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P5 HC/OC/DC Firings- UCLA Fires First Year OC

Knight Shift said:
That's not true. A lot of of UCLA fans wanted Mora gone too. Mora is under contract through the 2021 season and would be owed a buyout of $14.76 million, which is 80 percent of what remains on his contract.
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I think it's all relative. UCLA is not Texas but we are no where near UCLA.
 
Knight Shift said:
Think the California state schools are under a fair amount of fiscal pressure. Cal Berkeley has more pressure than UCLA though.
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Trust me, Texas isn't counting on state aid. Athletic programs rely on donations and revenues.
 
mikemarc1 said:
I'll take your word for it..but putting "first-year" OC in the title might make people think u r posting this for other purposes.
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Was surprised they made him the victim--UCLA switched from power spread to pro style this year after their previous OC left for Texas A&M. Not really fair to the guy they fired, particularly after their starting QB went down.
 
Knight Shift said:
That's not true. A lot of of UCLA fans wanted Mora gone too. Mora is under contract through the 2021 season and would be owed a buyout of $14.76 million, which is 80 percent of what remains on his contract.
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That's the problem these days, ADs hand out contract extensions/boosts like candy just at the first hint of any success. Kingsbury is like 13-23 in the B12 and under .500 overall and the AD gave him a vote of confidence. You think that's because of the results? Not likely, it's because he handed him out a huge contract with guaranteed money and I think 9M left on it.

Let them go if these coaches want to leave. Do they think they're letting the next Saban or Meyer leave? Yea sometimes a good job does leave but more times than not I see ADs stuck with huge contracts. Do your job as AD and find the next guy who is capable. I mean for the Texas (Strong 10M) and LSU (Miles 10M+) it doesn't matter like it does to a school like us but if I was their boss I'd fire the ADs who dole out these wasteful contracts. Just because you have the money doesn't mean you should be so frivolous with it.
 
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rutgersguy1 said:
That's the problem these days, ADs hand out contract extensions/boosts like candy just at the first hint of any success. Kingsbury is like 13-23 in the B12 and under .500 overall and the AD gave him a vote of confidence. You think that's because of the results? Not likely, it's because he handed him out a huge contract with guaranteed money and I think 9M left on it.

Let them go if these coaches want to leave. Do they think they're letting the next Saban or Meyer leave? Yea sometimes a good job does leave but more times than not I see ADs stuck with huge contracts. Do your job as AD and find the next guy who is capable. I mean for the Texas (Strong 10M) and LSU (Miles 10M+) it doesn't matter like it does to a school like us but if I was their boss I'd fire the ADs who dole out these wasteful contracts. Just because you have the money doesn't mean you should be so frivolous with it.
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I think a lot of the extensions are more about recruiting. If a coach doesn't have 3 or more years on their contract it becomes harder to recruit. Other schools will use that against them that they may not be there the whole time the recruit is(which happens with or without the extensions). It is about perception as much as anything.
 
PITT hired a new OC this year and he guided them to one of their best Offensive years ever.
 
RU#1fan said:
PITT hired a new OC this year and he guided them to one of their best Offensive years ever.
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Pitt was forced to hire a new OC this year because their previous one bolted for Georgia. Narduzzi wanted to keep the previous one. So, Narduzzi kind of got lucky with that one.

Maybe you will get your wish and Tom Hermann will call Drew for a job at Texas.
 
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Not a P5 firing, but San Jose State fired their HC- possible replacements per ESPN are Notre Dame co-OC Mike Sanford, Washington OC Jonathan Smith, Washington co-DC Jimmy Lake, Wisconsin DC Justin Wilcox.
 
For those of you who would like to read something interesting, here's something that appeared in the Times today about head coaching and experience. According to the author, finding the right head coach makes all the difference - which is nothing new. However, he cites a survey indicating that coaches with previous head-coaching experience were more successful than first time coaches who only had coordinator-level experience. I should point out that the author was looking almost exclusively at top tier programs and not a broad section of programs. Still, an interesting read:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/27/s...on&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=0
 
BeantownKnight said:
For those of you who would like to read something interesting, here's something that appeared in the Times today about head coaching and experience. According to the author, finding the right head coach makes all the difference - which is nothing new. However, he cites a survey indicating that coaches with previous head-coaching experience were more successful than first time coaches who only had coordinator-level experience. I should point out that the author was looking almost exclusively at top tier programs and not a broad section of programs. Still, an interesting read:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/27/s...on&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=0
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Has the NY Times reported the Presidential Election results yet? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
BeantownKnight said:
For those of you who would like to read something interesting, here's something that appeared in the Times today about head coaching and experience. According to the author, finding the right head coach makes all the difference - which is nothing new. However, he cites a survey indicating that coaches with previous head-coaching experience were more successful than first time coaches who only had coordinator-level experience. I should point out that the author was looking almost exclusively at top tier programs and not a broad section of programs. Still, an interesting read:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/27/s...on&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=0
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Yes, elite schools were focus of article. But he mentioned a non-elite school where the head coach was a DC with no HC experience and has been very successful:
Gary Patterson-TCU

On flip side, Hazell had HC experience and failed at Purdue.
Charlie Strong failed too with prior HC experience.
 
