Playing Laviano in this offense is waste of a Season

[BlockR]

one of the threat parts of Power spread is QBs ability to Run..
Laviano cant do that.

Laviano cant read a RB five yards up field on a roll out,and then takes a sack on sidelines.
Laviano cant do that.

Laviano had Harris wide open on a fly,threw the ball over the wrong shoulder.
Laviano cant do that..

Lavaino cant make read/pitch call outside tackle..Lavaino stopped at goal line
Laviano cant do that.

Lavaiano has WR wide open in endzone on opening drive from 15 yard line,throws ball wide and high.
Laviano cant do that.

Time to play others for the future at QB..and find some Linebackers also..they are never in postion,never make tackle.
tackles by Hester and Cioffi all day long NEVER a linebacker.

 

[Plum Street]

Totally agree . He's not even a good game manager .

 

[Ataylor1989x]

Dear armchair Francesas........He shows guts every game. That's why he's the starter. The team seems to be improving. If there was a better overall option against this schedule, they would use that option. Maybe that will happen during this season. Those of us not at every practice can't fairly judge this situation.

 

[RUinPAC10land]

Dear armchair Francesas........He shows guts every game. That's why he's the starter. The team seems to be improving. If there was a better overall option against this schedule, they would use that option. Maybe that will happen during this season. Those of us not at every practice can't fairly judge this situation.

Yea, don't question the coach. It's just silly to do so.

 

[billhilf]

Dear armchair Francesas........He shows guts every game. That's why he's the starter. The team seems to be improving. If there was a better overall option against this schedule, they would use that option. Maybe that will happen during this season. Those of us not at every practice can't fairly judge this situation.

I can't take these excuses anymore. if oden can't make the easy throws that Laviano misses, he would not have been a qb in high school. Time to put him in.

 

[RUwoz]

Oh look another new post about this, I bet this thread will make Ash change his mind!

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

My biggest concern are the talented skill guys that have committed or are thinking of doing so .Watching Lav cannot give them optimism for at least next year. Some may get happy feet like he has in the pocket and slide elsewhere. I certainly hope not but he is not what the face of this program should be .

 

[mattmac]

I absolutely agree. Someone in this thread actually said things are getting better each week. What game is he watching. We scored 7 points. Getting better?

You have zero reason not to at least give others an opportunity.

 

[BRKnightsFan]

Dear armchair Francesas........He shows guts every game. That's why he's the starter. The team seems to be improving. If there was a better overall option against this schedule, they would use that option. Maybe that will happen during this season. Those of us not at every practice can't fairly judge this situation.

Showing guts is great, but doesn't matter if you aren't getting the job done... And I think most would agree Laviano is not getting the job done, at all. He's a guy who has a full season as the starter under his belt. I think it's reasonable to expect a better level of performance from him. I do agree that we have to trust the coach's judgment that Laviano is the best choice we have... at least for now.

 

[BlockR]

Im certain Oden will play next week when the OSU game gets outa hand..will ASH let the youngster throw a damn pass or do we have to suffer threw a whole season of watching Laviano,take sacks,miss open recievers,throw the ball over the wrong shoulder,cant read a back 7 yards down field on a sprint out..same side of the field??????? ..even give Allen some reps..
glad Laviano is tough though and a practice hero!

 

[AreYouNUTS]

All you need to know:

- constantly overthrows and underthrows WIDE OPEN receivers

- still takes sacks when he can easily throw the ball away

- makes bad decisions on TD plays (okay, I'm just pissed about the 4th and goal....)

Bottom line, once again, is he's got to be the single best "practice QB" in the nation (IMHO).

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

We have never had a star QB but at times were able to get away with it. Not now. I have been patient because after a lifetime of frustration I am used to it and I really have no choice.If they cannot mold one of these pieces of clay from the other 5 on the roster plus Jonathan Lewis then this is our future for at least one more year. This kid is a D2 QB .At best.

 

[BRKnightsFan]

All you need to know:

- constantly overthrows and underthrows WIDE OPEN receivers

- still takes sacks when he can easily throw the ball away

- makes bad decisions on TD plays (okay, I'm just pissed about the 4th and goal....)

Bottom line, once again, is he's got to be the single best "practice QB" in the nation (IMHO).

Totally agree!

 

[lighty]

- still takes sacks when he can easily throw the ball away

Between one sack that took us out of FG position and the 4th and goal play, those are 10 points to win the game.

