OT: Rutgers to Vote on Plan to Rename Parts of Campus for Former Slaves

[Scarlet_Scourge]

"It includes renaming a walkway Will's Walkway for a slave who helped lay the foundation; renaming a 14-story apartment complex the Sojourner Truth Apartments for the abolitionist who was originally owned by the father of Rutgers' first president; and renaming a library on the Piscataway campus to the James Dickson Carr Library for the school's first African American graduate."

Source: Rutgers to Vote on Plan to Rename Parts of Campus for Former Slaves | NBC New York http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand#ixzz4Y16uCZL6

 

[ngrant]

"It includes renaming a walkway Will's Walkway for a slave who helped lay the foundation; renaming a 14-story apartment complex the Sojourner Truth Apartments for the abolitionist who was originally owned by the father of Rutgers' first president; and renaming a library on the Piscataway campus to the James Dickson Carr Library for the school's first African American graduate."

Source: Rutgers to Vote on Plan to Rename Parts of Campus for Former Slaves | NBC New York http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand#ixzz4Y16uCZL6

Civilization doesn't need any more reminders of the times when it was less moral than today. Do that in a history class.

 

[AdamsGarden]

"It includes renaming a walkway Will's Walkway for a slave who helped lay the foundation; renaming a 14-story apartment complex the Sojourner Truth Apartments for the abolitionist who was originally owned by the father of Rutgers' first president; and renaming a library on the Piscataway campus to the James Dickson Carr Library for the school's first African American graduate."

Source: Rutgers to Vote on Plan to Rename Parts of Campus for Former Slaves | NBC New York http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand#ixzz4Y16uCZL6

Sliding quickly passed the notion that re-naming these structures as this group wants will do nothing to remove the stain nor nothing to advance the disadvantaged…I just hate the idea of ‘giving away’ naming opportunities when we are still trying to catch-up financially. These faculty members should be helping out in securing a passionate donor who cares similarly about the cause to give a gift to rename the structure after those desired.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Sliding quickly passed the notion that re-naming these structures as this group wants will do nothing to remove the stain nor nothing to advance the disadvantaged…I just hate the idea of ‘giving away’ naming opportunities when we are still trying to catch-up financially. These faculty members should be helping out in securing a passionate donor who cares similarly about the cause to give a gift to rename the structure after those desired.

That would make a lot more business sense.

 

[RocktheRac]

Yes Yes I approve

 

[RUJohnny99]

No discussion of removing the name of the slave holder who bought perpetual naming rights to The University of New Jersey for 300 bucks?

 

[mdk01]

Sliding quickly passed the notion that re-naming these structures as this group wants will do nothing to remove the stain nor nothing to advance the disadvantaged…I just hate the idea of ‘giving away’ naming opportunities when we are still trying to catch-up financially. These faculty members should be helping out in securing a passionate donor who cares similarly about the cause to give a gift to rename the structure after those desired.

Faculty: "No worries, we'll just raise tuition"

 

[DJ Spanky]

I need to find out the names of the clans that my ancestors used to steal cattle from so that I can name my front steps and back patio after them.

 

[REDRICH65]

What bullshit !

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

only at RU and only in NJ.

 

[BlockR]

say whhaaaa????

 

[bac2therac]

in before this is moved to the current events board for real discussionn

 

[waretown]

in before this is moved to the current events board for real discussionn

how about local fallen heroes, our vets who died giving us the rights we have today

 

[CERU00]

Civilization doesn't need any more reminders of the times when it was less moral than today. Do that in a history class.

Less moral than today? I doubt it.

 

[beaced]

I need to find out the names of the clans that my ancestors used to steal cattle from so that I can name my front steps and back patio after them.

Don't mess with the Campbells.They'll make Chunky Soup out of you.

 

[Scarletwoman]

Civilization doesn't need any more reminders of the times when it was less moral than today. Do that in a history class.

No, we always have to be reminded and keep vigilant.

 

[BoroKnight]

I have no issue with the concept, but find the reality almost a bit silly. The walk one I like, since the person actually had a connection to the place. But in general, if you're going to name something for someone, that person either A. should be a big-ass donor or B. should have done something worthy of being honored that directly affects either the university or the state of New Jersey. No matter how worthy a person Sojourner Truth might be, someone -- of any color -- directly connected to Rutgers or New Jersey is more appropriate.