Knight Shift said:
Has the NY Times reported the Presidential Election results yet? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
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Perhaps I should elaborate more clearly. The authors argument was that those with previous head-coaching experience (at smaller or non-elite programs) have more success when hired at big/elite programs than those who were previously employed as coordinators at top tier schools.

Yes Knight Shift, you are correct. And there are outliers everywhere. However the thrust of the argument was that this is a more common occurrence than not.

It's interesting that neither Schiano, Flood, or Ash never held a head-coaching job before Rutgers. Obviously, that would not be the determining factor as to whether each would be successful. One could even make the argument that Flood may have not been as successful because, even though he was learning on the job - just as Ash is, he did not have enough assistants on his staff with enough head-coaching experience, themselves, whom he could learn from. That may be the difference between whether Ash will be more successful. Just a thought.
 
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BeantownKnight said:
Perhaps I should elaborate more clearly. The authors argument was that those with previous head-coaching experience (at smaller or non-elite programs) have more success when hired at big/elite programs than those who were previously employed as coordinators at top tier schools.

Yes Knight Shift, you are correct. And there are outliers everywhere. However the thrust of the argument was that this is a more common occurrence than not.

It's interesting that neither Schiano, Flood, or Ash never held a head-coaching job before Rutgers. Obviously, that would not be the determining factor as to whether each would be successful. One could even make the argument that Flood may have not been as successful because, even though he was learning on the job - just as Ash is, he did not have enough assistants on his staff with enough head-coaching experience, themselves, whom he could learn from. That may be the difference between whether Ash will be more successful. Just a thought.
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Yeah, but we are not elite, so it is not a problem. {sarcasm}

Well, we have some good news, if Twitter is correct- RU is rumored to have hired Charlie Partridge as Associate Head Coach--he was just fired as FAU's head coach.
 
Knight Shift said:
Yeah, but we are not elite, so it is not a problem. {sarcasm}

Well, we have some good news, if Twitter is correct- RU is rumored to have hired Charlie Partridge as Associate Head Coach--he was just fired as FAU's head coach.
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I see questions on twitter, but nothing substantive yet. If true, I do not see that as good news at all.
 
Knight Shift said:
Pitt was forced to hire a new OC this year because their previous one bolted for Georgia. Narduzzi wanted to keep the previous one. So, Narduzzi kind of got lucky with that one.

Maybe you will get your wish and Tom Hermann will call Drew for a job at Texas.
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No, Tom is too smart for that.
 
huskersalways said:
I think a lot of the extensions are more about recruiting. If a coach doesn't have 3 or more years on their contract it becomes harder to recruit. Other schools will use that against them that they may not be there the whole time the recruit is(which happens with or without the extensions). It is about perception as much as anything.
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Some might be but I think most are a result of an AD worried about a coach leaving after the slightest hint of success. Mike London at UVA is one that comes to mind, Klingsbury at TT is also one. Just let them go if it comes to it. On top of which, extension is one thing but they not only get the extension they get the boost in money too. If you're going to do either or both, don't guarantee it and keep the buyout manageable. I don't sense much fiscal responsibility or frankly business acumen when it comes to coaching contracts.
 
RU#1fan said:
No, Tom is too smart for that.
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People like to make jokes but regardless of what the geniuses here think DM is extremely well thought of in coaching circles. If Houston hires from within don't be surprised if he's offered their OC job. Probably for more money as well.
 
RU#1fan said:
No, Tom is too smart for that.
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People like to make jokes but regardless of what the geniuses here think DM is extremely well thought of in coaching circles. If Houston hires from within don't be surprised if he's offered their OC job. Probably for more money as well.
 
Knight Shift said:
Was surprised they made him the victim--UCLA switched from power spread to pro style this year after their previous OC left for Texas A&M. Not really fair to the guy they fired, particularly after their starting QB went down.
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shoot, couldn't we have just exchanged some players?
 
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