Pike in the Film Room

[BillyC80]

Pike:
“Ok men, what you’re gonna see here is that these guys are tough to defend, because they run a lot of screens, hard cuts, and lots of motion to get players open for good looks. Any questions?”

Player:
“Hey coach, if that’s so hard to defend, why don’t we do that too?”

Pike:
“Next question.”

 

[MCKnight2004]

In a similar situation, how do we not ever improve on baseline out of bounds? We throw the ball in to the backcourt more than any team I’ve ever seen. BLOBs are taught and practiced daily at every playing level. It’s been an issue even when Paul Mulcahy, a smart good passer, would often inbound with turnovers.

 

[RAC93]

In a similar situation, how do we not ever improve on baseline out of bounds? We throw the ball in to the backcourt more than any team I’ve ever seen. BLOBs are taught and practiced daily at every playing level. It’s been an issue even when Paul Mulcahy, a smart good passer, would often inbound with turnovers.

Truly insane to think that inbounding the ball, inbounds plays and inbound passing is a program issue, but here we are as this has gone on for years. It cost us the NCAA ND Play-In game. Our real krytptonite is the baseline inbounds when the inbounder can’t move on the baseline, lord are we bad at those plays.

 

[stribucher]

Pike:
“Ok men, what you’re gonna see here is that these guys are tough to defend, because they run a lot of screens, hard cuts, and lots of motion to get players open for good looks. Any questions?”

Player:
“Hey coach, if that’s so hard to defend, why don’t we do that too?”

Pike:
“Next question.”

One of my major complaints about Pike not running an offense. He runs a Horns set and when that does not work just wing it.

 

[RUJMM78]

Pike:
“Ok men, what you’re gonna see here is that these guys are tough to defend, because they run a lot of screens, hard cuts, and lots of motion to get players open for good looks. Any questions?”

Player:
“Hey coach, if that’s so hard to defend, why don’t we do that too?”

Pike:
“Next question.”

I like your sense of humor which is needed this season and so many previous seasons.

 

[rubaseball78]

In a similar situation, how do we not ever improve on baseline out of bounds? We throw the ball in to the backcourt more than any team I’ve ever seen. BLOBs are taught and practiced daily at every playing level. It’s been an issue even when Paul Mulcahy, a smart good passer, would often inbound with turnovers.

I'm disgusted by our inbounds plays. There is never real movement until it's panic time and no one makes hard cuts.

 

[winfield102]

In a similar situation, how do we not ever improve on baseline out of bounds? We throw the ball in to the backcourt more than any team I’ve ever seen. BLOBs are taught and practiced daily at every playing level. It’s been an issue even when Paul Mulcahy, a smart good passer, would often inbound with turnovers.

What bothered me about Paul is that he wouldn't pass it to the 1st guy that was open(and he saw they were open). He'd then look elsewhere and get himself into a pickle.

 

[kupuna133]

One of my major complaints about Pike not running an offense. He runs a Horns set and when that does not work just wing it.

Hate horns as a primary set. Situationally I get it especially with Dylan. Height and handling advantage but with our other primary ball handlers it’s a risk that far outweighs the reward. All the 2 high screeners do is bring 2 extra defenders to the ball in a confined space it’s a double team nightmare.

 

[BillyC80]

What bothered me about Paul is that he wouldn't pass it to the 1st guy that was open(and he saw they were open). He then look elsewhere and get himself into a pickle.

This is Derk’s m-o too.

That play where he drove into the paint, hesitated, and got tied up for a possession-arrow turnover was absolutely maddening.

In basketball, you hesitate you lose.

 

[richthedentist]

Truly insane to think that inbounding the ball, inbounds plays and inbound passing is a program issue, but here we are as this has gone on for years. It cost us the NCAA ND Play-In game. Our real krytptonite is the baseline inbounds when the inbounder can’t move on the baseline, lord are we bad at those plays.

Wasn’t Pikell who said I can’t remember who but he couldn’t play till he learned our 25 inbound s plays a few years ago
Pikell has never had any inbounds plays and then again we don’t have any offensive plays either

 

[jerzeyguy]

Just hire me as the next HC. I'll do it for cheap, and hire all my assistants from this board. We know it all, so what he could go wrong

 

[zappaa]

Just hire me as the next HC. I'll do it for cheap, and hire all my assistants from this board. We know it all, so what he could go wrong

Unless you threw the ball into your own basket, any inbound plays you come up with couldn’t produce worse results.😊

 

[MCKnight2004]

Wasn’t Pikell who said I can’t remember who but he couldn’t play till he learned our 25 inbound s plays a few years ago
Pikell has never had any inbounds plays and then again we don’t have any offensive plays either

Like a simple stack on BLOB, never once have I seen that in his 9 years. A box, a stack, a line, give us something. There’s never any movement until the 4th second

 

[BillyC80]

Like a simple stack on BLOB, never once have I seen that in his 9 years. A box, a stack, a line, give us something. There’s never any movement until the 4th second

Other teams also have scoring plays out of a BLOB. I can only remember one time we scored from there, on a Dylan feed to Ace for a slam.

Throwing the ball into your own backcourt is a horrendous failure and a missed scoring opportunity.

 

[RUBlackout]

Like a simple stack on BLOB, never once have I seen that in his 9 years. A box, a stack, a line, give us something. There’s never any movement until the 4th second

Like like like!

This isn’t a one year blip….this is over the 9yrs he has been here!!

