Last night's game made it clear to me....our 2 guard has to be a shooter

[Greene Rice FIG]

Watching the game last night it was crystal clear that certain player combinations worked and others did not work. Laurent coming back was huge on 2 fronts.....1. His play helps 2. more flexibility in allocating minutes

I believe we need 2 of (Williams, Grier and Goode) on the floor at all times. A 2 guard that can penetrate, but can't and won't make an open 3 hurts us. Sanders needs to have the ball in his hands and he was fabulous offensively playing with Williams and Grier last night. Williams is also more "in the flow" when he is the 2 guard.

i want to see....
1. Sanders 32 Daniels 8
23. Williams 30 Grier 25 Goode 25
45. lewis 20 laurent 30 Foreman 30

I know the feedback is going to be about Goode's defense. I am a defense 1st guy too. I need to see separation in what Daniels, Goode and Grier bring on the defensive end. I don't. Perimeter shooting is too important.

Last night in the 2nd half it just seemed the spacing was so much better and the offense flowed. it probably was no different. just seemed like sanders was in full control and looking to make all 5 players better offensively. it happened when Williams and Grier were out there.

 

[RU at the shore]

Don't mind the point guard breakdown and agree that is where Daniels needs to exclusively play.

However, if Williams/Grier/Goode are getting all the 2/3 minutes, then my breakdown is 38/37/5. Maybe less for Goode. I just don't see him ready to really contribute yet.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

He isn't and that is the problem.

The fact that he was spoken so highly off in the preseason and was 1st off the bench in Game 1 tells me there is a shooter somewhere in that body.

To me the difference in Goode and Grier is strictly confidence. At halftime of the Purdue game I saw Diallo talk to Goode and seem to be trying to encourage him. He needs a few open look 3s to go down and I think/hope he becomes a different player.

Yes Goode is a huge liability on defense, but our guards not named Williams and Sanders haven't shown they defend much better.

 

[mikefla]

we need an agile big and a shooter,,,both legitimate B10 talent
and we will be cooking IMO

 

[RUMountie]

we need an agile big and a shooter,,,both legitimate B10 talent
and we will be cooking IMO

It would help our team out tremendously if we find one or two players 6'6" or above who can shoot threes as well as an offensively skilled big.
It seems all of the good teams have these type of players on their team.

 

[RUChoppin]

Yes Goode is a huge liability on defense, but our guards not named Williams and Sanders haven't shown they defend much better.

So far, he's been empty minutes on offense, too, from what I've seen. It's too hard to get him the ball outside in a position to shoot because he's not moving well without the ball to get open, and he doesn't have the ability of the other guards to penetrate. He ends up just being a stop on the passing pattern most of the time.

Agree that there's likely a shooter in there somewhere - but he hasn't adjusted to the speed/size of the collegiate game yet to take advantage of that skillset.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

How about that: we need a 2 who can "shoot"? LOL - just bustin' chops Green - but, hey, more importantly he needs to be 6'4" or taller!

 

[PatrickRU92]

Our PG needs to be a threat to shoot the 3 (he is)
Our 2G MUST be able to shoot the 3
Our 3 MUST be able to shoot the 3
It would be nice if our 4 or 5 could shoot too but if they can't they at least one of them MUST be a threat to score

When we get this we will be able to compete. Until then, we will not.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I am talking about THIS roster!

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Our PG needs to be a threat to shoot the 3 (he is)
Our 2G MUST be able to shoot the 3
Our 3 MUST be able to shoot the 3
It would be nice if our 4 or 5 could shoot too but if they can't they at least one of them MUST be a threat to score

When we get this we will be able to compete. Until then, we will not.

Which is why Goode has to play..

 

[PatrickRU92]

Which is why Goode has to play..

When will he shoot?

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

When will he shoot?

Wish I had an answer. By process of elimination I want him out there. Grier and Williams can't/shouldn't play more than 30.

