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Playoffs not expanding before end of current contract (‘25-26 season)

Yea saw that this morning. It’s too bad. Passed on 450M bucks. But most think it will expand after and at that time unanimity won’t be necessary to get things passed.
 
Excellent news for college football! Hard to justify more teams when it is so hard to fill the current 4 spots with quality teams now.
 
Excellent news for college football! Hard to justify more teams when it is so hard to fill the current 4 spots with quality teams now.
That’s not the reason they won’t expand now, though.

With the initial contract with ESPN running for several more years, ESPN would have leverage to just get the whole expanded playoff at a negotiated increase.

Waiting until 2026 lets them take the playoff rights to the open market, which based on what we are hearing about the B1G rights is a good idea.
 
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That’s not the reason they won’t expand now, though.

With the initial contract with ESPN running for several more years, ESPN would have leverage to just get the whole expanded playoff at a negotiated increase.

Waiting until 2026 lets them take the playoff rights to the open market, which based on what we are hearing about the B1G rights is a good idea.
I like this decision even more now! Screw ESPN.
 
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That’s not the reason they won’t expand now, though.

With the initial contract with ESPN running for several more years, ESPN would have leverage to just get the whole expanded playoff at a negotiated increase.

Waiting until 2026 lets them take the playoff rights to the open market, which based on what we are hearing about the B1G rights is a good idea.
ESPN wouldn't necessarily have gotten a whole expanded playoffs. That was the thought at first but it was wrong. The early round games would have been out to bid and ESPN could have bid on those like anyone else. New playoff inventory (the expanded playoff games) weren't right of first refusal or anything exclusive for ESPN. Could have made hundreds of millions extra and lined up all the inventory, old and new, for 2026 and put it all to bid again.

The problem is just ego and I guess that's the one thing that trumps money at least for now. Plus even though he's denied it, I wonder if Phillips isn't somehow trying to wrangle ND into the ACC through this kind of move. KW I don't understand at all, the B10 would have benefited greatly just like everyone else. No point on conf champ emphasis, a lot more times than not it leads to the same results as top 6 conf champs. The SEC, B12, PAC12 (PAC12 was for any expansion really) and G5 were all for the working group's original proposal.

Sankey has come out with some comments maybe we'll just stay at 4 but I think that's just bluster. He's right in that they do have the leverage because they're never left out and even get 2 in some years but eventually I think money will get them all to agree. It's amazing that money didn't drive them together even for these handful of years to come to an agreement. Leaving hundreds of millions of dollars on the table annually beyond this next handful of years would be utterly unbelievable. They also most likely won't need unanimity at that time too to come to an agreement.
 
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When would the 12-team have started? Is everyone really only complaining about 2-3 years of being at 4 teams?

And the SEC saying or implying that they will revisit their position just goes to show that this was a good decision in my opinion.
 
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ESPN wouldn't necessarily have gotten a whole expanded playoffs. That was the thought at first but it was wrong. The early round games would have been out to bid and ESPN could have bid on those like anyone else. New playoff inventory (the expanded playoff games) weren't right of first refusal or anything exclusive for ESPN. Could have made hundreds of millions extra and lined up all the inventory, old and new, for 2026 and put it all to bid again.

The problem is just ego and I guess that's the one thing that trumps money at least for now. Plus even though he's denied it, I wonder if Phillips isn't somehow trying to wrangle ND into the ACC through this kind of move. KW I don't understand at all, the B10 would have benefited greatly just like everyone else. No point on conf champ emphasis, a lot more times than not it leads to the same results as top 6 conf champs. The SEC, B12, PAC12 (PAC12 was for any expansion really) and G5 were all for the working group's original proposal.

Sankey has come out with some comments maybe we'll just stay at 4 but I think that's just bluster. He's right in that they do have the leverage because they're never left out and even get 2 in some years but eventually I think money will get them all to agree. It's amazing that money didn't drive them together even for these handful of years to come to an agreement. Leaving hundreds of millions of dollars on the table annually beyond this next handful of years would be utterly unbelievable. They also most likely won't need unanimity at that time too to come to an agreement.
That’s still leverage for ESPN, though. Some of these other entities were not going to pay full value for the early round games when, in effect, they would be spending huge amounts of money building interest in the playoff only to have ESPN truly benefit by having the semis and final.

It makes a lot more sense to get the entire thing to the open market so all bidders can have a better overall strategy and maximize their bids.
 
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When would the 12-team have started? Is everyone really only complaining about 2-3 years of being at 4 teams?

And the SEC saying or implying that they will revisit their position just goes to show that this was a good decision in my opinion.


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It could have started around 2024. So about 2 years. Why wait if it's something that's good for the sport and allows more access, exposure and increases interest and makes a ton of money for everyone in the process. The thing is I can't think of what changes in 4 years except for the need for unanimity.

