Just like the old Times

[JohnRU]

Never really were in the game...
Not competitive on either side of the ball..
Game over at the half.
Off the field embarrassment...

Unfortunately, This is the Rutgers football some of us diehards know all to well.

Really depressed at what the program has once again become.

 

[BOGDANOVICH]

Never really were in the game...
Not competitive on either side of the ball..
Game over at the half.
Off the field embarrassment...

Unfortunately, This is the Rutgers football some of us diehards know all to well.

Really depressed at what the program has once again become.

The Kyle Flood regime has destroyed everything that Greg Schiano accomplished. Everything.

We are back in the Pre-Schiano Dark Years.

 

[devoted2ru]

Can't really disagree with anything written in this thread. -At least before, if nothing else, KF was looked upon as being a shining example of someone who followed the rules to the letter. (No pun intended there.) ...Now even that's gone. You don't get suspended 3 games and fined 50K by being someone who always operates according to the book.

That said, I like KF as a person and believe he's a good man, and also believe that even a good man can make mistakes. -But I have to admit that as someone who grew up in New Brunswick and has followed the Knights since the age of 4, (which means a little over 52 years now), Rutgers football under Flood's coaching regime has reached the point where things feel as if we're taking a stroll down a pre-Schiano memory lane.

 

[madscientistRU09]

The Kyle Flood regime has destroyed everything that Greg Schiano accomplished. Everything.

We are back in the Pre-Schiano Dark Years.

But he is a nice guy, we are undefeated in that regard. Oh and APR too...

 

[rutgersdave]

Never really were in the game...
Not competitive on either side of the ball..
Game over at the half.
Off the field embarrassment...

Unfortunately, This is the Rutgers football some of us diehards know all to well.

Really depressed at what the program has once again become.

Glad I only became a Rutgers football fan in 2003 when Schiano brought us to greatness. I have slowly pushed away from the program since Flood has been coach. Amazing that it took so long for fans to see where Flood was taking the program. Just last year, 95% of the fans thought Flood was great and 70% thought he was better than Schiano.

 

[MozRU]

Take is easy on 95% RutgersDave. Football people like myself knew the guy was a hack of HC after getting slaughtered in the AAC after failing miserably the season before settling for a 5 way tie in final year of the BE.

It was painfully obvious that Flood pulled a Barry Switzer (Dallas Cowboys), winning with GS's program and couldn't hold it together. Everything GS built and instilled is GONE.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

Nope, Graber wasn't afraid to pull Fortay for Lucas and Shea wasn't afraid to pull Lucas for Higgins. Flood?

 

[mal359]

Please list all of Schiano's conference titles.

 

[rutgersdave]

Please list all of Schiano's conference titles.

Who care you idiot? if Flood is coach for the next few years, 3-5 wins is the norm. Even if we get a good coach next, 6-8 wins is a great year. We have automatically 3-5 loses in the Big Ten because we got worse and the Big Ten got better especially with Michigan and Penn State loading up with recruits.

 

[mal359]

Who care you idiot? if Flood is coach for the next few years, 3-5 wins is the norm.

That was the norm under Schiano as well.

 

[madscientistRU09]

Please list all of Schiano's conference titles.

This is a silly argument, Greg Schiano played a very different Big East than Kyle Flood. Yea Kyle flood might have won a title, but it was a 5 way tie in a conference of 8 teams. It amounts to nothing more than a participation trophy. Does anyone really think that GS couldn't have done the same as Flood or better the past 4 years?

 

[RU-05]

On the field there really hasn't been much change since Schiano left.

The reason Flood gets heat is off the field. Unfortuneatly the off the field stuff is now spilling onto the field in the form of player and coach suspensions.

 

[j10oreo]

Please list all of Schiano's conference titles.

What a fall from grace Rutgers experienced once GS took over, am I right?

 

[KJ_RU]

Please list all of Schiano's conference titles.

Can you imagine what would've happened if Flood took over the program that Schiano took over.

 

[TheRacRU]

Can you imagine what would've happened if Flood took over the program that Schiano took over.

The program would have been canceled by 2003.

 

[mal359]

So, can anyone please list all of Schiano's conference titles?

 

[dicemen99]

So, can anyone please list all of Schiano's conference titles?

No context at all. Not sure how old you are, but RU football pre-Schiano was well...

Yeah, there was the one win against a horrible PSU team in 1988, the pretty good records in the 70s (including an undefeated season) playing what amounted to an Ivy League schedule, but RU football was about as bad as it gets when Schiano took over. Worse program historically and in recent years than Temple (again, for those of you who have been following college football for a long time) In 5 years, Schiano took a program that had only been invited to ONE bowl in it's existence to bowls in 6 of his final 7 years - 5 of them victorious.

Not to mention building it in a squeaky clean manner and being the driving force behind RU's lofty position in APR and grad rates.

Guys on here who downgrade what Schiano did are really clueless. Yeah, he wasn't perfect, but the guy is literally THE hero in the context of RU football.

When you view what has transpired the last few weeks at RU, it is really disturbing. Can not understand anyone who continues to support Flood.

 

[Hondo77]

No context at all. Not sure how old you are, but RU football pre-Schiano was well...

Yeah, there was the one win against a horrible PSU team in 1988, the pretty good records in the 70s (including an undefeated season) playing what amounted to an Ivy League schedule, but RU football was about as bad as it gets when Schiano took over. Worse program historically and in recent years than Temple (again, for those of you who have been following college football for a long time) In 5 years, Schiano took a program that had only been invited to ONE bowl in it's existence to bowls in 6 of his final 7 years - 5 of them victorious.

Not to mention building it in a squeaky clean manner and being the driving force behind RU's lofty position in APR and grad rates.