 

[Scarlet Jerry]

I would support renaming the library in honor of Carr as the first African American graduate. I don't support the naming of the apartments - we should save that for an important donor opportunity. As far as noting any university ties to slavery, that should be acknowledged with an educational exhibition in the library vs a campus marker. How can we contact the Board of Governors? We would need to send emails tonight.

Wouldn't it be better to name and fund scholarships for African-Americans students rather than putting markers on campus? That seems like a better way to honor any Rutgers ties to slavery.

Scarlet Jerry

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I would support renaming the library in honor of Carr as the first African American graduate. I don't support the naming of the apartments - we should save that for an important donor opportunity. As far as noting any university ties to slavery, that should be acknowledged with an educational exhibition in the library vs a campus marker. How can we contact the Board of Governors? We would need to send emails tonight.

Wouldn't it be better to name and fund scholarships for African-Americans students rather than putting markers on campus? That seems like a better way to honor any Rutgers ties to slavery.

Scarlet Jerry

Excellent post IMHO.

 

[ashokan]

Cool. Nice too see a couple old Republican friends getting honors in NJ

 

[theRU]

If anybody from Rutgers reads this... WE NEED MONEY. Do not give away any naming rights. Its not much but i'll donate 5k if you want to rename the Effing walkway in my name.

 

[NotInRHouse]

How is this controversial?

There are lots of buildings to name after donors. First they have to donate...

 

[Upstream]

How is this controversial?

There are lots of buildings to name after donors. First they have to donate...

True. It's not like there are too many people lining up to donate money, and not enough buildings to name. If someone wants to donate money to have a building named after them, Rutgers will find a building.

 

[LevaosLectures]

I need to find out the names of the clans that my ancestors used to steal cattle from so that I can name my front steps and back patio after them.

Pathetic.

 

[RUJohnny99]

"renaming a 14-story apartment complex the Sojourner Truth Apartments for the abolitionist who was originally owned by the father of Rutgers' first president;

Sojourner Truth was born in 1797.
Hardenburgh's father died in 1786.

Both of these events occured 150 miles away from Rutgers campus, and there is no proof either of them ever set foot in New Jersey.

 

[theRU]

I would support renaming the library in honor of Carr as the first African American graduate. I don't support the naming of the apartments - we should save that for an important donor opportunity. As far as noting any university ties to slavery, that should be acknowledged with an educational exhibition in the library vs a campus marker. How can we contact the Board of Governors? We would need to send emails tonight.

Wouldn't it be better to name and fund scholarships for African-Americans students rather than putting markers on campus? That seems like a better way to honor any Rutgers ties to slavery.

Scarlet Jerry

agree with this 10000000%

 

[LevaosLectures]

I would support renaming the library in honor of Carr as the first African American graduate. I don't support the naming of the apartments - we should save that for an important donor opportunity. As far as noting any university ties to slavery, that should be acknowledged with an educational exhibition in the library vs a campus marker. How can we contact the Board of Governors? We would need to send emails tonight.

Wouldn't it be better to name and fund scholarships for African-Americans students rather than putting markers on campus? That seems like a better way to honor any Rutgers ties to slavery.

Scarlet Jerry

Luckily, random white dude on the Internet doesn't get to decide the appropiate way to memorialize the unjust suffering of blacks.

 

[LevaosLectures]

Sojourner Truth was born in 1797.
Hardenburgh's father died in 1786.

Both of these events occured 150 miles away from Rutgers campus, and there is no proof either of them ever set foot in New Jersey.

Because there are very few slaves whose names are actually known. Most of them lived and died as faceless chattel.

 

[koleszar]

Luckily, random white dude on the Internet doesn't get to decide the appropiate way to memorialize the unjust suffering of blacks.

Why is every white dude guilty by association when it comes to slavery? My ancestor's weren't even here when this stuff transpired. They were in Poland and Hungry until the Nazi's kicked the sh*t out of them . Yet somehow because I'm Caucasian I'm guilty of contributing to slavery?