I'll give him credit on the TD pass though, that was nice. I just wish there were more plays you could look back and say, "that was a good pass." Unfortunately, it's generally the WR or RB making plays AFTER the catch for long receptions rather than a sharp pass from Laviano.

IMO, this was the PERFECT game to have Tylin actually throw a pass. Everybody in the stadium (and apparently the announcers) felt he was only in there to run...

 

[ru75]

My biggest concern are the talented skill guys that have committed or are thinking of doing so .Watching Lav cannot give them optimism for at least next year. Some may get happy feet like he has in the pocket and slide elsewhere. I certainly hope not but he is not what the face of this program should be .

True, but unless there is more to win over this season than the posts on this board, it might make sense to develop the talented guys deliberately. You can bet that Ash did not burn Oden's redshirt to never throw a pass this year. It is coming. We need to let it play out and enjoy the surprise when he blooms against a B10 team that thinks he can't pass.

 

[RUTBAY]

Dear armchair Francesas........He shows guts every game. That's why he's the starter. The team seems to be improving. If there was a better overall option against this schedule, they would use that option. Maybe that will happen during this season. Those of us not at every practice can't fairly judge this situation.

The notion that we aren't allowed to complain about Laviano because there may not be anyone better is not a valid argument. It is letting him off the hook because he may happen to be the best we have right now. It also lets him off the hook because it assumes that he can't get any better and that he is the best QB that HE can be.

I couldn't tell for sure because the damn scoreboard never does replays anymore but both of Arch's Off PI call were because of Laviano holding the ball too long and the timing for the downfield blocking was just off.The roll out at the goal line where Martin was open was also confounding. He took a 4 yard sack instead. He did make up for it with that pass to Patton though. The problem quite frankly is that he is not nearly consistent enough. It appears to be his mechanics and his inability to make quick decisions. I kept thinking to myself that if they put #17 on that 1st and goal from the 4 that he runs right over that defender and scores. Switch QBs at that game and RU runs Iowa off the field.

 

[RU#1fan]

Dear armchair Francesas........He shows guts every game. That's why he's the starter. The team seems to be improving. If there was a better overall option against this schedule, they would use that option. Maybe that will happen during this season. Those of us not at every practice can't fairly judge this situation.

Having Guts means jack#hit when you continue to make the same mistakes every game and keep your team from winning important games. It is apparent to everyone who watches Rutgers this guy is not a FBS level QB.

 

[RUnTime]

So who should be the starting QB? You must have missed Allen's stellar debut. Rettig may be even slower in this offense. Can Resciano throw? I do not attend practice so I do not know. Laviano is not a fit for this offense and does not have a NFL receiver to throw to anymore, but looks like the best we have right now @ QB. Need to wait on Oden to develope his passing ability. Also he needs to devlope his body do not think he can be a every down player at this level right now.

 

[RU205]

Why wait for Oden to develop his passing? Laviano can't pass or run. Let Oden at least provide the run option that Laviano can't.

I enjoy going to the games but i don't know if I can make it through a second season of Laviano. If everyone expectations are 3-4 wins, lets go with Oden and see what he can do. My guess is he will get hit hard and get back up for the next play. I'm sure Oden has guts as well.

 

[rutgers4life11]

Every time Oden touches the ball, it looks like a guy in fast motion moving forward. Let the kid learn on the job.

If OSU or UM get up on us early, he should be out there getting as many reps as possible.

 

[Plum Street]

I can't take these excuses anymore. if oden can't make the easy throws that Laviano misses, he would not have been a qb in high school. Time to put him in.

This sir is probably the most logical post I have ever seen on this board . I wish I thought of this myself . Sometimes the answer is right in front of you .

 

[billhilf]

This sir is probably the most logical post I have ever seen on this board . I wish I thought of this myself . Sometimes the answer is right in front of you .

I just don't get the defeatist attitude of some of the posters who don't think we should at least take a chance on another qb. How could it be worse? Would we really have gotten blown out with oden in the entire game. Logically at worst it would have been 14 0. But it's more likely the score would have been the same or better.

What is even the point of playing Laviano any more? Many people on here think we will only win 4 games, so will oden make us only win 3? He clearly doesn't fit the system and will most likely (god I hope I'm not wrong) be the qb next year.

It's not personal, I have nothing against the kid, I just think the team would be better off by playing someone else.

