Positive Side Women's Softball

[ruclass76]

The NJ.com article about women's softball program was so one-sided, I felt compelled to write some positives about the work Coach Butler has done. Truth is, building a championship program, requires hard work, sacrifice and top level athletes. That's exactly what she is doing.

* 11 ladies from last years team made the All Big Ten Academic team (3.0 GPA or higher); 4 of these athletes had GPAs of 3.5 or higher and received Highest B10 Academic Honors. All 4 of these athletes have returned to play for Coach Butler this year.

* The article cited 10 athletes have transferred out of the program in the past year and a half. None of these athletes (but perhaps one who was a freshman) were recruited by Coach Butler.

* The schools to which some of the athletes transferred include: Wagner (2), URI, SIU Edwardsville, Kent State. Couldn't determine the other transfer destinations. Note each of these schools are a significant level below B10 competition.

* The article cited 1 athlete transferred to University of Tennessee. It is unclear if she has continued to play softball as her name is currently not on the U Tenn. official softball roster.

* 3 of the 4 freshmen on RU roster last year have returned to play for Coach Butler this year. The other athlete has transferred to Wagner. The 3 returning freshmen played an integral part in the team's success last year.

* Coach Butler has recruited 11 new players to RU for the upcoming season. The talent recruited is a vast improvement over previous years.

* 4 of the new players are transfers from Syracuse, Alabama, Texas Tech and Bryant (baseball coach's daughter.) The transfer from U Alabama batted .300 in SEC, is a graduate transfer with 2 years of eligibility.

*7 recruits are frosh. 4 from NJ; the others are all state performers from Ohio, Colorado and Florida.

Enough of my rambling. Let's support Coach Butler and RU's athletic staff. Changes have been made to the softball staff, so lets focus on the positives. Best wishes to Coach Butler & the RU softball team.




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[RUtrumpet92]

I heard the former player that transferred to Tennessee left their program already, too. By all accounts, the UT coach is harder on his players than Butler's alleged treatment of players at Rutgers.

Can't argue with the progress the program made in one season under Butler. I think if she is here a few more years, we'll be competing for the B1G title and playing in the NCAAs.

 

[Fzacsattac]

Sorry but if the allegations are true, there is nothing positive about it......

If the wins, a B1G title, and playing in the NCAA’s come at the hands of the allegations, do you seriously think there is nothing wrong with that and the coach should be here for a few more years just because of the progress made?

We don’t know the whole story and I am going by the allegations only since we know only one side. Let’s see how everything plays out. Lol

 

[HeavenUniv.]

RUClass76, thanks for posting this. If a player thinks she is going to have to give extra effort for Butler, wait until they get to endure Ralph Weekly at Tennessee. One added note, some improvements are being made at the softball facility including new turf. Like baseball, we still need actual bathrooms, concession stands, better grandstands including some seats, and these brand new just invented things called lights.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

RUClass 86, send your exact post to the “writers” at the Star-Liar and see if they have the professionalism to include it in their next hatchet piece on the softball coach.

 

[Captain Hogleg]

Sorry but if the allegations are true, there is nothing positive about it......

If the wins, a B1G title, and playing in the NCAA’s come at the hands of the allegations, do you seriously think there is nothing wrong with that and the coach should be here for a few more years just because of the progress made?

We don’t know the whole story and I am going by the allegations only since we know only one side. Let’s see how everything plays out. Lol

Hate to break it to you... this is how things are done at the highest levels of sports. Weed out the weak. Rutgers people are not used to competing at these levels and are therefore unaccustomed to the harsh reality. If you want to remain a perennial loser then go about things as we have in the past and keep low talent players in the program and be nice to them. Otherwise accept the very harsh reality that competing at the highest level is oft times brutal.

 

[bigmatt718]

Hate to break it to you... this is how things are done at the highest levels of sports. Weed out the weak. Rutgers people are not used to competing at these levels and are therefore unaccustomed to the harsh reality. If you want to remain a perennial loser then go about things as we have in the past and keep low talent players in the program and be nice to them. Otherwise accept the very harsh reality that competing at the highest level is oft times brutal.

Well put.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Sorry but if the allegations are true, there is nothing positive about it......

If the wins, a B1G title, and playing in the NCAA’s come at the hands of the allegations, do you seriously think there is nothing wrong with that and the coach should be here for a few more years just because of the progress made?

We don’t know the whole story and I am going by the allegations only since we know only one side. Let’s see how everything plays out. Lol

This is hysterical.,,get out

Sorry but if the allegations are true, there is nothing positive about it......

If the wins, a B1G title, and playing in the NCAA’s come at the hands of the allegations, do you seriously think there is nothing wrong with that and the coach should be here for a few more years just because of the progress made?

