Dean Smith, Larry Brown, and Roy Williams. A storied tradition of "cheating" at its finest. But, hey, they are winners. Champions, even. . . .
Kansas Traditions. . .
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6 Major Infractions:
On of basketball's all time greatest programs is also one of basketball's cheatingest programs. The Jayhawks have spent 11 years on probation, and have spent 4 years banned from television. Starting in 1957 with illegal recruiting inducements and transportation, then 1960 with extra benefits, Kansas is no stranger to the NCAA. The biggest case occurred in 1988, and they made that shit count. This is the longest list of infractions in one incident I've seen so far,
seen so far,
Violation Sumary: IMPERMISSIBLE RECRUITING: airline ticket provided by athletics representative; local automobile transportation provided by coaches; loan, local automobile transportation and clothing provided by athletics representatives; payment for work not performed; head coach provided cash for an airline ticket; lodging on a credit basis; basketball shoes; impermissible involvement of an athletics representative in off-campus recruiting; meals; assistance in purchasing an airline ticket; entertainment during official visit more than 30 miles from campus. ERRONEOUS CERTIFICATION OF COMPLIANCE. LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL. REPEAT VIOLATOR.
Damn, there you go KU, get that shit done son. Now we're getting somewhere. But I know we have better to come. If we fast forward to 2006 the Jayhawks made a hell of a run at topping the '88 list of violations, but fell just short. In 06 Kansas had a bit of an academic fraud problem in the football team, and they also managed to get in trouble recruiting basketball as well. Reach for the stars Kansas. They gave some recruits brother football and movie tickets, flew another recruit 1000 miles round trip to watch KU compete in the NCAA tournament (where I assume he realized they choke and chose another school) and gave two other recruits cash and clothing (does anyone really wonder why KU cleans up on the recruiting trail?). Oh, almost forgot, they also paid a recruits AAU coach $4500 (AAU really is the worst thing ever). Now, on to the football team. Fatgino was still the coach, and knowing him endorsed all cheating efforts (but not as much as he endorsed little Debbie). Basically what happened was a GA gave to JUCO players answers to a test to help get them eligible to attend the illustrious University of Kansas. All of these things resulted in 3 years probation, reduction in basketball scholarships over 3 years, reduction in off campus visits, as well as the graduate assistant getting a sweet show cause penalty. Did I forget anything? Yes, a booster also received a 4 year ban from association with the university. Now, while the athletic department avoided punishment from the NCAA I have to mention that ticket scandal that resulted in major jail time for several involved that wrapped up this year. Cheat on Jayhawks, cheat on.
On of basketball's all time greatest programs is also one of basketball's cheatingest programs. The Jayhawks have spent 11 years on probation, and have spent 4 years banned from television. Starting in 1957 with illegal recruiting inducements and transportation, then 1960 with extra benefits, Kansas is no stranger to the NCAA. The biggest case occurred in 1988, and they made that shit count. This is the longest list of infractions in one incident I've seen so far,
seen so far,
Violation Sumary: IMPERMISSIBLE RECRUITING: airline ticket provided by athletics representative; local automobile transportation provided by coaches; loan, local automobile transportation and clothing provided by athletics representatives; payment for work not performed; head coach provided cash for an airline ticket; lodging on a credit basis; basketball shoes; impermissible involvement of an athletics representative in off-campus recruiting; meals; assistance in purchasing an airline ticket; entertainment during official visit more than 30 miles from campus. ERRONEOUS CERTIFICATION OF COMPLIANCE. LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL. REPEAT VIOLATOR.
Damn, there you go KU, get that shit done son. Now we're getting somewhere. But I know we have better to come. If we fast forward to 2006 the Jayhawks made a hell of a run at topping the '88 list of violations, but fell just short. In 06 Kansas had a bit of an academic fraud problem in the football team, and they also managed to get in trouble recruiting basketball as well. Reach for the stars Kansas. They gave some recruits brother football and movie tickets, flew another recruit 1000 miles round trip to watch KU compete in the NCAA tournament (where I assume he realized they choke and chose another school) and gave two other recruits cash and clothing (does anyone really wonder why KU cleans up on the recruiting trail?). Oh, almost forgot, they also paid a recruits AAU coach $4500 (AAU really is the worst thing ever). Now, on to the football team. Fatgino was still the coach, and knowing him endorsed all cheating efforts (but not as much as he endorsed little Debbie). Basically what happened was a GA gave to JUCO players answers to a test to help get them eligible to attend the illustrious University of Kansas. All of these things resulted in 3 years probation, reduction in basketball scholarships over 3 years, reduction in off campus visits, as well as the graduate assistant getting a sweet show cause penalty. Did I forget anything? Yes, a booster also received a 4 year ban from association with the university. Now, while the athletic department avoided punishment from the NCAA I have to mention that ticket scandal that resulted in major jail time for several involved that wrapped up this year. Cheat on Jayhawks, cheat on.
