My suggestion...

[IL Lusciato]

Just hire a new OC. Someone who is a veteran and who can not only innovate in offense, but can help to advise Ash in other areas, esp game planning.

Lets all agree that it's way too early to pull the plug on Ash, and we have seen improvements so far with recruiting and defense. But lets be honest in the fact that Mehringer has looked completely lost. It really looks like his playbook is a page or two, and he has no plan but to pray we get a world beater to carry the team. He may have potential but he is a kid and he isn't ready. I had heard this from a reliable CFB source prior to the season. He runs the same plays every game no matter what the opponent does or who they are. He runs the same plays and tempo no matter what the game situation, etc.

Ash has done some good things, but he also had an odd approach in trying to mold everything in his image perhaps way too early. Hiring very young and inexperienced coaches in most positions has not worked out well so far. Ash needs to show some self-awareness and make a valid and needed change at the OC position.

We have been in many games bc of the defense, including last night, but when you run a hurry up 3 and out with the same 5 play cycle, and keep putting them on the field, eventually they will succumb. Let's do right by the fans, the kids, and all the stake holders, and get a better OC in there

 

[brgRC90]

Except this OC is installing a new offense and hasn't had a single one of his own players or players recruited for that kind of offense to coach. furthermore he lost his best and only real playmaker and fast player in game 4. I agree the offense probably should've shown more but given those circumstances it's too soon to pull the plug.

 

[RU4Real]

And I was so sure that the rest of that post was going to be "...is to start drinking heavily."

 

[IL Lusciato]

And I was so sure that the rest of that post was going to be "...is to start drinking heavily."

Oh I already do that lol.

Also want to point out issues w personnel. Our two best RBs don't really play. And when they do there is no innovation to get them in good position to make plays. That is on both Ash and the OC. But get a solid OC in there who has balls and reputation, and he will not only innovate, but get Ash to stop being stubborn and play the talented kids.

 

[beaced]

When what you are doing, with that which you have,is not working,then change what you are doing.Evaluate the strengths that you possess and use them to their best advantage.

 

[RU4Real]

Oh I already do that lol.

Also want to point out issues w personnel. Our two best RBs don't really play. And when they do there is no innovation to get them in good position to make plays. That is on both Ash and the OC. But get a solid OC in there who has balls and reputation, and he will not only innovate, but get Ash to stop being stubborn and play the talented kids.

The offense really doesn't make sense. If you don't have the arm or the accuracy to stretch the field vertically, then run some screens. You have to get the defense out of the box. We just don't seem to be able to do that.

 

[Nitwit]

My suggestion is to leave the Big10 and join the USA conference. You might be able to win a few there.

 

[RC1978]

 

[BlockR]

Worked for Elmer Flood when he hired the Fridge..
Ash clearly could benifit from a established power Five proven OC ,maybe someone who was even a head coach at one time. This job is tough enough to rebuild with an entire staff of first timer head postion guys,clearly the offense is the place to start when fixing this mess.
I think(pray) ASH can fix the defense himself. Special teams is another disaster..Once a benchmark of RU football under Schiano years is another embarrassment..punting,Kicking..

 

[BlockR]

Except this OC is installing a new offense and hasn't had a single one of his own players or players recruited for that kind of offense to coach. furthermore he lost his best and only real playmaker and fast player in game 4. I agree the offense probably should've shown more but given those circumstances it's too soon to pull the plug.

so.... 229-0 vrs OSU,MSU,PSU Michigan isnt enough to tell you ,maybe a change is needed..maybe another shut out vrs Maryland will help?

 

[ClassOf02]

He's good at the twitter though.

 

[coldsprings]

Except this OC is installing a new offense and hasn't had a single one of his own players or players recruited for that kind of offense to coach. furthermore he lost his best and only real playmaker and fast player in game 4. I agree the offense probably should've shown more but given those circumstances it's too soon to pull the plug.

Suppose you were building your own home. Your architect designed the colonial style home you wanted. You ordered the materials and hired the contractors. You go on vacation and you find on your return that the contractor is building a contemporary style home he likes best. Your building kit is colonial so nothing fits right and the house looks like it will fall down in a strong wind. Would you say, "oh well, give the contractor time, he is building the home he wants?"

