NCAA Lacrosse selection show
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Agreed , but JH is the blue blood in the sport and we are upstarts, similar to ND always getting ranked even when the suck.
We should have F-U Navy chants during our first football game.
edit: For those not familiar with Rutgers and especially the Naval Intelligence Agency, this is a fictitious post intended to poke our own idiots for what happened in 2007, absolutely no disrespect to the Naval Academy.
edit: For those not familiar with Rutgers and especially the Naval Intelligence Agency, this is a fictitious post intended to poke our own idiots for what happened in 2007, absolutely no disrespect to the Naval Academy.
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I know you're upset, but there are three schools that never ever should be booed and that's Air Force, Navy and Army considering those kids go to war for us all.
I thought you should have been in.
It's times like this there should really be a dislike button. Totally stupid and ignorant statement Navy has nothing to do with us not getting in besides the fact they serve our country
The NCAA MUST expand this tournament. The growth of the sport and increased # of teams, nationally, calls for a MINIMUM of 2 more teams. Seeds 1-4 should all face winners of 1st round games.
HOP is ONE game above .500....year after year they get preference,,,,,it gets nauseating
I want them OUT of the B10.......we need another B10 school to sponsor a team ASAP
I want them OUT of the B10.......we need another B10 school to sponsor a team ASAP
We were absolutely killed by our god awful SOS. This is incredibly disappointing, but its really on the coaches. We need to schedule like the other big ten teams do.
Basketball 351 schools.. 68 make tourney = 19.3 percent
Lacrosse 70 schools... 18 make tourney = 25.7 percent
And most think 68 is too big. I think we need less not more in the lacrosse tourney.
If you only knew how funny that post was
In this case, Google is your friend orange...
Wow are people serious? He's making a joke based on a few idiots a couple of years ago.
As as member of the military I found it funny. Get over yourself.
I think the whole process is woefully bias towards the "known programs." Before the selections were made did any of you see the commentators during halftime yesterday of the B1G championship between us and Maryland? When they showed the RPI of all of the teams they were all in agreement that the RPI is totally bogus for lacrosse as compared to BB, because the sample size is too small to get an accurate account of which teams in which conferences are really stronger than other teams in other conferences, because they rarely play one another.
Still, if we got penalized for the loss against Princeton and our "low RPI of 19", I'm sure there are several teams in the tourney where we can point to their horrible losses such as Navy losing to Army in the first round of their tournament.
I feel terrible for the kids that played their hearts out. Our coach needs to use this as major motivation for next year, where we have a very strong core coming back.
Still, if we got penalized for the loss against Princeton and our "low RPI of 19", I'm sure there are several teams in the tourney where we can point to their horrible losses such as Navy losing to Army in the first round of their tournament.
I feel terrible for the kids that played their hearts out. Our coach needs to use this as major motivation for next year, where we have a very strong core coming back.
Hopkins needs the Big Ten for access to the tournament. They aren't going anywhere and the league shouldn't want them to. They provide Michigan, Ohio State, and Rutgers opportunities for top-10 wins.
No question. We get in over any other team we beat twice that isn't one of the "old boys club" members.
Well, this year was the first year I really ever got into lacrosse. So much so that I watched our last 6 games in entirety, listened to the first Maryland on the radio because I was busy, and even attended the PSU game. I started to really get into it but there was a lot of garbage that I noticed that made it not fun. The women's game is terrible to watch. I get enough of blue blood bias in CFB with ND and the $EC don't need to get more angry over lacrosse garbage. So I will still support our team and hope they win, but not this sport not worth it with this garbage why even have a season.
Here's a dollar: go buy a clue. Better yet, here's five dollars: go buy yourself a blowup girlfriend.
Actually, it isn't. Uva dropped us after 2 games of a 4 year deal. We try to get games. Scheduling isn't as easy as saying we want to play you.
I am not sure if our new found status will help us get games or hurt us more.
One thing is for sure,losing to to perceived better teams is better than beating mediocre teams, at least in the committee's eyes.
The bigger issue is the number of AQ's. It would be like 34 of the teams making basketball tourney coming from AQ's.
In a rush to spread the game, the powers that be granted AQs to conferences that simply don't deserve it.
Take the America East. They are a one bid league. We were incredibly unfortunate this year. Normally a team like Albany walks to that title. The didn't this year, so not only do they take an at large, but their champion in Hartford takes the AQ. Big East, same thing.
If one of two of those go as scripted, I think we get in.
Reading through this interview with the committee chair (AD from Fairfield) I am not even certain we were next in, though that's what I heard from someone who would know. Now I am not so sure. He seems focused on Harvard.
They were 8-8. This whole things needs to be reviewed. It's ridiculous we didn't get in. It's ridiculous that Marquette got a home game and 6 seed after getting pasted two weeks ago 16-1 by fellow bubble team Duke. In basketball terms, that's like getting beat 30-90. And Duke wasn't even a top 10 team. There are just a ton of inconsistencies with the results of this process.
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/artic...-bracket-reactions-ncaa-committee-chair/35121
They were 8-8. This whole things needs to be reviewed. It's ridiculous we didn't get in. It's ridiculous that Marquette got a home game and 6 seed after getting pasted two weeks ago 16-1 by fellow bubble team Duke. In basketball terms, that's like getting beat 30-90. And Duke wasn't even a top 10 team. There are just a ton of inconsistencies with the results of this process.
http://www.insidelacrosse.com/artic...-bracket-reactions-ncaa-committee-chair/35121
Princeton was not supposed to be as bad as they were. They fired their coach in the middle of the season. Their OOC is was not supposed to be bad. Monmouth unfortunately dropped off too. That's not out fault
A lot of times when the Bball analyst talk tourney bids, they refer to the eye test. They always ask "does this team pass the eye test." When using the "eye test," Rutgers is better than Hopkins. End of story. Watch both RU VS Hopkins games. We are easily better. Not only did we win at our place, we then followed it up by winning again at their place. I know Hopkins has some good wins, but we're 11-5 with two wins over them. Would it have been better if we scheduled UNC and Duke just to raise our RPI? The whole system doesn't make sense. Hopkins got in because of track record. I thought they had no chance to get in after losing to us and falling to 8-6.
