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"Seven players said Butler attempted to run out players she didn’t think were good enough from the previous coaching regime. She also possibly violated an NCAA rule when she attempted to revoke the scholarship of sophomore infielder Myah Moy and another player who ended up transferring, the two players said."

Sounds like the abuse had a purpose and was effective too since all of them left.


Like I’ve been saying all along a bunch of girls who just couldn’t cut it under a coach who actually knew what she was doing and was trying to build a championship program.
 
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Non-story. Gonna keep repeating national media hasn't picked it up. It's DOA and the dust will settle soon.
Wait for Saturday to pass to see if it's DOA. E$PN is right behind SL for pi$$ing on RU.
 
From the article:

"Seven players said Butler attempted to run out players she didn’t think were good enough from the previous coaching regime. She also possibly violated an NCAA rule when she attempted to revoke the scholarship of sophomore infielder Myah Moy and another player who ended up transferring, the two players said."

Sounds like the abuse had a purpose and was effective too since all of them left.
And successful
 
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If Barchi had knowledge that Pat and Sarah had handled the issue appropriately, then he would have said as much to Codey and there wouldn't be an outside investigation.

Pat and Sarah have just been kissed on both cheeks.


Then if they handled it wrong then they should be fired...and it wasnt a coup
 
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No. It's not. As I've said repeatedly, his alleged tirade is icing on the cake, a little bit of extra sweetener and, frankly not entirely unexpected given the shots he's been taking.

But it's not the point. The point is that now the situation will be handed over to outside interests to pass judgment on the highest levels of the athletic department.

The wheels on the bus go round and round...

Except that the outside report comes back months from now, long after this coaching search is already over. Barchi's statement also does not indicate in any way that the school was not already on top of these allegations or that Hobbs has done anything worthy of termination. The media response can now be put to bed as far as further disciplinary action.
 
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If Barchi had knowledge that Pat and Sarah had handled the issue appropriately, then he would have said as much to Codey and there wouldn't be an outside investigation.

Pat and Sarah have just been kissed on both cheeks.

I sincerely hope that hypothesis is false, as Hobbs is the best AD we’ve had. Shortsighted and foolish to try and push him out,
 
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Except that the outside report comes back months from now, long after this coaching search is already over. Barchi's statement also does not indicate in any way that the school was not already on top of these allegations or that Hobbs has done anything worthy of termination. The media response can now be put to bed as far as further disciplinary action.
This doesn't sound like when Pernetti was thrown under the bus by Barchi in an effort to end the attacks cause by Rice's action and alleged lack of punishment.
Now it looks like the Bus Driver got out of his seat on the sideline and instead of acting like he didn't know a thing, is standing behind his AD saying Hobbs is taking the necessary action .

I have a feeling that some here are hoping Hobbs gets the shaft because of a unproven rumor about his not wanting Schiano back.
 
I think Hobbs set himself up to be fired so he doesn’t have to hire GS. He also wants a big exit package so he tipped off the SL on the softball story. When he is fired w/o cause he’ll take RU to the cleaners. Good chance Hobbs is an alien.
 
Eh. Certain people are gonna try to tie this thing around Hobb's neck. That much is obvious. Whether it will be successful is another story. I can't see national media running with this one.... no video, no sex, nothing to make it interesting at all. I know we are a favorite topic of theirs, but this story is just so typical and boring. They made a bunch of overweight athletes run. Boo hoo. The job involves running.

Barchi's support probably helps Hobbs, even if Barchi is on his way out. The outside firm will take awhile, and the result of that will be preordained, anyway. If I am betting at this point I am thinking they manage to keep it under control. Of course, I am assuming that Barchi is actually backing Hobbs, and that Barchi is giving the outside investigators their marching orders. If I am wrong, and the outside investigators are told to bury him, then he is dead in the water.

Really, I assume this all comes down to the truth between Schiano and Hobbs. If Schiano is really a done deal, then the don't really need to get rid of Hobbs, unless the two truly cannot work together. Or Unless Schiano went behind Hobbs' back and told them he will come, but they need to make Hobbs disappear.

Marco Battaglia as AD is mildly terrifying to me. That is a big step backwards. A step forwards would be firing Hobbs and getting a career athletics administrator with an understanding of Jersey. Jersey is so unique, I tend to think we need a political type though.
 
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we may be the only school in the country where we have to bring in outside meddlers to investigate rather than just letting our athletic dept handle it. We did it with Julie, now the same fate for Pat.