Sure nuf, Nuts. But FB at Kansas is like FB at UNC: it's a distant second to men's BB in terms of interest and support. Kansas BB has this synergistic history with UNC BB, with many common kingpins, as I've noted.
rock, chalk, jayhawk..........
funny thing is---- if you asked me, I couldn't have mentioned one infraction issue at KU -- but would have told you they are one of the GOAT bball programs.....
i guess- just win baby............
funny thing is---- if you asked me, I couldn't have mentioned one infraction issue at KU -- but would have told you they are one of the GOAT bball programs.....
i guess- just win baby............
I'm not a huge KU basketball fan because I'm pretty much a masochist, but those facts and misrepresentations are very deceiving. I'd like to know where you got all that BS about 2006. The only violation there was the academic fraud, which I'll deal with later.
Kansas has two very bitter rivalries with Missourah and KState. If you'll notice all three schools have a horrid record with the NCAA, whis headquarters were located 30 miles from campus in Overland Park, KS for decades. The three schools would file complaints with the NCAA on a weekly basis. Because the offices were so close, if was real easy for the corrupt organization to do what they weren't doing elsewhere.
I'll give an example of the pettiness. When Will Chamberlain was a Soph (Frosh didn't play) Dick Harp was working with him on dunking from the free throw line, because he couldn't shoot free throws worth a crap. This was a day before the K-State game in Lawrence. K-State had an assistant spying. He went straight from Allen Fieldhouse to Overland Park and got the rule made that didn't allow landing over the FT line BEFORE the game.
I'm not saying Kansas is clean, but things aren't always as they seem.
An example of NCAA pettiness, is the "violations" under Larry Brown.
Vincent Askew was a stud forward at Memphis State. He made the rounds at every big time program trying to get paid for his services (transfer). Bobby Knight kicked him off of campus for it. When it was clear KU wasn't going to give in to his demands, he told Larry Brown that his grandmother was dying and he needed airfare to go see her on her deathbed. Larry bought him a ticket and Askew turned around and got a refund at the KC airport, because it was a lie. Larry Brown self reported this incident and an incident where a former player who Larry told to transfer to McNeese St, came back and started buying players lunch and loaningbrhem money. KU was not able to defend the '88 championship as a result. The NCAA slapped the old, "lack of institutional control" on KU for self reporting two violations.
Like I said. KU is far from innocent. Wilt talked about it in his book, but if you want to call someone in basketball a bunch of "cheaters" look no further than Lexington, KY. They've cheated for decades and Cals connection to World Wide Wes, is just the icingbon the cake.
I could go line item on this pathetic post, but I won't because I'm at work and don't have time.
The thing about the booster is ridiculous. He was a family friend of a basketball player whos father passed away. He knew the family from before Jackson was born. Yes he did things for the kid when he was growing up and long before anyone knew he'd be a stud basketball player. That's why the only thing that happened in that incident was for the "booster" to be banned. Yoi can twist anything you want. 10 years from now I could twist Floods email into something appearingbto be much worse than it is and everyone would believe me because it'll be forgotten about.
People love to hate on KU. It's really quite amusing.
The test taking that happened with a handful of JUCO transfers was despicable. It should never have happened, but again it was reported to the NCAA from with the program, so its not like KU tried to get away with it once people found out and the assistant has never set foot on campus since that day.
If you want to get on KU for cheating than maybe you should bring up something relevant, like Joh Hadl trying to give Jeff Smith a briefcase full of cash if he committed to KU.
