KenPom.....entire B1G within the Top 80

[NewJerseyHawk]

https://kenpom.com/index.php

I'm not a fan or aware of how some schools remain so highly scored within KenPom, but as we approach the final 2 weeks of the season, it looks like KenPom is finally starting to adjust.

The entire league is in the Top 80.....no other major conference can claim something like this and usually there's one or 2 outliers for a league.

I dont think it means teams outside the Top 80 or 100 are not as good as some B1G teams...(Harvard is in the 130 range and I think they're better than that and would win games in the B1G over a 20 game schedule). I would always use where the spreads are with Vegas in an matchup of teams on where teams are truly accounted for.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Vegas and kenpom are usually very close

 

[knightfan7]

RU is 50 places better than the end of '18. Nice improvement.

 

[80yrdPacheco]

Wow, top 80!!!!!

 

[G- RUnit]

Vegas and kenpom are usually very close

That's why I sometimes wonder about the value of Kenpom when its virtually identical to Vegas lines.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Wow, top 80!!!!!

Major progress

 

[bac2therac]

but still lagging at 108 in the NET rankings which is what the NCAA will heavily be leaning on. Illinois 89, Northwestern 84, Penn State 59

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Kenpom tells me more.

 

[bac2therac]

the NCAA selection committee doesn't care about your stats

 

[ru66]

joe lunardi junior has spoken

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

the NCAA selection committee doesn't care about your stats

I agree....i am talking about our improvement

 

[knight82]

the NCAA selection committee doesn't care about your stats

I don't think the NCAA selection committee even has Rutgers on its radar right now

 

[Degaz-RU]

I don't think the NCAA selection committee even has Rutgers on its radar right now

He’s talking about for next year, when many here think we will have a chance to be on the bubble.

 

[DHajekRC84]

I understand the latest crazy metric models (insert SMH emoji) but the eye test right now has Rutgers worthy of the NIT. Yeah, not likely unless they win 3 of 4 and 1 in the BTT. Even with that probably not lol.

BUT they sure look like one to me.

 

[RUtrumpet92]

Does anyone really think Nebraska is #43 in the nation right now?

 

[ScarletDave]

Does anyone really think Nebraska is #43 in the nation right now?

Lol exactly. This ranking is trash I don’t care if they had us at #25. Nebraska is putrid. And nice to see Rutgers ahead of 4 teams in the conference standings but “ranked” worse than all of them here. Gimme a break

 

[Plum Street]

I look forward to the year when we are good enough to be on the bubble.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

The NET is not the only component....all components, including Kenpom and Sagarin are being used. Net is just a vehicle to help distinguish certain teams that are eligible from others....PSU, Illinois and Northwestern's NET rating means nothing vs RU when none are approaching a status of having enough wins over .500.

RU can have the same OOC schedule next year and win 19 or 20 games with a NET rating of 60 and PSU and Illinois can schedule up again, get buried with no chance at a winning record OOC or in conference and have no shot at a bid.

If you're RU and you finish 14-16 & 1 & 1 in Chicago, the overall record would be 15-17.....not far off from last year's 15-19....if you're 50 to 60 spots higher from one year to the next, and have the same number of wins, that speaks more than the OOC or scheduled games.

RU is not in a position to schedule way up and go 11-19, because of an injury or something else happening beyond the program's control.

Remember, we are still discussing whether RU can avoid the basement or can they overachieve and finish 10th. I don't think the B1G is going to re-rank the team's W-L record based on strength of OOC schedule.

 

[G- RUnit]

Lol exactly. This ranking is trash I don’t care if they had us at #25. Nebraska is putrid. And nice to see Rutgers ahead of 4 teams in the conference standings but “ranked” worse than all of them here. Gimme a break

It’s cumulative right?

 

[bac2therac]

the sos is definitely holding Minnesota back....155 non conference and overall NET of just 54...yes it matters

the NET overall number is a guide...but the NET is where they go off of quad 1 and quad 2 wins and losses not other rankings so it really matters.

 

[bac2therac]

I understand the latest crazy metric models (insert SMH emoji) but the eye test right now has Rutgers worthy of the NIT. Yeah, not likely unless they win 3 of 4 and 1 in the BTT. Even with that probably not lol.

BUT they sure look like one to me.

RU has lost 5 of its last 6...that isnt a NIT team

 

[DHajekRC84]

RU has lost 5 of its last 6...that isnt a NIT team

come on man. we're not playing little sisters of the poor. We're either in the toughest damn conference or we're not. Indy has lost what 11 of 12 and you'd argue their an NCAA team?

I love you man but you can't argue how you finish doesn't matter in one tourney and then how it does in another. Especially in this year's B1G .

 

[JQRU91]

I look forward to the year when we are good enough to be on the bubble.

Forget the freaking bubble. Let's just blow past that. :smiley:

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

We are really getting there when a 4 point win against Minnesota doesnt really help our kenpom rating

 

[Sideline20]

So our kenpom moved up from 80 to 78 with the win over Minnesota. We are now projected at 7~13 for 10th place and a first round bye and play OSU at the 7 seed.
Minnesota vs Illinois is projected to be the 8/9 game.
PSU, Nebraska and Indiana are all projected at 6~14 with Northwestern projected for the basement at 5-15.