The SEC rethinking it is just bluster imo. Even if money didn't win out in the short term, I think it will in the longer term. Hypothetically though, say it does stay at 4 longer term it's not the SEC that's hurt by it. They always have a team in, sometimes two and have won the most championships. It's others who get hurt by not being in it, some on a prolonged hiatus, and every conference has been left out at least once except the SEC.
 
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That’s still leverage for ESPN, though. Some of these other entities were not going to pay full value for the early round games when, in effect, they would be spending huge amounts of money building interest in the playoff only to have ESPN truly benefit by having the semis and final.

It makes a lot more sense to get the entire thing to the open market so all bidders can have a better overall strategy and maximize their bids.
IMO it would have been fine and would be happening at the same time 3 conference packages are coming up for bid. Get a piece of a conference or two and also piece of the playoffs. Nice bundle of sports properties for a network.
 
Definitely not losing sleep over this..... Unless we rank top12 in 2025.

More concerned about the new BIG 10 TV Deal....
 
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Definitely not losing sleep over this..... Unless we rank top12 in 2025.

More concerned about the new BIG 10 TV Deal....
I have no control over either so I'm not losing sleep over it either lol. It's just discussion. I am a college football fan though, not just a RU fan and I would have liked to see more teams in the playoffs...sooner the better but if it's not to be for now it's not to be.
 
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I've been saying this from the beginning. Nothing was going to happen until these contracts run. Going back to the Brett McMurphy thread where @kyk1827 made a fool of himself with his guarantees. Not understanding the process and more politely with @rutgersguy1 who is so biased wanting 12 to happen that he skips over facts.
 
I've been saying this from the beginning. Nothing was going to happen until these contracts run. Going back to the Brett McMurphy thread where @kyk1827 made a fool of himself with his guarantees. Not understanding the process and more politely with @rutgersguy1 who is so biased wanting 12 to happen that he skips over facts.
It’s not happening but it’s not related to contracts. You had 9 of the 11 parties agreeing to it. The last two, the ACC and inexplicably the B10 held it up.

If Texas OU moving never happened, I think this would’ve passed unanimously. But like I said I think ego got in the way after that and it poisoned the well. The guy who was most hurt Bob Bowlsby was/is still for it. I think the ACC is trying to wrangle ND somehow even though they denied that and I don’t know what KW’s issues are.

What really changes in 4 years? Nothing really that I can see except for the need for unanimity. I’d guess pretty much the same proposal will be at the crux of it again.

BTW I never said it’s going to happen 100%, although I did think it was likely because money usually rules the day but ego seems to have won this time. I don’t speak in absolutes cause you never know. What I have said often is that I think expansion happens eventually but when I don’t know. Sooner or later the pull of hundreds of millions of dollars will win even if not at the moment.
 
Come 2026 the big12 will no longer a power conference…PERIOD. They may not have much of a say after streer and thief leave.
 
It’s not happening but it’s not related to contracts. You had 9 of the 11 parties agreeing to it. The last two, the ACC and inexplicably the B10 held it up.

If Texas OU moving never happened, I think this would’ve passed unanimously. But like I said I think ego got in the way after that and it poisoned the well. The guy who was most hurt Bob Bowlsby was/is still for it. I think the ACC is trying to wrangle ND somehow even though they denied that and I don’t know what KW’s issues are.

What really changes in 4 years? Nothing really that I can see except for the need for unanimity. I’d guess pretty much the same proposal will be at the crux of it again.

BTW I never said it’s going to happen 100%, although I did think it was likely because money usually rules the day but ego seems to have won this time. I don’t speak in absolutes cause you never know. What I have said often is that I think expansion happens eventually but when I don’t know. Sooner or later the pull of hundreds of millions of dollars will win even if not at the moment.
What changes in 4 years?? You haven't figured that out?? I told you it is about a specific contract. The ESPN current contract has them being the exclusive provider of the playoffs.
Second the President's and Chancellors are in no rush to destroy the bowl system as is.

Hey @kyk1827 did you read the article???
"They made a recommendation to the CFP's board of managers, which is composed of 11 presidents and chancellors who have the ultimate authority over the playoff, to stay with the four-team field through the duration of the current contract."
 
What changes in 4 years?? You haven't figured that out?? I told you it is about a specific contract. The ESPN current contract has them being the exclusive provider of the playoffs.
Second the President's and Chancellors are in no rush to destroy the bowl system as is.

Hey @kyk1827 did you read the article???
"They made a recommendation to the CFP's board of managers, which is composed of 11 presidents and chancellors who have the ultimate authority over the playoff, to stay with the four-team field through the duration of the current contract."
The early round playoff games wouldn’t have fallen under that. The semis, finals and the use of the NY bowls as playoff locations would have been under ESPN but the playoff games outside of that would have been out to bid to the open market. You could have lined it up and all the new and old inventory could come out to bid in 2026. Passed on an extra 450 million dollars in the meantime.