 

[JQRU91]

Realistically, Laviano needs to start the next two games because of who we're playing. It would be a bad time to start guys with little real game experience which pretty much describes the rest of our roster of quarterbacks. After that I think it depends on if Laviano has shown significant improvement or not.

 

[ArminRU]

I thought he was pretty good in the 2nd half. If he plays like that all game we win.

But even in the 2nd half he missed some key scoring opportunities that you just can't miss.

 

[rufeelinit]

Laviano and this offense = square peg and round hole. Just not a good fit. Ash thought he showed significant improvement but take away Grant's run after the short catch and his yardage is significantly reduced. Still just very inaccurate and I have no idea what he was waiting for when he had Martin open in the flat on the first series. I think he is tougher than I thought but just not a productive QB.

 

[R1766U]

Dear armchair Francesas........He shows guts every game. That's why he's the starter. The team seems to be improving. If there was a better overall option against this schedule, they would use that option. Maybe that will happen during this season. Those of us not at every practice can't fairly judge this situation.

Dear Laviano lover,

Guts only gets you so far.

Time for this horrible QB to ride the pine.

 

[R1766U]

Let Oden play... Why not? Let him get experience, we aren't doing jack this season, what's the worst that happens?

 

[ArminRU]

Do you really think Ash and Drew want to play Laviano?

What are you going to say when Gio, Allen or Oden come in and perform worse?

 

[newwavedave1]

Realistically, Laviano needs to start the next two games because of who we're playing. It would be a bad time to start guys with little real game experience which pretty much describes the rest of our roster of quarterbacks. After that I think it depends on if Laviano has shown significant improvement or not.

Excellent post. Get Tyler or Gio in there after Laviano presides over two ugly defeats. No sense ruining their confidence in games we have no chance of keeping it close.

 

[ru-baby]

Cmon another qb can take sacks, generate no O and underthrow or overthrow open receivers too. Other than a flurry of pick 6's (which could have been offset with some O) nothing worse could happen.

#break the hold

 

[MADHAT1]

Excellent post. Get Tyler or Gio in there after Laviano presides over two ugly defeats. No sense ruining their confidence in games we have no chance of keeping it close.

Game gets out of hand, put Gio in then Tylin if Gio isn't doing anything.
If RU is being blowout, time to give the back-ups plenty of playtime.

My opinion is:Laviano isn't suited for the offense RU is running and if he's not getting the job done, give a back-up a chance to show he's better during the game than in practice.

 

[wheezer]

IMHO later on in the game we should have tried more passes on first down....It just seemed too much to expect for Martin
to continually get 4, 5 yards on first down....

it appeared that Idaho loaded up on the line on the first down, then, if we were 2nd and 8, in come the extra defensive backs, and we were immediately in a more tough spot... yes, I realize that we did have some success running first down, but I contend that it was too difficult to sustain an 80 yard drive if you run up the middle every first down....we did succeed with that on a limited basis

passing on first down might have done two things....it would have gone against the Idaho running defense on the field, and had a greater possibility of success than the 2nd or 3rd down pass....not to mention possibly getting Laviano a bit of passing confidence.

 

[gef21]

I can't take these excuses anymore. if oden can't make the easy throws that Laviano misses, he would not have been a qb in high school. Time to put him in.

Was Laviano not a high school QB by your argument then?

I am a huge critic of Laviano but do we know if the other qbs can make any throws?

 

[RU-05]

My guess as to why Oden is not playing/does nothing while in there besides read option: Doesn't know the play book/has run very little of those plays in practice.

 

[T2Kplus10]

CL wouldn't start for any other D1 program and wouldn't even start at Howard. Nuff said. Time to move on.

 

[RU205]

If you read the game thread on the Iowa board they were all wondering why RU would take out the running QB once they put him in. Supposedly Iowa has a hard time stopping a running QB.

 

[RU-05]

If you read the game thread on the Iowa board they were all wondering why RU would take out the running QB once they put him in. Supposedly Iowa has a hard time stopping a running QB.

It looks pretty obvious that Oden is not going to throw the ball. Can't be that one dimensional.

 

[rufeelinit]

Oden has to show he can throw the ball otherwise he cannot be more than a situational QB. Sanu was more of a threat to throw the ball out of the wildcat than Oden is right now. At this point you need CL in there on possible throwing downs otherwise you will see 8 or 9 in the box until TO completes a couple of passes.

 

[RU205]

CL can't throw it either.

 

[rufeelinit]

CL can't throw it either.

Fair point. It's all relative.