity in the football.

It will also cause more injuries with more players having to play more time, play hurt, etc.

 

[vkj91]

If you are going to have an early signing period you should have an out that nulls early signing if coach leaves or is dismissed. That would be fair to kids too .

Why? If you are 100% sure you want to go to school, so much so you commit in August than you live with changes. Kids will sign next week only to find their position coaches jump ship. There is no perfect solution but this would help. How about you let kids whose coaches get fired flip but they must RS their freshman year?

 

[Nosoj]

I thought there was an unwritten rule that B1G schools did not go after other B1G's commits. I think that went out the window with JH, JF and UM arriving on the scene.

I think this was overblown, if it existed. And if it existed, it was stupid. If a prospect is going to take your call, you call him.

The only exceptions would be like Ash's situation. In that case, don't call the commits of the program you left for the rest of that cycle. Come the day after signing day, full go for 2017.

 

[rucoe89]

Why? If you are 100% sure you want to go to school, so much so you commit in August than you live with changes. Kids will sign next week only to find their position coaches jump ship. There is no perfect solution but this would help. How about you let kids whose coaches get fired flip but they must RS their freshman year?

Disagree - a lot of kids go for the coaches and then the school. Rutgers is seeing that play out in its favor now with kids coming on board that only recently came to know of the school, but knew of the coaches or reps. Likewise, those that wanted to play for Flood and his system are going to places that fit what they thought they were signing up for at Rutgers.

 

[vkj91]

Disagree - a lot of kids go for the coaches and then the school. Rutgers is seeing that play out in its favor now with kids coming on board that only recently came to know of the school, but knew of the coaches or reps. Likewise, those that wanted to play for Flood and his system are going to places that fit what they thought they were signing up for at Rutgers.

Simple answer. If that's is a concern don't utilize early signing period.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

of course it's bush league....agree with everything you said

however, it doesn't appear the parents of all the top recruits Harbaugh has in his class are telling their son's to commit somewhere else because apparently Harbaugh's not a nice guy.....based on recent recruits he screwed over.

i dunno...maybe the 2017 class will backfire on him.....I doubt it....especially after another successful season in 2016 and additional media coverage stroking Harbaugh/Michigan over & over again.

most (not all) of these stud recruits want to win....apparently Harbaugh does a lot of that. in addition, Michigan's a great school.

of course it's bush league....agree with everything you said

however, it doesn't appear the parents of all the top recruits Harbaugh has in his class are telling their son's to commit somewhere else because apparently Harbaugh's not a nice guy.....based on recent recruits he screwed over.

i dunno...maybe the 2017 class will backfire on him.....I doubt it....especially after another successful season in 2016 and additional media coverage stroking Harbaugh/Michigan over & over again.

most (not all) of these stud recruits want to win....apparently Harbaugh does a lot of that. in addition, Michigan's a great school.

It will not backfire on him in the near term - because he is dealing with 17-18-19 year old kids who have been programmed to believe that they are the very best - and these kids are saturated with "Oh it won't happen to me" they all think that when a coach says 'you are my first choice' that the coach means it for all eternity ...and the coach will not drop them - and no words of caution from anyone will make that recruit think it could ever happen to them.
In the long term - something will dim the Harbaugh star - because nothing is forever.

 

[PSUPALY]

It will not backfire on him in the near term - because he is dealing with 17-18-19 year old kids who have been programmed to believe that they are the very best - and these kids are saturated with "Oh it won't happen to me" they all think that when a coach says 'you are my first choice' that the coach means it for all eternity ...and the coach will not drop them - and no words of caution from anyone will make that recruit think it could ever happen to them.
In the long term - something will dim the Harbaugh star - because nothing is forever.

hey man...I hope you're right

in the meantime....Harbaugh is the new Beast Mode

 

[wicker]

College is to teach lessons, and among them is that life isn't fair and sometimes you get screwed. Harbaugh's actions are hurtful but necessary.

There should be a policy where a student can sign a binding agreement once an offer is made