 

[LevaosLectures]

Why is every white dude guilty by association when it comes to slavery? My ancestor's weren't even here when this stuff transpired. They were in Poland and Hungry until the Nazi's kicked the sh*t out of them . Yet somehow because I'm Caucasian I'm guilty of contributing to slavery?

Who are you yelling at, geezer? Nobody said any of those things to you.

But since you brought it up...you as an individual are not guilty of slavery. The United States of America is, however, guilty. Of slavery. Of Jim Crow. Of redlining. The whole ball of wax. You need to accept that and stop whining.

 

[T2Kplus10]

"It includes renaming a walkway Will's Walkway for a slave who helped lay the foundation; renaming a 14-story apartment complex the Sojourner Truth Apartments for the abolitionist who was originally owned by the father of Rutgers' first president; and renaming a library on the Piscataway campus to the James Dickson Carr Library for the school's first African American graduate."

Source: Rutgers to Vote on Plan to Rename Parts of Campus for Former Slaves | NBC New York http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand#ixzz4Y16uCZL6

PC culture still running wild at Red Rutgers.

 

[LevaosLectures]

PC culture still running wild at Red Rutgers.

Boy you said it Adolph!

 

[Scarlet Jerry]

Luckily, random white dude on the Internet doesn't get to decide the appropiate way to memorialize the unjust suffering of blacks.

LevaosLectures keeps making assumptions about the identities and ideologies of posters on this thread. I don't know why she is so angry.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I would support renaming the library in honor of Carr as the first African American graduate. I don't support the naming of the apartments - we should save that for an important donor opportunity. As far as noting any university ties to slavery, that should be acknowledged with an educational exhibition in the library vs a campus marker. How can we contact the Board of Governors? We would need to send emails tonight.

Wouldn't it be better to name and fund scholarships for African-Americans students rather than putting markers on campus? That seems like a better way to honor any Rutgers ties to slavery.

Scarlet Jerry

I like this idea. Scholarships named after them actually makes a real world difference that would help people today and for years to come.Giving away naming rights for free doesn't really do anything but cost Rutgers money. Naming the library after the 1st black graduate from Rutgers would be a touching and great gesture that everyone can get behind, IMHO.

 

[miker183]

I would support renaming the library in honor of Carr as the first African American graduate. I don't support the naming of the apartments - we should save that for an important donor opportunity. As far as noting any university ties to slavery, that should be acknowledged with an educational exhibition in the library vs a campus marker. How can we contact the Board of Governors? We would need to send emails tonight.

Wouldn't it be better to name and fund scholarships for African-Americans students rather than putting markers on campus? That seems like a better way to honor any Rutgers ties to slavery.

Scarlet Jerry

I also agree with this. The library would be named after an alumni that blazed a trail, for lack of a better term.

Dedicating scholarships would be forward thinking, which is kind of the point really; we can't change the past, but we can use it to be better going forward. Scholarships would assist in making student's futures better.

 

[RU4Real]

Who are you yelling at, geezer? Nobody said any of those things to you.

But since you brought it up...you as an individual are not guilty of slavery. The United States of America is, however, guilty. Of slavery. Of Jim Crow. Of redlining. The whole ball of wax. You need to accept that and stop whining.

Please describe for the class everything that you've done to correct the injustices of the past.

 

[jtung230]

Naming rights for passionate donors? You know we are talking about Rutgers right? This argument is so laughable.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Luckily, random white dude on the Internet doesn't get to decide the appropiate way to memorialize the unjust suffering of blacks.

oh Jesus, you need a reality check or some sugar for your cornflakes.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

I would support renaming the library in honor of Carr as the first African American graduate. I don't support the naming of the apartments - we should save that for an important donor opportunity. As far as noting any university ties to slavery, that should be acknowledged with an educational exhibition in the library vs a campus marker. How can we contact the Board of Governors? We would need to send emails tonight.

Wouldn't it be better to name and fund scholarships for African-Americans students rather than putting markers on campus? That seems like a better way to honor any Rutgers ties to slavery.

Scarlet Jerry

agree with first part, only the second if there is a scholarship for white males that honors the tremendous sacrifice of our forefathers who fought and died to help end slavery.

that said, there is already more than enough scholarships and grants aimed at black students. Enough is enough, like MLK said, keep the chains of the past that hold you down or break free.

 

[jtung230]

MLL said scholarships are chains?