And we did it with Rice and we saw how that turned out - unfortunately, our history of being a badly run athletic department doesn't get us the credibility to do our own investigations and maybe it shouldn't...
 
And we did it with Rice and we saw how that turned out - unfortunately, our history of being a badly run athletic department doesn't get us the credibility to do our own investigations and maybe it shouldn't...

Frankly, I don't know why we do any investigations at all. If I'm the AD at Rutgers and a student athlete comes in to me and reports a crime, I call the police and let them investigate. If it's not a crime there has to be some department at Rutgers that investigates ethics type violations, no? What makes an AD qualified to do investigations? If this needs to be outsourced... fine... find a group of independent investigators and have them provide a report. This sort of approach would cost far less than what we're doing now and move accountability outside the athletics department.
 
From the article:

"Seven players said Butler attempted to run out players she didn’t think were good enough from the previous coaching regime. She also possibly violated an NCAA rule when she attempted to revoke the scholarship of sophomore infielder Myah Moy and another player who ended up transferring, the two players said."

Sounds like the abuse had a purpose and was effective too since all of them left.

Maybe the Yankees could try this with Stanton!
C'mon give it a rest with all this crap. No one on here knows shit. And if by the slimmest of chances they did they aren't going to tell you. Look at the amount of posts by the supposed insiders that should tell you something. Hint: "Look at Me"
 
Hobbs should resign, but he won’t. Hobbs obviously doesn’t care about Rutgers. Hobbs cares about Hobbs.

Pat this, Pat that...nonsense.

Hobbs is out and should be escorted out of the building carrying his stapler.

Get him out before he does any more damage
You are as clueless as they come.

Yes, tell all the men's and women's basketball players, the gymnastics team and wrestling team, the baseball and softball team, both men's and women's soccer teams, and men's lacrosse team how much "damage" Pat Hobbs has done to them. All of them have either moved into brand new facilities, or can see the steel going up on their brand new facilities. Sounds like real damage to me.

You should be embarrassed by how stupid your posts are.
 
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Frankly, I don't know why we do any investigations at all. If I'm the AD at Rutgers and a student athlete comes in to me and reports a crime, I call the police and let them investigate. If it's not a crime there has to be some department at Rutgers that investigates ethics type violations, no? What makes an AD qualified to do investigations? If this needs to be outsourced... fine... find a group of independent investigators and have them provide a report. This sort of approach would cost far less than what we're doing now and move accountability outside the athletics department.
A crime would go to the police. This was not a crime. Did you read the accusations?

To me this is more comparable to an HR complaint filed against a superior and the subsequent internal investigation, although to be clear there is a distinct difference in the relationship between a student on an athletic scholarship and their coaches vs. an employee in a corporate job and their supervisor/manager.
 
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What seems to be lost is that the husband volunteer coach was removed from the program over the summer when this came to light. So apparently something was done and it all seemed to have been handled appropriately. So the fact that it comes up now I’m another SL hit piece is fishy.
 
This makes me ill. Six whiny little brats didn’t like their new coach, who made them run wind sprints and pushed them hard and to be winners, and this shit happens? Beyond disgusting.

“waaaa the coach hit line drives at us in practice!!”

No good can come of girl's sports at the college level.
 
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From the article:

"Seven players said Butler attempted to run out players she didn’t think were good enough from the previous coaching regime. She also possibly violated an NCAA rule when she attempted to revoke the scholarship of sophomore infielder Myah Moy and another player who ended up transferring, the two players said."

Sounds like the abuse had a purpose and was effective too since all of them left.

College "athletes" who still think they're playing little league where everybody plays and wins.
 
You are as clueless as they come.

Yes, tell all the men's and women's basketball players, the gymnastics team and wrestling team, the baseball and softball team, both men's and women's soccer teams, and men's lacrosse team how much "damage" Pat Hobbs has done to them. All of them have either moved into brand new facilities, or can see the steel going up on their brand new facilities. Sounds like real damage to me.

You should be embarrassed by how stupid your posts are.
Facilities, facilities, facilities...$$$$$.....Hobbs loves the facilities contracts. Hobbs never saw a new bathroom contract that he didn’t like. Hobbs would love a big new contract to build huge new facilities for the cricket team or the mugrat.

Anything for the boys back at the clubhouse!
 
You are as clueless as they come.

