NIL District Court Decision- Plaintiffs Seeks Schools and Conferences to Make NIL Payments NCAAA Proposals Post #17

[Knight Shift]

"We're now poised to get the rules stricken that prevent conferences and schools from making NIL payments," said Steve Berman, one of the lead attorneys for the plaintiffs. "That's going to be huge for these athletes."

Lawyers for the plaintiffs in the case also a seeking class-action status for a damages claim that, according to filings by the NCAA, could be worth more than $1.4 billion. Friday’s ruling by U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken expressly does not address that issue, with Wilken writing that she resolve that matter in a separate order.

NCAA, conferences could be forced into major NIL change as lawsuit granted class-action status

A federal district judge granted class-action status to an anti-trust lawsuit against the NCAA and the nation’s top college conferences.

www.usatoday.com

 

[retired711]

"We're now poised to get the rules stricken that prevent conferences and schools from making NIL payments," said Steve Berman, one of the lead attorneys for the plaintiffs. "That's going to be huge for these athletes."

Lawyers for the plaintiffs in the case also a seeking class-action status for a damages claim that, according to filings by the NCAA, could be worth more than $1.4 billion. Friday’s ruling by U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken expressly does not address that issue, with Wilken writing that she resolve that matter in a separate order.

NCAA, conferences could be forced into major NIL change as lawsuit granted class-action status

A federal district judge granted class-action status to an anti-trust lawsuit against the NCAA and the nation’s top college conferences.

www.usatoday.com

I'm sure you agree that this is only a procedural decision that does not indicate anything about whether the lawsuit has merit. All it does is certify the action as a class action, something that the story says the NCAA did not oppose.

 

[RUScrew85]

"We're now poised to get the rules stricken that prevent conferences and schools from making NIL payments," said Steve Berman, one of the lead attorneys for the plaintiffs. "That's going to be huge for these athletes."

Lawyers for the plaintiffs in the case also a seeking class-action status for a damages claim that, according to filings by the NCAA, could be worth more than $1.4 billion. Friday’s ruling by U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken expressly does not address that issue, with Wilken writing that she resolve that matter in a separate order.

NCAA, conferences could be forced into major NIL change as lawsuit granted class-action status

A federal district judge granted class-action status to an anti-trust lawsuit against the NCAA and the nation’s top college conferences.

www.usatoday.com

So straight up minor league pro ball now? Thanks Geo!

 

[RUTGERS95]

insane and needs to be stopped
how is a school to be responsible for this, it's absurd

 

[NickRU714]

insane and needs to be stopped
how is a school to be responsible for this, it's absurd

Competent financial management?

Is the argument really "Athletic Departments will receive nearly $100m per year in media revenue plus other conference reveneue plus private donations. But they can't afford additional compensation to players".

What exactly are they spending on then?
Its called expense prioritization - just like every other company, industry or household.
Starting with less $75k UberEats expenses seems reasonable in exchange for player compensation.

 

[Knight Shift]

Competent financial management?

Is the argument really "Athletic Departments will receive nearly $100m per year in media revenue plus other conference reveneue plus private donations. But they can't afford additional compensation to players".

What exactly are they spending on then?
Its called expense prioritization - just like every other company, industry or household.
Starting with less $75k UberEats expenses seems reasonable in exchange for player compensation.

C'mon. You know the answer. Most of the money supports Title IX non revenue sports. Then there is facilities, salaries, etc.

 

[RUTGERS95]

C'mon. You know the answer. Most of the money supports Title IX non revenue sports. Then there is facilities, salaries, etc.

exactly
his response was sophomoric at best

 

[NickRU714]

C'mon. You know the answer. Most of the money supports Title IX non revenue sports. Then there is facilities, salaries, etc.

Every entity has expenses.

If there was actual open records on how money is being spent then the AD could tell the school (and taxpayers) to actually fund non-revenue/Title IX sports.

Why is it the responsibility of the football/basketball team (staff and players) to fund them?

 

[Jerseylegends]

insane and needs to be stopped
how is a school to be responsible for this, it's absurd

I'm confused, What needs to be stopped?

 

[retired711]

C'mon. You know the answer. Most of the money supports Title IX non revenue sports. Then there is facilities, salaries, etc.

