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OT: 76 Dead In Plane Crash Involving Members Of A 1st Division Brazilian Soccer Team

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**Up date to orginal thread.

There are 76 Dead (5 survivors) in a major plane crash of a British Aerospace 146 Short Haul. There were ~81 aboard including members of the Brazilian 1st Division Chapecoence (from Chapeco, Brazil). Crashed in the mountains near Medellin Airport.

The plane was headed to Medillean Airport for the 1st of a 2-march Opening Round Finals match in the Copa Sudamericana Tourney vs Nacional of Medellin. Reports of at least 6 survivors. Keep them in your prayers.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/1...razilian-soccer-team-crashes-in-colombia.html

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/29/americas/colombia-plane-accident/index.html

UPDATED

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/1...lian-soccer-team-leaves-at-least-76-dead.html
 
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The final picture taken of the team before the flight. Horrible.

In an awesome sign of respect, their opponents "forfeited" the game..giving Chapecoence the Championship.

Tragic story.
 
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Terrible devastating story.

I feel so bad for their families that now have to deal with this for the rest of their lives.
 
Holy sh*t they were flying to a city 300-miles north because their home stadium, seating only 22,000, was deemed "too small" to host a championship game! Ugh!

That being said what a sad story other than the fact that, somehow, 5 people survived.
 
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My thoughts immediately flashed back to Nov.14,1970,when Marshall's plane crashed as one of my high school classmates,Harrison's Kevin Gilmore,is one of the 6 players buried there in Huntingon's mass grave memorial with his teammates.
 
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SIAP: apparently pilot requested, more than once, for an "immediate landing due to complete loss of electrical failure and lack of fuel" WOW if true and they weren't afforded the space/time to land!
 
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AreYouNUTS said:
SIAP: apparently pilot requested, more than once, for an "immediate landing due to complete loss of electrical control." WOW if true and they weren't afforded the space/time to land!
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They ran out of fuel.

You wouldn't think that sort of thing could happen in commercial aviation, but it does. And the Colombians, apparently, excel at it. Some may remember the crash of Avianca 52 in Cove Neck, Long Island, after the tanks ran dry on approach to JFK - January, 1990.

Fuel starvation crashes have a very unique and highly identifiable signature - no fire.
 
Reminds me a little of the movie "Alive" about the Uruguay Rugby team that crashes high up in the Andes, and a few of the survivors some how trek down the snow capped mountains to civilization and get rescuers up to get the rest. Very good movie.

 
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They ran out of fuel.

You wouldn't think that sort of thing could happen in commercial aviation, but it does. And the Colombians, apparently, excel at it. Some may remember the crash of Avianca 52 in Cove Neck, Long Island, after the tanks ran dry on approach to JFK - January, 1990.

Fuel starvation crashes have a very unique and highly identifiable signature - no fire.
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Right, understood the "fuel" part already (which I forgot to put in there earlier...stressing out watching hoops) - just hadn't heard the part about the requests to air control. Crazy if true.
 
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Right, understood the "fuel" part already (which I forgot to put in there earlier...stressing out watching hoops) - just hadn't heard the part about the requests to air control. Crazy if true.
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They never declared an emergency. There was, apparently, discussion about the fuel status of the aircraft but they never declared an emergency to air traffic control.

Lacking a formal declaration of an emergency, air traffic control would have no specific understanding of the gravity of the problem and would not offer priority consideration.

Proper cockpit management requires that an emergency be declared in this situation.

Ironically, the aforementioned Avanca 52 crashed under precisely the same circumstances - the pilots knew they didn't have enough fuel on board the aircraft to effect a normally routed approach to JFK, they advised New York Approach that they were "low on fuel" but never actually declared an emergency and, in so (not) doing, disguised the true nature of their situation.
 
RU4Real said:
They never declared an emergency. There was, apparently, discussion about the fuel status of the aircraft but they never declared an emergency to air traffic control.

Lacking a formal declaration of an emergency, air traffic control would have no specific understanding of the gravity of the problem and would not offer priority consideration.

Proper cockpit management requires that an emergency be declared in this situation.

Ironically, the aforementioned Avanca 52 crashed under precisely the same circumstances - the pilots knew they didn't have enough fuel on board the aircraft to effect a normally routed approach to JFK, they advised New York Approach that they were "low on fuel" but never actually declared an emergency and, in so (not) doing, disguised the true nature of their situation.
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No trying to argue - at all - but the pilot requesting an "immediate landing due to complete loss of power and lack of fuel" isn't "declaring an emergency"? Yikes, if so (unless, obviously, that report is inaccurate...)! I have no idea so thanks for the input.
 
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RU4Real said:
They ran out of fuel.

You wouldn't think that sort of thing could happen in commercial aviation, but it does. And the Colombians, apparently, excel at it. Some may remember the crash of Avianca 52 in Cove Neck, Long Island, after the tanks ran dry on approach to JFK - January, 1990.

Fuel starvation crashes have a very unique and highly identifiable signature - no fire.
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Except that the plane was not a colombian plane
 
Abro1975 said:
Reminds me a little of the movie "Alive" about the Uruguay Rugby team that crashes high up in the Andes, and a few of the survivors some how trek down the snow capped mountains to civilization and get rescuers up to get the rest. Very good movie.

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That movie and "We are Marshall" were the first things I immediately though of-pre posting. Think I may have read the book in high or grade school.
 
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No trying to argue - at all - but the pilot requesting an "immediate landing due to complete loss of power and lack of fuel" isn't "declaring an emergency"? Yikes, if so (unless, obviously, that report is inaccurate...)! I have no idea so thanks for the input.
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I haven't heard a transcript yet, so I can't comment on the timing. I will say that declaring an emergency is a very formal and specific thing and is done by saying "We are declaring an emergency" and then changing your transponder code to 7700.

If he has no power, he shouldn't be wasting time requesting an immediate landing because he's not getting to the airport. He should be spending his time looking for someplace to put the plane down without making too much of a mess.
 
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AreYouNUTS said:
SIAP: apparently pilot requested, more than once, for an "immediate landing due to complete loss of electrical failure and lack of fuel" WOW if true and they weren't afforded the space/time to land!
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It would not have made a difference. They never made it to the airport. The problem was pilot error. He passed the airport where he had an option to refuel.
 
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