Yes, tell all the men's and women's basketball players, the gymnastics team and wrestling team, the baseball and softball team, both men's and women's soccer teams, and men's lacrosse team how much "damage" Pat Hobbs has done to them. All of them have either moved into brand new facilities, or can see the steel going up on their brand new facilities. Sounds like real damage to me.

You should be embarrassed by how stupid your posts are.

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Barchi put out a statement. Basically defuses the whole thing.

Says we knew about this for months and investigated, only found that we broke one level III infraction of practicing for 2 hrs. more than allotted in two months and that's it. That it's already been reported to the NCAA and Hobbs(went on to reiterate his apology in the statement) has already apologized. But to appease those (SARGE/CODY) we'll do an outside investigation on the matter. The story will be dead in the 6 months it takes to complete that one.

The response was perfect. Cuts the rag, those who write for it and the politician trying to make a name for himself off at the knees. See we are learning only took us three decades.

It didn't work for Pernetti.
 
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What seems to be lost is that the husband volunteer coach was removed from the program over the summer when this came to light. So apparently something was done and it all seemed to have been handled appropriately. So the fact that it comes up now I’m another SL hit piece is fishy.
Kind of like the whole Mike Rice scenario, huh?
 
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Kind of like the whole Mike Rice scenario, huh?

It kind of makes me wonder why we didnt hear about it this summer. Like why not control the narrative, and toot your own horn. "We were approached by some players about an incident. We investigated, and made the decision to terminate the offending assistant coach due to a violation of school rules." I mean, its going to come out eventually....in this day and age a lawsuit is always filed.

I guess they must have a reason (?) but I don't know what it would be.
 
What seems to be lost is that the husband volunteer coach was removed from the program over the summer when this came to light. So apparently something was done and it all seemed to have been handled appropriately. So the fact that it comes up now I’m another SL hit piece is fishy.
There are always going to be factions working at cross-purposes to the rest of the athletic department - and it's usually parents who think their kids deserve to be scholarship Big Ten student-athletes, even when their kids' teams are winless in the conference. On the other hand, you've got the folks at NJAM writing snarky commentary about Rutgers ineptitude on the field or court, who are then more than happy to write hit pieces about the athletic department when they're fed stories by those same, angry parents, whose little angels are seemingly unfit for Big Ten competition.

The guys at NJAM are always harping on the notion that "nothing was being done about this," when really it's just lazy, biased reporting that assumes if the department isn't doing exactly what they or the parents want, then nothing is being done.

It's unbelievable to me that Politi would cite the Mike Rice situation in an inventory of institutional failures to rein in coaching abuse; he seems to forget that episode begins with Eric Murdock's attempt to extort nearly a million dollars from a state institution.
 
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Hobbs should resign, but he won’t. Hobbs obviously doesn’t care about Rutgers. Hobbs cares about Hobbs.

Pat this, Pat that...nonsense.

Hobbs is out and should be escorted out of the building carrying his stapler.

Get him out before he does any more damage
Your shtick is getting old.
 
It kind of makes me wonder why we didnt hear about it this summer. Like why not control the narrative, and toot your own horn. "We were approached by some players about an incident. We investigated, and made the decision to terminate the offending assistant coach due to a violation of school rules." I mean, its going to come out eventually....in this day and age a lawsuit is always filed.

I guess they must have a reason (?) but I don't know what it would be.
They never, EVER, get out in front of a potential PR issue.
 
Let’s see if RU learned anything from the way they $h-t the bed during the Pernetti witch hunt. PR management 101 teaches you to not be reactive (and so does common sense). Don’t react immediately, chill, then come out in few days with a public reprimand (following a “thorough investigation”). Let the papers bitch and moan a few days or weeks afterwards until the next bs headline takes the attention away and move on. Ain’t that hard.
 
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What seems to be lost is that the husband volunteer coach was removed from the program over the summer when this came to light. So apparently something was done and it all seemed to have been handled appropriately. So the fact that it comes up now I’m another SL hit piece is fishy.

I didn't and won't go read their article, but did the SL point out that the husband-volunteer-assistant had already been disciplined (i.e. terminated) in their article?
 
It kind of makes me wonder why we didnt hear about it this summer. Like why not control the narrative, and toot your own horn. "We were approached by some players about an incident. We investigated, and made the decision to terminate the offending assistant coach due to a violation of school rules." I mean, its going to come out eventually....in this day and age a lawsuit is always filed.

I guess they must have a reason (?) but I don't know what it would be.

Very few organizations understand the value of strategic transparency.
 
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