Jaden Jones was the player who couldn’t see the floor due to inbounds plays. Think about how bad he had to be to not understand how to get a turnover or 5 second call as our go to play

 

[Shelby65]

Pike:
“Ok men, what you’re gonna see here is that these guys are tough to defend, because they run a lot of screens, hard cuts, and lots of motion to get players open for good looks. Any questions?”

Player:
“Hey coach, if that’s so hard to defend, why don’t we do that too?”

Pike:
“Next question.”

Don't you think Pike recognizes all this ? He knows the game better than anyone here. He's been playing and coaching for 55+ years.

Again, we don't do it because these players can't. They are poor passers and even less talented at receiving and finishing. They can't bounce pass. They can't pass high. Half have bad hands.. That's not what our ballhandlers are remotely good at. Our iso offense gives us the best chance to win due to the players' strengths. I remember recently Derkack tried to pass to a cutting player and it was 5 feet behind him. Did you see Grant pass right to an Iowa player ? Sommerville would pass out from exhaustion if he moved for 5 consecutive seconds.

James Naismith would vomit and then roll over in his grave if Davis attempted to pass to Derkack for a shot. Motion offense with this team would be hideous, worse than what you see now by far.

Pike made his bed with the skills set of our roster, and he's forced to sleep on it. Blame him for the unskilled team, but not for the iso offense. It's the best for our roster.

Analogy: swim team coach has a freestyle swimmer compete in butterfly. same result if Pike has these players run motion offense. they can't.

 

[soundcrib]

One of my major complaints about Pike not running an offense. He runs a Horns set and when that does not work just wing it.

Funny thing he’s actually ran fewer horns this season.

 

[BillyC80]

Don't you think Pike recognizes all this ? He knows the game better than anyone here. He's been playing and coaching for 55+ years.

Again, we don't do it because these players can't. They are poor passers and even less talented at receiving and finishing. They can't bounce pass. They can't pass high. Half have bad hands.. That's not what our ballhandlers are remotely good at. Our iso offense gives us the best chance to win due to the players' strengths. I remember recently Derkack tried to pass to a cutting player and it was 5 feet behind him. Did you see Grant pass right to an Iowa player ? Sommerville would pass out from exhaustion if he moved for 5 consecutive seconds.

James Naismith would vomit and then roll over in his grave if Davis attempted to pass to Derkack for a shot. Motion offense with this team would be hideous, worse than what you see now by far.

Pike made his bed with the skills set of our roster, and he's forced to sleep on it. Blame him for the unskilled team, but not for the iso offense. It's the best for our roster.

Analogy: swim team coach has a freestyle swimmer compete in butterfly. same result if Pike has these players run motion offense. they can't.

You could look at it that way. The other possibility is they don’t find ways to free up guys to receive a pass, so most of our passes are forced into tight windows.

For Pike it should be similar to teaching defense, and it requires the same type of effort. Set screens, make hard cuts, keep your head up, be court aware and be ready to move at all times, either to an open space to receive a pass, or to set another screen.

 

[Shelby65]

You could look at it that way. The other possibility is they don’t find ways to free up guys to receive a pass, so most of our passes are forced into tight windows.

For Pike it should be similar to teaching defense, and it requires the same type of effort. Set screens, make hard cuts, keep your head up, be court aware and be ready to move at all times, either to an open space to receive a pass, or to set another screen.

OK, we all have opinions. Shelby's opinion is that Pike, a PG himself and basketball lifer along with his college PG and longtime sidekick, understand what the best offensive approach is for this roster. Clearly, they don't think it's preferrable to run motion offense and Shelby is explaining why.

Shelby doesn't think there's even just one player on the team capable of effective motion offense ball movement. Their strengths are jacking up streetball iso or two-man-game shots, evidenced by what Pike has them doing.

 

[RU MAN]

One of my major complaints about Pike not running an offense. He runs a Horns set and when that does not work just wing it.

The horns set is actually effective when used properly. It should allow for spacing, but the way Pikiell or Brandin Knight teach it, the F and C never seem to cut hard enough for the guard after seeing the screen where the guard either drives or dishes to a cutting big man or pass ro one of our wings for an open look.

Our set always seems to bottleneck and/or the defenders clog the space and the guard just dribbles around looking to pass out of it. Personally, I’ve seen it work to perfection, but not with us. Give me a motion offense like McCaffery any day of the week.

 

[kupuna133]

The horns set is actually effective when used properly. It should allow for spacing, but the way Pikiell or Brandin Knight teach it, the F and C never seem to cut hard enough for the guard after seeing the screen where the guard either drives or dishes to a cutting big man or pass ro one of our wings for an open look.

Our set always seems to bottleneck and/or the defenders clog the space and the guard just dribbles around looking to pass out of it. Personally, I’ve seen it work to perfection, but not with us. Give me a motion offense like McCaffery any day of the week.

The problem it is literally the only true set we run And the other issue is it’s being run like you say without proper spacing and too far away from the basket. Lending the cutting big man to be in a no man’s land, too far to be effective with an easy dribble lay up and beyond their mid range jumper, and too compact of spacing that doesn’t allow for an attacking dribble drive from the guard. I tell you there have been times where I thought we were risking a backcourt call because the spacing was so poor.

This roster screams for a proper motion offense. 2 dynamic athletes that don’t have a problem creating their own shot and multiple peoples that should be great screeners, 2 additional slashing type guards and multiple that have the ability to pass and hit jumpers with space.