OU Texas moving is what held this up imo. The MWC commish kind of intimated that in his comments. It poisoned the well as if something untoward was happening when it wasn’t and that after that it’s a face saving and ego thing. 9 of 11 were for it, 8 commissioners (including Bowlsby the one most hurt by the Texas OU move) and ND, only the ACC and B10 were holding out.

It is what it is, will just have to wait.
 
What changes in 4 years?? You haven't figured that out?? I told you it is about a specific contract. The ESPN current contract has them being the exclusive provider of the playoffs.
Second the President's and Chancellors are in no rush to destroy the bowl system as is.

Hey @kyk1827 did you read the article???
"They made a recommendation to the CFP's board of managers, which is composed of 11 presidents and chancellors who have the ultimate authority over the playoff, to stay with the four-team field through the duration of the current contract."
Haha again, you said the school presidents were the decision makers. As in they were gonna go to every school President and hesr from them. Its just not true
 
The early round playoff games wouldn’t have fallen under that. The semis, finals and the use of the NY bowls as playoff locations would have been under ESPN but the playoff games outside of that would have been out to bid to the open market. You could have lined it up and all the new and old inventory could come out to bid in 2026. Passed on an extra 450 million dollars in the meantime.

OU Texas moving is what held this up imo. The MWC commish kind of intimated that in his comments. It poisoned the well as if something untoward was happening when it wasn’t and that after that it’s a face saving and ego thing. 9 of 11 were for it, 8 commissioners (including Bowlsby the one most hurt by the Texas OU move) and ND, only the ACC and B10 were holding out.

It is what it is, will just have to wait.
Dude. There is no expanded playoffs without ESPN approval!! Period. What part of exclusive don't you understand?
 
Dude. There is no expanded playoffs without ESPN approval!! Period. What part of exclusive don't you understand?
I’ve read it in multiple articles that they own the inventory that encompasses the NY6 bowls (whether they’re part of the playoffs or not) and the semis and finals. The first round games are new inventory and could be put out to bid for any network to bid on. There’s no exclusivity or right of first refusal for those games.
 
Haha again, you said the school presidents were the decision makers. As in they were gonna go to every school President and hesr from them. Its just not true
Hey dumbass the President's just sunk your guarantee of a 12 team playoff. LoL!!
I'll post the facts again.
"They made a recommendation to the CFP's board of managers, which is composed of 11 presidents and chancellors who have the ultimate authority over the playoff, to stay with the four-team field through the duration of the current contract.
You don't understand ULTIMATE AUTHORITY???
You owe me $2 grand BTW.
 
I’ve read it in multiple articles that they own the inventory that encompasses the NY6 bowls (whether they’re part of the playoffs or not) and the semis and finals. The first round games are new inventory and could be put out to bid for any network to bid on. There’s no exclusivity or right of first refusal for those games.
Wrong a 1000% wrong. ESPN drives the bus on expansion. They own the exclusive rights to the playoffs. They can not be changed by an expanded playoffs system without them agreeing to it.
 
Wrong a 1000% wrong. ESPN drives the bus on expansion. They own the exclusive rights to the playoffs. They can not be changed by an expanded playoffs system without them agreeing to it.
Well that’s what I’ve read and that’s with reporters talking to people who are consultants and experts in the industry.
 
Hey dumbass the President's just sunk your guarantee of a 12 team playoff. LoL!!
I'll post the facts again.
"They made a recommendation to the CFP's board of managers, which is composed of 11 presidents and chancellors who have the ultimate authority over the playoff, to stay with the four-team field through the duration of the current contract.
You don't understand ULTIMATE AUTHORITY???
You owe me $2 grand BTW.
You said that the CFP wouldnt make the decision, the presidents of schools would haha. I specifically even said so jonathan holloway? Youre trying hard here, its cute
 
Well that’s what I’ve read and that’s with reporters talking to people who are consultants and experts in the industry.
They aren't saying anything you are about ESPN's control of the playoffs. They control the playoffs period. Nothing in what you posted disputes that at all.
 
You said that the CFP wouldnt make the decision, the presidents of schools would haha. I specifically even said so jonathan holloway? Youre trying hard here, its cute
They just did!! Holloway isn't on the board. The board is made up by the Presidents of colleges. You are soo stupid. And forget the Presidents.
Let's get to how f-ing wrong you were. You said it was a lock! Wrong. Done deal. Wrong!! The Presidents weren't involved. Wrong!! You missed on all you posted. I'm 100% right from day one. No playoff change until the contract ended. FACT.
 
It’s not happening but it’s not related to contracts. You had 9 of the 11 parties agreeing to it. The last two, the ACC and inexplicably the B10 held it up.