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losing on the road. They started this tradition in 2009
#33 - 11/29/14: Kansas State 51, Kansas 13
#32 - 11/22/14: Oklahoma 44, Kansas 7
#31 - 11/01/14: Baylor 60, Kansas 14
#30 - 10/18/14: Texas Tech 34, Kansas 21
#29 - 10/04/14: West Virginia 33, Kansas 14
#28 - 09/13/14: Duke 41, Kansas 3
#27 - 11/23/13: Iowa State 34, Kansas 0
#26 - 11/09/13: Oklahoma State 42, Kansas 6
#25 - 11/02/13: Texas 35, Kansas 13
#24 - 10/12/13: TCU 27, Kansas 17
#23 - 09/14/13: Rice 23, Kansas 14
#22 - 12/01/12: West Virginia 59, Kansas 10
#21 - 11/10/12: Texas Tech 41, Kansas 34
#20 - 11/03/12: Baylor 41, Kansas 14
#19 - 10/20/12: Oklahoma 52, Kansas 7
#18 - 10/06/12: Kansas State 56, Kansas 16
#17 - 09/22/12: Northern Illinois 30, Kansas 23
#16 - 11/26/11: Missouri 24, Kansas 10 (@ Arrowhead)
#15 - 11/19/11: Texas A&M 61, Kansas 7
#14 - 11/05/11: Iowa State 13, Kansas 10
#13 - 10/29/11: Texas 43, Kansas 0
#12 - 10/08/11: Oklahoma State 70, Kansas 28
#11 - 09/17/11: Georgia Tech 66, Kansas 24
#10 - 11/27/10: Missouri 35, Kansas 7 (@ Arrowhead)
#09 - 11/13/10: Nebraska 20, Kansas 3
#08 - 10/30/10: Iowa State 28, Kansas 16
#07 - 10/02/10: Baylor 55, Kansas 7
#06 - 09/17/10: Southern Mississippi 31, Kansas 16
#05 - 11/28/09: Missouri 41, Kansas 39 (@ Arrowhead)
#04 - 11/21/09: Texas 51, Kansas 20
#03 - 11/07/09: Kansas State 17, Kansas 10
#02 - 10/31/09: Texas Tech 42, Kansas 21
#01 - 10/17/09: Colorado 34, Kansas 30
#00 - 09/12/09: KANSAS 34, UTEP 7
Let's Go RU!
#33 - 11/29/14: Kansas State 51, Kansas 13
#32 - 11/22/14: Oklahoma 44, Kansas 7
#31 - 11/01/14: Baylor 60, Kansas 14
#30 - 10/18/14: Texas Tech 34, Kansas 21
#29 - 10/04/14: West Virginia 33, Kansas 14
#28 - 09/13/14: Duke 41, Kansas 3
#27 - 11/23/13: Iowa State 34, Kansas 0
#26 - 11/09/13: Oklahoma State 42, Kansas 6
#25 - 11/02/13: Texas 35, Kansas 13
#24 - 10/12/13: TCU 27, Kansas 17
#23 - 09/14/13: Rice 23, Kansas 14
#22 - 12/01/12: West Virginia 59, Kansas 10
#21 - 11/10/12: Texas Tech 41, Kansas 34
#20 - 11/03/12: Baylor 41, Kansas 14
#19 - 10/20/12: Oklahoma 52, Kansas 7
#18 - 10/06/12: Kansas State 56, Kansas 16
#17 - 09/22/12: Northern Illinois 30, Kansas 23
#16 - 11/26/11: Missouri 24, Kansas 10 (@ Arrowhead)
#15 - 11/19/11: Texas A&M 61, Kansas 7
#14 - 11/05/11: Iowa State 13, Kansas 10
#13 - 10/29/11: Texas 43, Kansas 0
#12 - 10/08/11: Oklahoma State 70, Kansas 28
#11 - 09/17/11: Georgia Tech 66, Kansas 24
#10 - 11/27/10: Missouri 35, Kansas 7 (@ Arrowhead)
#09 - 11/13/10: Nebraska 20, Kansas 3
#08 - 10/30/10: Iowa State 28, Kansas 16
#07 - 10/02/10: Baylor 55, Kansas 7
#06 - 09/17/10: Southern Mississippi 31, Kansas 16
#05 - 11/28/09: Missouri 41, Kansas 39 (@ Arrowhead)
#04 - 11/21/09: Texas 51, Kansas 20
#03 - 11/07/09: Kansas State 17, Kansas 10
#02 - 10/31/09: Texas Tech 42, Kansas 21
#01 - 10/17/09: Colorado 34, Kansas 30
#00 - 09/12/09: KANSAS 34, UTEP 7
Let's Go RU!
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