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OT: Turns out the Jan-16 blizzard was the greatest snowfall ever in Central Park

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Don't have time to dredge up the old thread, but I recall being dumbfounded that CPK didn't break the record that evening, when they were so close and it looked like another inch fell, but the total didn't increase. Turns out there were some measuring/reporting issues and now the final tally is 27.5", not the 26.8" originally reported, breaking the old record of 26.9". Lots of other measuring issues in the attached report (see finding #3 for the NYC observation). Shenanigans, lol.

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/os/assessments/pdfs/2016_blizzard_snowfall_evaluation.pdf
 
bac2therac said:
Because its spring...temps are always up and down..the avg is only 67..remember the warm days get balanced out by cooler ones...so this weather is typical of the spring yoyo
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It seems it should be warmer by now. Don't recall putting on an extra layer for running/biking so close to April. But compared to last spring, we are relatively lucky.
 
Let me guess, cold weather is a telltale sign of global warming...

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In Newark, the average April high temp is just 62 degrees, and the average May high temp is just 72 degrees (nighttime lows are 44 in April and 53 in May) The high is 58 today - is that really so cool?
 
Can't measure snow.

But can definitely tell us what the weather is going to be 100 years from now.
 
Maybe NYC is really becoming a Syracuse town.
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Changing the snowfall total now is like when the change an error into a hot days after the game is played. Smells bogus to me.
 
Hmmmmmmm........should I just go ahead and do some preemptive banning?
 
RUChoppin said:
In Newark, the average April high temp is just 62 degrees, and the average May high temp is just 72 degrees (nighttime lows are 44 in April and 53 in May) The high is 58 today - is that really so cool?
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Kind of misleading to use monthly averages for months, like April, that are transitional. On 4/1 the avg high/low is 56/36F vs 67/44F on 4/30 - kind of a big difference. Also, the monthly average low is 40F, not 44F. Despite it being cool today and very cool early in the month, April is still on target to be a couple of degrees warmer than normal.

Also, no idea why anyone invokes global warming, which is about long term climate, when talking about the day to day weather. The two are almost completely unrelated and it makes people look uneducated to do so. Global warming from man made CO2 is real; however, the future severity of it and what to do about it are fair game for debate.
 
RU848789 said:
Kind of misleading to use monthly averages for months, like April, that are transitional. On 4/1 the avg high/low is 56/36F vs 67/44F on 4/30 - kind of a big difference. Also, the monthly average low is 40F, not 44F. Despite it being cool today and very cool early in the month, April is still on target to be a couple of degrees warmer than normal.
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Was just going by this site for Newark: http://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/new-jersey/united-states/3200

Curious that the average for 4/30 would be 67, but the average for all of May would be lower than that.
 
Knight Shift said:
It seems it should be warmer by now. Don't recall putting on an extra layer for running/biking so close to April. But compared to last spring, we are relatively lucky.
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We hit 80 the other day..last week temps were in the 70s. you are pushing the seasons...summer pattern of nice weathervsometimes wont set in until June. get used to cool and went the next 7-10 days..such Is spring
 
RU848789 said:
Global warming from man made CO2 is real; however, the future severity of it and what to do about it are fair game for debate.
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Hmm, not sure this is entirely accurate then again not sure I want to debate a weather guru, especially one as friendly as RU848789 :)
I guess I am one of those stubborn scientists that just does not buy into Global warming being entirely (largely) attributed to humans. Given all the noise around NASA, NOAA and government funded global warming research for me to "follow' the crowd and accept there is no political interest in Global warming.
 
RUChoppin said:
Was just going by this site for Newark: http://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/new-jersey/united-states/3200

Curious that the average for 4/30 would be 67, but the average for all of May would be lower than that.
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You lost me. The May average high on that site is 72F (and the daily avg highs on another site for May are 67F on 5/1 and 76F on 5/31, which correlates well with 72F overall for the month), whereas the 4/30 average high I posted above is 67F.

By the way, the 44F you quoted for the monthly April average low in Newark is correct (I looked at your link and also checked the AccuWeather site I was looking at). I was looking at New Brunswick and assuming they'd be the same, which was incorrect, surprisingly. High temps are generally identical, but the Newark lows are 3-4F higher every day than NB. I'm guessing these are only 30 year averages and the difference is the urban heat island effect being a fair amount stronger in Newark.
 
RU848789 said:
You lost me. The May average high on that site is 72F (and the daily avg highs on another site for May are 67F on 5/1 and 76F on 5/31, which correlates well with 72F overall for the month), whereas the 4/30 average high I posted above is 67F.

By the way, the 44F you quoted for the monthly April average low in Newark is correct (I looked at your link and also checked the AccuWeather site I was looking at). I was looking at New Brunswick and assuming they'd be the same, which was incorrect, surprisingly. High temps are generally identical, but the Newark lows are 3-4F higher every day than NB. I'm guessing these are only 30 year averages and the difference is the urban heat island effect being a fair amount stronger in Newark.
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Don't worry, I lost me, too. Went back to read what I wrote and was like, wtf? Sorry... wish I could say I was drunk, but posted that while I was working. >.<
 
How could today being cold be an argument to mock global warming/climate change, but it being 75 on Christmas Eve, or ~80 two weeks ago, not be equally as valid an argument for it? I cannot wrap my head around the short-sightedness of that. I get there is perhaps some sliver of debate left on the issue, but that is such a stupid counter argument that I really hope no one takes themselves seriously on it.
 
hrdcorhays said:
How could today being cold be an argument to mock global warming/climate change, but it being 75 on Christmas Eve, or ~80 two weeks ago, not be equally as valid an argument for it? I cannot wrap my head around the short-sightedness of that. I get there is perhaps some sliver of debate left on the issue, but that is such a stupid counter argument that I really hope no one takes themselves seriously on it.
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Well yesterday and today are 6-8 degrees under the average temperature, so obviously Global Warming, er, "Climate Change", is something certain scientists make up to justify their government funding.
 
hrdcorhays said:
How could today being cold be an argument to mock global warming/climate change, but it being 75 on Christmas Eve, or ~80 two weeks ago, not be equally as valid an argument for it? I cannot wrap my head around the short-sightedness of that. I get there is perhaps some sliver of debate left on the issue, but that is such a stupid counter argument that I really hope no one takes themselves seriously on it.
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People on both sides of the debate confuse weather and climate all the time and it's just as wrong for someone to point to a hot day/week as "proof" of GW as it is for someone to point to a cold day/week as proof GW is "wrong."
 
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We're just repeating the 1967 pattern when it didn't get cold until St.Patrick's Day and remained very cool until Memorial Day.
 
I'm cool with someone confusing "weather" with "climate," but could you at least please tell everyone you went to Syracuse instead of Rutgers?
 
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