The anatomy of a travesty. And when both the analysts on the selection show, including a Hopkins grad say RU belonged it was a travesty.
Rutgers got caught between two forces that both worked to it's detriment:
1. The NCAAs desire to expand the game, which leads to an incredible number of AQs allowing marginal schools to get a berth in the tournament, and
2. The Baltimore old boys network taking care of it's own. I look at Navy's bid as a function of Baltimore, not as a service academy. Air Force got in this year, but Air Force DESERVED to get in this year.
The one other comment I would make regards the Princeton loss. I think people here overstate it's importance. It was an early season game, followed by a lot of good wins. The loss I would say hurt, and hurt severely, was Ohio State the week before the conference championship.
Edited to add. I think the schedule can/should be strengthened by dropping one or all of Wagner, NJIT and /or Monmouth and adding one or all of Penn, Bucknell and/or Hofstra.
Rutgers got caught between two forces that both worked to it's detriment:
1. The NCAAs desire to expand the game, which leads to an incredible number of AQs allowing marginal schools to get a berth in the tournament, and
2. The Baltimore old boys network taking care of it's own. I look at Navy's bid as a function of Baltimore, not as a service academy. Air Force got in this year, but Air Force DESERVED to get in this year.
The one other comment I would make regards the Princeton loss. I think people here overstate it's importance. It was an early season game, followed by a lot of good wins. The loss I would say hurt, and hurt severely, was Ohio State the week before the conference championship.
Edited to add. I think the schedule can/should be strengthened by dropping one or all of Wagner, NJIT and /or Monmouth and adding one or all of Penn, Bucknell and/or Hofstra.
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I still think Rutgers should have gotten into the tournament. But yes, in my opinion the weak schedule is a problem that has to be solved. the teams that got in played tougher schedules. Take a look at a strength of schedule rating and you'll see what I mean. There's no reason why Rutgers, in the heart of lacrosse alley, should have a schedule rated so low. I'm sure they're already working on beefing it up after this fiasco, because the B1G runner-up should be in this thing.
edited to add: As others have said, the "old boy club" / cachet value is a major part of this. Teams like Hopkins (and Maryland, honestly) will always get the benefit of the doubt. It's not fair, and I think Rutgers got the shaft this year because of it.
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Trouble with scheduling is, when the games are set, you have no control over quality of opponent; for example, Princeton. They had a bad YEAR, but are a good program, so our S of S takes a hit. Doesn't make sense when opponents are limited.
Screw job, no other explanation. Plus, we beat Hopkins at their house at a serious, albeit self inflicted, disadvantage. The face off infractions really helped JHU a lot. That is on us for early movement, but might have been a statement win if JHU didn't have that extra help.
Screw job, no other explanation. Plus, we beat Hopkins at their house at a serious, albeit self inflicted, disadvantage. The face off infractions really helped JHU a lot. That is on us for early movement, but might have been a statement win if JHU didn't have that extra help.
Yes, we really ought to know our place. Can't hang with these guys
When did the uniforms for the Midshipman change?
This x1000. I've watched lacrosse for 15+ years now, and this statement is 100% true. It is a major advantage to be in the ACC where every game is considered a 'marquee' game. Just by luck, you can catch a team on an off-day or have a particularly good day and pick up one or two 'quality wins', while teams in most other leagues don't have that luxury. Rutgers has a WTF performance against Princeton and it is viewed very negatively, where a Duke can have a WTF game against Richmond, but they have 8 other opportunities to get 'quality wins'. Rutgers maybe has 3-4 of those opportunities a season...and as Cali says, just because you want to play better teams doesn't mean they want to play you. Just like in football, saying you want to schedule Alabama and actually scheduling Alabama are two entirely separate things.
I suspect that strength of schedule was a big factor. RU had 11 wins but 5 of them were against teams ranked (according to laxpower) in the bottom 20 out of 70. Only 1 of Hopkins' wins came against a team ranked so low.
But that being said, even if you ignore those 5 wins, RU's overall body of work was pretty similar to JHU's. JHU had a slightly better best win (against the #5 team compared to RU's best against the #13 team twice). But the head-to-head results clearly favored RU and should have been more than enough to put RU into the tournament in place of Hopkins.
But that being said, even if you ignore those 5 wins, RU's overall body of work was pretty similar to JHU's. JHU had a slightly better best win (against the #5 team compared to RU's best against the #13 team twice). But the head-to-head results clearly favored RU and should have been more than enough to put RU into the tournament in place of Hopkins.
If RU was not good enough to get in, than how does Hopkins benefit from not just one, but two, losses to such a mediocre squad. Head to head has to account for something- why play? Instead, let the selection committee decide in February based on SOS and lacrosse history. Never mind, that's pretty much what they did. If you make an argument that RU doesn't qualify, and that's a very close call, than there is no way JHU can be in. Similarly, if JHU is awarded a spot because they are good enough to otherwise qualify, than RU most certainly have gotten in. A sharply worded letter from Delany to the selection committee should have already been delivered .
I don't blame you guys a bit for being peeved. SOS aside, you beat Hopkins twice, including a crucial B1G semi-final game...
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