It's not at all clear that this is true It's the facilities, salaries, that are the "most." . https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/student-athlete-revenue-sharing/

 

[NickRU714]

exactly
his response was sophomoric at best

Why shouldn't a school be responsible then?
Saying that can't afford it isn't a reason why they shouldn't be responsible.

Pick a reason - moral or financial. Both easily refutable.

 

[Jerseylegends]

Nil all together or the idea of players receiving a piece of these massive TV deals?

 

[Jerseylegends]

I've been living in a bubble because outside of the scarletnation message board I don't come across anyone that thinks the sky is falling because college athletes are finally participating in the free market economy...what's the big deal? Just watch the games ...simple lol

 

[RUScrew85]

I've been living in a bubble because outside of the scarletnation message board I don't come across anyone that thinks the sky is falling because college athletes are finally participating in the free market economy...what's the big deal? Just watch the games ...simple lol

Geo, is that you?

 

[RUAldo]

exactly
his response was sophomoric at best

Sophmoronic at best…

 

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[fg7321]

So straight up minor league pro ball now? Thanks Geo!

So you don't believe in the free market? Not very conservative or republican of you. LOL

 

[Brisket and Bourbon]

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[retired711]

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Maybe I'm missing something, but there doesn't seem much to this. "Best practices" are usually not binding, and I'm not sure how much a registry will accomplish. Certainly there seems to be no interest in cracking down on booster inducements to athletes that are disguised as NIL deals.

 

[Roy_Faulker]

Right and unless all NIL is organized and flows through the school reporting on deals and aggregate amounts will be very difficult to track.

 

[Knight Shift]

Maybe I'm missing something, but there doesn't seem much to this. "Best practices" are usually not binding, and I'm not sure how much a registry will accomplish. Certainly there seems to be no interest in cracking down on booster inducements to athletes that are disguised as NIL deals.

NCAA stands for No Chance At Achievement! Just passing info along as it is reported.

EDIT- spellcheck/autocorrect on my mobile device is atrocious.

 

[rurichdog]

NCAA setting up another glorified Information Booth? Say it ain't so.

 

[NickRU714]

Right and unless all NIL is organized and flows through the school reporting on deals and aggregate amounts will be very difficult to track.

Any illusions of a salary cap or something were never going to happen. Not sure why people ever thought that.
A salary cap would be on the money Rutgers the institute is paying athletes. That is already in place. There will never be a "salary cap" on private contracts.

Here's a question though: if they did institute some sort of NIL salary cap - do you think it would be above or below what we are reportedly offering (through outside private sources) Ace Bailey and Dylan Harper combined?

Our 2024 basketball class would be blown to pieces.

 

[Knight Shift]

Any illusions of a salary cap or something were never going to happen. Not sure why people ever thought that.
A salary cap would be on the money Rutgers the institute is paying athletes. That is already in place. There will never be a "salary cap" on private contracts.

Here's a question though: if they did institute some sort of NIL salary cap - do you think it would be above or below what we are reportedly offering (through outside private sources) Ace Bailey and Dylan Harper combined?

Our 2024 basketball class would be blown to pieces.

There should be salary caps for coaches and athletes, IMO. Maybe not across the board, but as a percentage of media revenue taken in by the school. OTOH, if an athlete has a true "NIL brand" (and not pay to play) such as the LSU gymnast, they should be able to reap off of their name image likeness whatever they can leverage.

 

[Knight Shift]

Probably paywalled, but here is an interesting story on a MSU basketball player who cannot profit from NIL:

"On the good side of the ledger sit stories such as Sissoko’s, of athletes using their money to help others. As an international student, Sissoko’s situation is complicated. While his teammates cut deals for cars at area dealerships and earn paychecks off other endorsements, Sissoko cannot profit off of his NIL while in the United States.

He can, however, create a foundation and solicit charitable contributions. With the help of Clayton and his other guardian, Paul Olson, that’s what Sissoko did. Sissoko set a goal of $50,000. He surpassed it by “quite a lot,’’ Sissoko says, though he does not wish to give an exact amount, and in February officials broke ground on the school. It opened in September, with four classrooms able to serve 60 to 70 students apiece."

How f'd up is that--Department of Homeland Security Regulations? What? See second link- not paywalled.

He cannot profit off his NIL. He built a school instead.