 

[colbert17]

I know it doesn't mean much but it's nice to see RU in KenPom to be ahead of schools like Georgetown, Pitt, Notre Dame and UCLA.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Must be a misprint. We can’t be ahead of Georgetown. They have that great freshman guard whose name escapes me. :grimace:

 

[RUJMM78]

RU has lost 5 of its last 6...that isnt a NIT team

A minimum requirement should be a winning record..The NIT in recent years has been more difficult for local teams to get a bid because it has greater attachment to the NCAA in taking teams that failed to get their invitation plus taking teams from smaller conferences that came in second .

 

[goru7]

So our kenpom moved up from 80 to 78 with the win over Minnesota. We are now projected at 7~13 for 10th place and a first round bye and play OSU at the 7 seed.
Minnesota vs Illinois is projected to be the 8/9 game.
PSU, Nebraska and Indiana are all projected at 6~14 with Northwestern projected for the basement at 5-15.

Yes we are 78 in Kenpom as it has taken this long to get the sample size to get the play on the court to match reality. However, Kenpom still rewards teams for their out of conference schedule but is not necessarily an accurate indicator of how a team is presently playing. Go look at 41-50. Nebraska is 43, Penn State is 47, Minnesota is 48, and Indiana is 49. I like the way our team is playing now and on a neutral court I think we beat all 4. The biggest respect is coming from Vegas as we were only 4 point underdogs against Iowa , which I thought we would be 7-8, and 1.5 point favorites against Minnesota. The sharps in the betting world actually thought the 4 points Rutgers was getting against Iowa was the best play of the day on a Saturday with a 150 games. That should tell you what the college basketball world thinks of our team .

 

[Sideline20]

Yes we are 78 in Kenpom as it has taken this long to get the sample size to get the play on the court to match reality. However, Kenpom still rewards teams for their out of conference schedule but is not necessarily an accurate indicator of how a team is presently playing. Go look at 41-50. Nebraska is 43, Penn State is 47, Minnesota is 48, and Indiana is 49. I like the way our team is playing now and on a neutral court I think we beat all 4. The biggest respect is coming from Vegas as we were only 4 point underdogs against Iowa , which I thought we would be 7-8, and 1.5 point favorites against Minnesota. The sharps in the betting world actually thought the 4 points Rutgers was getting against Iowa was the best play of the day on a Saturday with a 150 games. That should tell you what the college basketball world thinks of our team .

Goru7- Excellent points here. Vegas is amazing with their betting lines. If that kid from Minnesota makes the 3 at the buzzer there would be a lot of money changing hands.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

RU started the day at 82 on Kenpom...after the Iowa spanking, RU rockets up 14 spots to 68th....day is not complete yet but that passes a bunch of schools like Arizona, Oregon State, Xavier, Georgetown, Fresno State, Yale, Colorado, Temple, Miami, Memphis, Davidson, Northwestern and BYU.

Still lots of work to do.....trending in right direction in a lot of ways....!!

 

[bac2therac]

unfortunately our NET is 104....two factors..non conference sos of 322 and that hideous Fordham loss

wondering whether this NET thing gets some tweaks next season...seems like its not really rewarding RU for wins at all lately and somehow keeping Northwestern decent compared to their record. It may be overvaluing non conference games

 

[knights1212]

We are getting the short end of the stick all season by the NET. We are rated so much higher by Kenpom and Segarin and both have our strenth of schedule among the best in the entire country.

 

[ruman]

Kenpom now 68

 

[RUChoppin]

Kenpom now 68

And also not lowest in the B10 anymore, with Northwestern at 75.

 

[DHajekRC84]

I don't give a crap about all of this stuff. This team is post season quality right now and has been for weeks.

102 teams play and we won't be one of them. But we certainly are as good or better than half of them.

 

[Caliknight]

He’s talking about for next year, when many here think we will have a chance to be on the bubble.

Next year is next year. We win a few more of those toss up games we lost and we’d be on the bubble now. Some season left. Let’s finish strong and see what happens.

 

[colbert17]

God I wish we could play in the post season. Anywhere, any tournament, I don't care. Just keep playing.

 

[Doctor Worm]

God I wish we could play in the post season. Anywhere, any tournament, I don't care. Just keep playing.

At this point I think we can get a CBI invite if we want it.

 

[colbert17]

At this point I think we can get a CBI invite if we want it.

Not yet. We win our last two (not easy) and win one in the tourney, then maybe. Anything less and we watch TV.
Last year Maryland was the only Power 5 to be invited They declined and they were 19-13.
On the other hand four lower level schools, North Texas, New Orleans, Miami (OH) and UT Rio Grande Valley were in the tournament with sub .500 records. Also two others, Campbell and Central Arkansas were only one game over.
You get better by playing. If we do get invited we should go.