 

[RickB113]

Watching the game last night it was crystal clear that certain player combinations worked and others did not work. Laurent coming back was huge on 2 fronts.....1. His play helps 2. more flexibility in allocating minutes

I believe we need 2 of (Williams, Grier and Goode) on the floor at all times. A 2 guard that can penetrate, but can't and won't make an open 3 hurts us. Sanders needs to have the ball in his hands and he was fabulous offensively playing with Williams and Grier last night. Williams is also more "in the flow" when he is the 2 guard.

i want to see....
1. Sanders 32 Daniels 8
23. Williams 30 Grier 25 Goode 25
45. lewis 20 laurent 30 Foreman 30

I know the feedback is going to be about Goode's defense. I am a defense 1st guy too. I need to see separation in what Daniels, Goode and Grier bring on the defensive end. I don't. Perimeter shooting is too important.

Last night in the 2nd half it just seemed the spacing was so much better and the offense flowed. it probably was no different. just seemed like sanders was in full control and looking to make all 5 players better offensively. it happened when Williams and Grier were out there.

OF COURSE WE NEED A TWO GUARD WHO CAN MAKE 3's. According to you the last few years as long as they played D we would be fine. I go back and forth Green on whether or not you know the game at all. I think you might, but I am not sure. Guys like BAC and Areyounuts clearly have no clue what they are talking about, but I think you might. Your posts though confuse me. I almost feel like you just like to take the opposite approach. Some people just have that personality.

 

[seels2662]

I said over the summer that we needed one of Williams, Goode or Johnson (who left soon thereafter) to be a lights out shooter for this season to be successful. We got zero.

 

[RUonBrain]

I said over the summer that we needed one of Williams, Goode or Johnson (who left soon thereafter) to be a lights out shooter for this season to be successful. We got zero.

Lights out?
Those are rare

How about able to get hot once in a while?

 

[seels2662]

Lights out?
Those are rare

How about able to get hot once in a while?

Oh I agree it is rare and it was a long shot that everything would have been right for us to be over the hump this year. I was really hoping that one out of those three would have been it though.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

OF COURSE WE NEED A TWO GUARD WHO CAN MAKE 3's. According to you the last few years as long as they played D we would be fine. I go back and forth Green on whether or not you know the game at all. I think you might, but I am not sure. Guys like BAC and Areyounuts clearly have no clue what they are talking about, but I think you might. Your posts though confuse me. I almost feel like you just like to take the opposite approach. Some people just have that personality.

Did you read my post at all? I am talking about getting the most out of the roster we have now!

 

[linzalonic]

Did you read my post at all? I am talking about getting the most out of the roster we have now!

You're right that Goode appears to lack confidence and is scared to shoot. Not sure why. He has great touch & buries most deep shots with ease during warm ups.

He needs to flash harder to the ball & occasionally launch a shot when he gets it. Too often he'll catch the ball on the perimeter & pass it back immediately, even if he has space. He needs to make the guy guarding him work a little; he needs to be a threat & stretch the floor.

The elephant in the room in this thread is your allocation of only 8 minutes to Bishop. I think that's way too little, despite all the holes in his game (TO-prone, decision-making lapses, perplexing love of the anti-analytics 'just inside the 3-line jumper (dude step back a foot & it's worth 50% more)). With the injuries to the frontcourt, Bishop needs to get minutes for rebounding, which he has done well (5.0 in conference). Goode is actually decent on the boards (2.0 in conference in half the minutes), but Daniels is better there - he can 'play bigger'. But i agree with you that their on-ball and help defense are closer than most people think (especially the poster that loudly overrates Bishop).