Mady Sissoko left his village to chase a better life. Now he's hoping to pave a path for the children back home.

theathletic.com

Student Athlete Name, Image and Likeness Rules and Nonimmigrant Status

NAFSA: Association of International Educators is the world's largest nonprofit association dedicated to international education and exchange.

www.nafsa.org

 

[fg7321]

Any illusions of a salary cap or something were never going to happen. Not sure why people ever thought that.
A salary cap would be on the money Rutgers the institute is paying athletes. That is already in place. There will never be a "salary cap" on private contracts.

Here's a question though: if they did institute some sort of NIL salary cap - do you think it would be above or below what we are reportedly offering (through outside private sources) Ace Bailey and Dylan Harper combined?

Our 2024 basketball class would be blown to pieces.

That's the real reason for this the big boys don't like the parity that NIL is causing. Alabama losing games Clemson losing games Colorado on the rise. The Blue bloods hate this and want to take back control.

 

[Knight Shift]

That's the real reason for this the big boys don't like the parity that NIL is causing. Alabama losing games Clemson losing games Colorado on the rise. The Blue bloods hate this and want to take back control.

Don't forget Tommy Tuberville (former Auburn coach) is a Senator too.

 

[LotusAggressor]

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Maybe that's not such a bad thing.

 

[retired711]

Probably paywalled, but here is an interesting story on a MSU basketball player who cannot profit from NIL:

"On the good side of the ledger sit stories such as Sissoko’s, of athletes using their money to help others. As an international student, Sissoko’s situation is complicated. While his teammates cut deals for cars at area dealerships and earn paychecks off other endorsements, Sissoko cannot profit off of his NIL while in the United States.

He can, however, create a foundation and solicit charitable contributions. With the help of Clayton and his other guardian, Paul Olson, that’s what Sissoko did. Sissoko set a goal of $50,000. He surpassed it by “quite a lot,’’ Sissoko says, though he does not wish to give an exact amount, and in February officials broke ground on the school. It opened in September, with four classrooms able to serve 60 to 70 students apiece."

How f'd up is that--Department of Homeland Security Regulations? What? See second link- not paywalled.

He cannot profit off his NIL. He built a school instead.

Mady Sissoko left his village to chase a better life. Now he's hoping to pave a path for the children back home.

theathletic.com

Student Athlete Name, Image and Likeness Rules and Nonimmigrant Status

NAFSA: Association of International Educators is the world's largest nonprofit association dedicated to international education and exchange.

www.nafsa.org

The longstanding rule is that someone in America on a student visa can't work. So a workaround has to be devised to get NIL money to an athlete from abroad. I think, but am not sure, that Rutgers has or had an athlete who had to deal with this problem.

 

[retired711]

Any illusions of a salary cap or something were never going to happen. Not sure why people ever thought that.
A salary cap would be on the money Rutgers the institute is paying athletes. That is already in place. There will never be a "salary cap" on private contracts.

Here's a question though: if they did institute some sort of NIL salary cap - do you think it would be above or below what we are reportedly offering (through outside private sources) Ace Bailey and Dylan Harper combined?

Our 2024 basketball class would be blown to pieces.

A salary cap on NIL would be a violation of the antitrust laws unless Congress specifically allowed it.

 

[Knight Shift]

The longstanding rule is that someone in America on a student visa can't work. So a workaround has to be devised to get NIL money to an athlete from abroad. I think, but am not sure, that Rutgers has or had an athlete who had to deal with this problem.

There are workarounds for graduate students doing research and working internships, correct? It would seem there could be a similar one for NIL? Not in my wheelhouse, and asking questions.

 

[retired711]

There are workarounds for graduate students doing research and working internships, correct? It would seem there could be a similar one for NIL? Not in my wheelhouse, and asking questions.

Not in mine, either. FWIW, here are the rules. In a nutshell, a person on a student visa may work in on-campus employment part-time (full-time when school is not in session) so long as no American is displaced. The advice of a good immigration attorney is essential. https://www.ice.gov/sevis/employment

 

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[NickRU714]

1. What "congressional actions"?

2. Why are Div 2/3 and Div 1-A operating under the same rules? They are vastly different business models and processes.

Similar to my "revenue sports AD and non-rev sports AD", if the school is actively making significant revenue from athletics than they should be operating under different guidelines than a Div 3 school with no revenue.