If Texas OU moving never happened, I think this would’ve passed unanimously. But like I said I think ego got in the way after that and it poisoned the well. The guy who was most hurt Bob Bowlsby was/is still for it. I think the ACC is trying to wrangle ND somehow even though they denied that and I don’t know what KW’s issues are.

What really changes in 4 years? Nothing really that I can see except for the need for unanimity. I’d guess pretty much the same proposal will be at the crux of it again.

BTW I never said it’s going to happen 100%, although I did think it was likely because money usually rules the day but ego seems to have won this time. I don’t speak in absolutes cause you never know. What I have said often is that I think expansion happens eventually but when I don’t know. Sooner or later the pull of hundreds of millions of dollars will win even if not at the moment.
9 of 11 conferences agreeing to it is in effect a 2-2 tie.

The six Group of 5 conferences are irrelevant because they aren’t a real part of it now and will vote for anything that increases their chance of inclusion.

The Big 12 vote is irrelevant because they are in transition and fighting to remain a Power5 conference.
 
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IMO it would have been fine and would be happening at the same time 3 conference packages are coming up for bid. Get a piece of a conference or two and also piece of the playoffs. Nice bundle of sports properties for a network.
You are not going to get close to full value for early round games that lead to ESPN being rewarded with the semis/finals every year.

There was too little term on the ESPN deal left to make rushing this worth it.
 
9 of 11 conferences agreeing to it is in effect a 2-2 tie.

The six Group of 5 conferences are irrelevant because they aren’t a real part of it now and will vote for anything that increases their chance of inclusion.

The Big 12 vote is irrelevant because they are in transition and fighting to remain a Power5 conference.
B12 is a P5 they will still be included in anything but they won’t get the same money from the networks anymore. G5 matters because if you exclude a large swath of schools from any chance at least in name then you’re inviting government involvement. Bowlsby or Sankey or both essentially said that when he was talking about why auto bids for the P5 wasn’t a good idea.
 
You are not going to get close to full value for early round games that lead to ESPN being rewarded with the semis/finals every year.

There was too little term on the ESPN deal left to make rushing this worth it.
Besides that ESPN isn't willing to losing a top 4 ranked team before the semis and finals. They are paying for the top 4 teams. I just don't understand why people can't figure that out.
 
B12 is a P5 they will still be included in anything but they won’t get the same money from the networks anymore. G5 matters because if you exclude a large swath of schools from any chance at least in name then you’re inviting government involvement. Bowlsby or Sankey or both essentially said that when he was talking about why auto bids for the P5 wasn’t a good idea.
It isn’t about excluding them, it is about not giving a shit that they want to expand now, because they don’t have the same priorities as a conference like the B1G. The G5 is desperate for money now, while the B1G makes decisions that maximize their income long term.
 
Hey dumbass the President's just sunk your guarantee of a 12 team playoff. LoL!!
I'll post the facts again.
"They made a recommendation to the CFP's board of managers, which is composed of 11 presidents and chancellors who have the ultimate authority over the playoff, to stay with the four-team field through the duration of the current contract.
You don't understand ULTIMATE AUTHORITY???
You owe me $2 grand BTW.
LOLOLOLOL. But the presidents!!!!

 
LOLOLOLOL. But the presidents!!!!

The presidents were the ones who pushed this through. The commissioners were fouling everything up. The presidents on the board of managers headed by the Miss State prez Mark Keenum iirc said we’re doing this, voted on it and then tossed it back to the commissioners to finish off the details.

Rose Bowl was the last big road block. They were trying to preserve their exclusive NYD window but the commishes weren’t guaranteeing them anything. If they didn’t agree and blocked the expanded playoffs for 2024 and 2025 there was a good chance they would have been excluded from the playoffs beyond the next two years. Today was the deadline and the Rose Bowl acquiesced.
 
Excellent news for college football! Hard to justify more teams when it is so hard to fill the current 4 spots with quality teams now.
Why so we can watch a bunch of exhibition games with half the players opting out? Sure realistically they may not have a chance to win the tournament but it sure better than what we have now. I rather see Tennessee at Alabama play in the first round over Alabama play K State in the sugar with 14 guys opting out.
 
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Rose Bowl blinked.
Thank god. The sooner we get rid of the current system the better.

Who would want this line up of games the second weekend of December: Some people I guess would rather watch the weed eater bowl with two 6-6 teams playing.

Round 1
12 Tulane at 5 Ohio State
11 Utah at 6 Alabama
10 Kansas State at 7 Tennessee
9 Clemson at 8 Penn State



Round 2
5 Ohio State vs 4 USC
6 Alabama vs 3 TCU
7 Tennessee vs 2 Michigan
8 Penn State vs 1 Georgia
 
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