I think your OP's frontcourt minutes allocations are perfect, but I'd have to give 25 minutes to bishop & 15 to Goode.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The elephant in the room in this thread is your allocation of only 8 minutes to Bishop. I think that's way too little, despite all the holes in his game (TO-prone, decision-making lapses, perplexing love of the anti-analytics 'just inside the 3-line jumper (dude step back a foot & it's worth 50% more)). With the injuries to the frontcourt, Bishop needs to get minutes for rebounding, which he has done well (5.0 in conference). Goode is actually decent on the boards (2.0 in conference in half the minutes), but Daniels is better there - he can 'play bigger'. But i agree with you that their on-ball and help defense are closer than most people think (especially the poster that loudly overrates Bishop).

I think your OP's frontcourt minutes allocations are perfect, but I'd have to give 25 minutes to bishop & 15 to Goode.

That is where we disagree.....you did a good job making my case. The 2 needs to be a perimeter shooter that doesn't require the ball in his hands.

Box scores don't have + - like hockey. If they did in the Iowa game.......

 

[linzalonic]

That is where we disagree.....you did a good job making my case. The 2 needs to be a perimeter shooter that doesn't require the ball in his hands.

Box scores don't have + - like hockey. If they did in the Iowa game.......

I think our player evaluations are nearly identical; the only differential is that I'm overweighting BD because of the injury situation.

And believe me, whenever Goode is within earshot I plead with him to be aggressive & shoot the ball.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I think our player evaluations are nearly identical; the only differential is that I'm overweighting BD because of the injury situation.

And believe me, whenever Goode is within earshot I plead with him to be aggressive & shoot the ball.

Yes...however I may be weighing the negatives a bit more than you.

I'd rather have Goode out there. I see the team better.

 

[RUChoppin]

Daniels is a penetrator who needs to get to the rim... which makes him more suited to the PG role than the SG role, as he doesn't have a consistent shot from range. That puts him behind Sanders, though, who has a much stronger skillset at that position. Daniels should be used to spell Sanders, who should get the vast majority of minutes at the point.

As for SG, Daniels really isn't one. Williams has also shown the most as a shooter so far (and has the added benefit of being here next year, so court time is valuable). Grier has shown more flashes on the perimeter than Daniels, so I'd give him the nod in any SG rotation. Goode hasn't shown much (yet?) but he is also going to be here next year, while Daniels is not... and since the W/L for this year is pretty much a lost cause, I'd say it's more valuable to get Goode minutes so that he can improve, even if he may be behind Daniels in some areas right now.

Maybe mix Daniels in at SF? He can drive from the wing and add rebounding, and could play defense against larger and somewhat slower players - where his Ole defense wouldn't be as exposed. He's small at 6-3, but it's not like we have many front court players to compete with for minutes.

That's my totally uneducated take - Daniels has some positive moments (usually in drives to the basket, and some rebounds), but he doesn't really fit at either guard position.

 

[jakeknight]

I was hoping Williams would fix his mechanics over the summer and heard that his ability to shoot the three had greatly improved, but I stiff see the same basic fundamental issues he came with last year. he has a hard time squaring up/getting set, and keeping his feet underneath him not sure why, although he does tend a rush his shots. He also doesn't always "see the iron" prior to letting go. Agree with poster above a two who can consistently knock down his shots, 2's or 3's is critical for this team.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Hate to be a broken record here....

 

[Drsupremo]

Let's be real, Williams cannot shoot from the outside with any consistency. He is unreliable and misses too many wide open shots and forces too many shots. We now have a valid statistical sampling of two years worth of brick laying.

Despite his poor shooting, he does play with a lot of heart and energy. Once we get better players, he will be the perfect 3rd guard because he can hit the occasional 3 pointer and he is a good on-ball defender.

For those who cite to the alleged fact that he was the best shooter in NYC high school as a senior, I say we should no longer recruit NYC high schools if that is true.

 

[RU_DIO]

Goode should be playing at a low major or D2. Just doesn't have the skill set for this level.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Goode should be playing at a low major or D2. Just doesn't have the skill set for this level.

Not disagreeing with you, but I stand by my thesis.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Goode should have played when Williams fouled out