As Il Lusciato wrote two of our best weapons, Hicks and Martin have been wrecked by Ash and Mehringer because they don't fit their schemes. It is beyond imagination that Rutgers could have hired coaches worse than Flood. I don't blame Hobbs, hiring Ash was a good risk to take. But Ash hiring Mehringer and allowing his incompetence to go unchecked is stubbornness that makes Flood look flexible.

 

[RRRRUUUU]

I think a reasonable solution is hire an experienced OC. Make Mehringer co-OC/ WR coach (he was WR coach at Houston). Move Jafar Williams to RB coach (he coached RBs prior to this year). Get rid of Kur. Also hire new special teams coordinator that has had success at coaching special teams. Heck Rossi would be a major upgrade at Special Teams.

 

[NickyNewark51]

My suggestion is to leave the Big10 and join the USA conference. You might be able to win a few there.

UConn fan?

 

[rutgers4life11]

My suggestion is to leave the Big10 and join the USA conference. You might be able to win a few there.

Get lost Penn State trash.

 

[BlockR]

where is Martin??

 

[bac2therac]

Op is absolutely correct...Drew must go and experienced guy paid to be OC if the money isnt shelled out we are just continuing the cheap half assed charade that some claimed was over

 

[GimmeSomeMore]

I am afraid that Ash, even with a green light to change coaches will have a very tough time doing so. Anyone worth their salt would have to be a bit skeptical about the head man and I would venture that it will take a sizeable premium to off set that. Our chance was with the first staff and coach failed miserably in that regard. I would love to see DM, VO and ZK gone at a minimum but sadly I expect that back and for us to hear a new set of excuses next year ... mostly just how young all this new talent is. Sux

 

[rutgersguy1]

Both coordinators, obviously including Mehringer, are on 2 year contracts IIRC so I'd be surprised if he'd be let go based on that plus the fact that I don't know if Ash would let go the coordinator he hired off of 1 year without his much of his own personnel. Anything can happen but I'd be surprised.

If anything I'd think a co-coordinator is possible, it's something Meyer has done at times and I could see Ash following suit. That would likely require a few hundred thousand extra in budget and letting a current position coach go. The new co-coordinator would likely have to be given a salary in line with Mehringer's and they'd both be paid in that 450K range. HCs will be fired in the offseason and possible names may pop up. I had mentioned Eddie Gran back then and he was the Cincy OC, eventually got hired by Kentucky but he's struggled some this year. Maybe a Noel Mazzone the A&M OC via UCLA if talk of Sumln being let go come to fruition. So some names could pop up but of course that depends on extra budget and if Ash thinks it's necessary.

It's funny I was just looking back at an old thread about Mehringer's hiring and how many were quite excited and now a 180. I was trying to keep an even keel and not be too high about it. Got some blowback even. Thought his youth would be good for recruiting and his inexperience could be an issue but still kept an open mind. Even suggested possible co-OC. Months later I'm basically spouting all the same stuff now that I did then. I still have an open mind despite our ineptitude on offense. Point being when the hype machine is going I keep my feet on the ground and now with all the despair keep my head above it and just stay even keel right along. As I've said a little bit of time is necessary to judge more clearly but understand all the frustration and anger. Of course my apprehension hasn't subsided after year 1 results but we'll have to see.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/rutgers-hires-drew-mehringer-as-oc-houston-wr-coach.60575/

 

[formerlyknownasrutgers100]

where is Martin??

His hamstring only lets him run a few times per game

 

[Vince2310]

Suppose you were building your own home. Your architect designed the colonial style home you wanted. You ordered the materials and hired the contractors. You go on vacation and you find on your return that the contractor is building a contemporary style home he likes best. Your building kit is colonial so nothing fits right and the house looks like it will fall down in a strong wind. Would you say, "oh well, give the contractor time, he is building the home he wants?"

As Il Lusciato wrote two of our best weapons, Hicks and Martin have been wrecked by Ash and Mehringer because they don't fit their schemes. It is beyond imagination that Rutgers could have hired coaches worse than Flood. I don't blame Hobbs, hiring Ash was a good risk to take. But Ash hiring Mehringer and allowing his incompetence to go unchecked is stubbornness that makes Flood look flexible.

i agree - its unacceptable that the strength of our team was not used. Goodwin is ok, but he was converted to cornerback 2 years ago and now he is #1! you have to adapt until you have your players.