Guys on here who downgrade what Schiano did are really clueless. Yeah, he wasn't perfect, but the guy is literally THE hero in the context of RU football.

We were invited to 2 bowls. We turned down the Independence Bowl in 1976.

 

[mal359]

Again. How many conference titles did Schiano win?

We say we want greatness, yet we also want a mediocre coach back. Which is it?

 

[dicemen99]

We were invited to 2 bowls. We turned down the Independence Bowl in 1976.

Stand corrected. The 1976 team was undefeated and finished 17th in the finals polls. But they were far from the 17th best team in the nation, besting Colgate 17-9 in the end of the season rivalry game. They also ran the slate in the Ivies and what would be come Patriot conference teams. This is a little context for the history of RU football.

 

[Hondo77]

Again. How many conference titles did Schiano win?

We say we want greatness, yet we also want a mediocre coach back. Which is it?

It's only my opinion, but I believe that had Schiano stayed we would've won the conference outright that year.

 

[Hondo77]

Stand corrected. The 1976 team was undefeated and finished 17th in the finals polls. But they were far from the 17th best team in the nation, besting Colgate 17-9 in the end of the season rivalry game. They also ran the slate in the Ivies and what would be come Patriot conference teams. This is a little context for the history of RU football.

There were also many less bowl games in those days.

 

[dicemen99]

Again. How many conference titles did Schiano win?

We say we want greatness, yet we also want a mediocre coach back. Which is it?

I don't know if it would be a good idea if Schiano came back and am not championing it, but to call Schiano a mediocre coach here is F'ING RIDICULOUS. CLUELESS. Again, NO CONTEXT.

Guy made it to the NFL - how many college coaches accomplish this? His tenure at RU was so much more successful than any previous HC it's ludicrous.

No - he's not Vince Lombardi. But to call what he did at RU "mediocre" is clueless. There are not many coaches that could have accomplished what he did at RU on and off the field.

 

[mal359]

I don't know if it would be a good idea if Schiano came back and am not championing it, but to call Schiano a mediocre coach here is F'ING RIDICULOUS. CLUELESS. Again, NO CONTEXT.

Guy made it to the NFL - how many college coaches accomplish this? His tenure at RU was so much more successful than any previous HC it's ludicrous.

No - he's not Vince Lombardi. But to call what he did at RU "mediocre" is clueless. There are not many coaches that could have accomplished what he did at RU on and off the field.

Made it to the NFL. Sure did. Tell me, how did that go?

 

[saran]

Again. How many conference titles did Schiano win?

We say we want greatness, yet we also want a mediocre coach back. Which is it?

No BE titles but he won things even title winning coaches didn't. Greg ran crappy offense but he wasn't a mediocre coach overall.

2006 Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year
2006 Walter Camp Coach of the Year
2006 Home Depot Coach of the Year
2006 Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year
2006 Big East Coach of the Year

 

[mal359]

No BE titles but he won things even title winning coaches didn't. Greg ran crappy offense but he wasn't a mediocre coach overall.

2006 Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year
2006 Walter Camp Coach of the Year
2006 Home Depot Coach of the Year
2006 Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year
2006 Big East Coach of the Year

That was one year where he won a few irrelevant awards. What about 2001-2005, 2008-2011?

 

[dicemen99]

Made it to the NFL. Sure did. Tell me, how did that go?

Yeah, good point. The amount of college coaches that become a HC in the NFL is a pretty high percentage. They give those jobs to pretty much any college schmoe.

 

[dicemen99]

That was one year where he won a few irrelevant awards. What about 2001-2005, 2008-2011?

At this point I can only think that you're having some fun with this. If so, nice job.

 

[mal359]

At this point I can only think that you're having some fun with this. If so, nice job.

I'll admit this is kind of fun.

68-67

Losses against Fresno State, Tulane, UNH, all at home.

Never beat WVU or won a gutted Big East.

Lombardi reincarnate.

 

[Kbee3]

Made it to the NFL. Sure did. Tell me, how did that go?

Yeah, I could never figure out why the NFL didn't come calling when the other big time RU head coaches were available. No NFL club wanted Anderson, Graber, or Shea to lead their club ?
And I'm sure they'll be all lining up when Flood makes his services available.
Truly, those who are Rutgers fans and downplay what GS accomplished here are absolutely clueless.

 

[brgossRU90]

Coaching SNAFU and public embarrassment? Check.
Problems with players off the field? Check.
Bad play on the field? Check.
Crippled offense and struggling qb? Check.
Chaos on the defense? Check.
Excuses for Flood? Check.
Calls to bring back Schiano? Check.
Yup, it's September in the Flood era.

 

[madscientistRU09]

Don't feed the troll...

No one with a brain can honestly say Schiano was a failure. He took over the worst program in college football history and made it respectable enough for the BIG10 to invite us.

Comparing Flood to schiano is ridiculous, Schiano built the program from scratch. He also played a much different Big East, the Big East was a respectable conference (even for some years after Miami/V-Tech left) until the second round of expansion shred the conference apart.

Flood inherited a stocked house (he had our best recruiting class ever) and burned it to the ground. People who brag about his "Big East Title" are a joke, I bet you hang up your 4th grade field day participation Ribbon too. Literally, half the conference won the title that year. His coaching was sub-par and his off the field problems NEVER happened or would have happened under Schiano. Our selling point was always we were a clean program with good kids and a place where they can get a solid education, and well that is gone.

It took Schiano a decade to make Rutgers respectable, and it took flood 3 years to destroy it all.

 

[MidwestKnights]

The Kyle Flood regime has destroyed everything that Greg Schiano accomplished. Everything.

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This what is really sad and worrisome.

 

[brgossRU90]

Flood has not destroyed our membership in the big ten (yet) so it's not fair to say he destroyed everything schiano built.