We don’t know the whole story and I am going by the allegations only since we know only one side. Let’s see how everything plays out. Lol

The “allegations” against Coach Butler are pathetic.

 

[OntheBanks]

The previous coaches Jay Nelson and Jay Miller were both in their 60's and had no clue what was needed to develop and manage a team at the level of
competition we are playing. I'd watch some games on TV and would scream at the screen for some of the decisions made by Nelson and his sidekick Miller.
I often wondered if they spent any time in the new practice facility during the off season. Probably put the bats away after the last game in the spring and took
them out a few weeks before the first game.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

I swear that 99.9 percent of our fans have never met anyone who played college sports. I have a cousin who was just a kicker at a very bad Division 3 school. He told me he had a coach who wanted him in the weight and film rooms just like all the other players. I asked him once how much time he spent during the season in practice, watching film, lifting, etc. He said about 20 hours. He didn’t get an athletic scholarship, but got every type of other kind of schollie the school could find. Nothing in the Star-Liar says they were abused. Like others have said, they finally had to work out like Division 1 athletes do around the country.

 

[rubaseball78]

Sorry but if the allegations are true, there is nothing positive about it......

If the wins, a B1G title, and playing in the NCAA’s come at the hands of the allegations, do you seriously think there is nothing wrong with that and the coach should be here for a few more years just because of the progress made?

We don’t know the whole story and I am going by the allegations only since we know only one side. Let’s see how everything plays out. Lol

What allegations are true? Do you mean making them run 6 wind sprints, hitting ground balls at them? This is typical stuff for 12-16 year old players.

 

[Fzacsattac]

Hate to break it to you... this is how things are done at the highest levels of sports. Weed out the weak. Rutgers people are not used to competing at these levels and are therefore unaccustomed to the harsh reality. If you want to remain a perennial loser then go about things as we have in the past and keep low talent players in the program and be nice to them. Otherwise accept the very harsh reality that competing at the highest level is oft times brutal.

I know comprehension is hard for you but I did say if the allegations are true....we only heard one side. When I played sports we got yelled at a lot and we ran suicides for what seemed like an hour straight. I never implied in my writing about being nice and giving awards to all the players for a good effort. I guess you weren’t an athlete and didn’t graduate Rutgers from your writing.

You must be a Mom/dad of an athlete that spent a lot of money on their sport and they never were regarded at a high level and feels you never got your money’s worth because they didn’t exceed your expectations (getting a scholarship to a division 1 school).

Motivating a player needs to be done in a productive manner not a punitive way. Running five miles in under 8 minutes (if not you run another 5 miles) if you are a volleyball player is punitive as that doesn’t help you as a volleyball player. Now sprints or suicides might be better for that type of athlete and is productive. But telling a team that they went over by $6 on a meal and now they have to run 6 100 yard sprints in 17 seconds is ridiculous.

 

[Fzacsattac]

What allegations are true? Do you mean making them run 6 wind sprints, hitting ground balls at them? This is typical stuff for 12-16 year old players.

Wow reading comprehension is tough in here......I did say if allegations are true. 6 wind sprints in 17 seconds for going over $6 is ridiculous........that is petty.

 

[Fzacsattac]

This is hysterical.,,get out


The “allegations” against Coach Butler are pathetic.

you should talk.....lol

 

[rsutton86]

Wow reading comprehension is tough in here......I did say if allegations are true. 6 wind sprints in 17 seconds for going over $6 is ridiculous........that is petty.

If you think the only reason why they ran 6 100 yard sprints was because they went $6 over on their bill, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[rubaseball78]

Wow reading comprehension is tough in here......I did say if allegations are true. 6 wind sprints in 17 seconds for going over $6 is ridiculous........that is petty.

Highly doubt they had to do since 100 yd wind sprints in 17 seconds as world record for 1 is just under 10 seconds.

 

[RUTrack94]

No that is 100m aka 110yds ... under 9

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Wow reading comprehension is tough in here......I did say if allegations are true. 6 wind sprints in 17 seconds for going over $6 is ridiculous........that is petty.

So which of these whiny brats is yours?

 

[HeavenUniv.]

We had coaches from various sports steal paychecks from Rutgers, not just for years, but for decades. And they did NOTHING. No National Championships, no conference championships, no post season runs, not even getting to .500 seasons. New Jersey high school coaches and athletes not even considering playing their sport at their own State University. It is way beyond the time when we don’t put up with this anymore. Goodale and wrestling has shown New Jerseyans it can be done.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Wow reading comprehension is tough in here......I did say if allegations are true. 6 wind sprints in 17 seconds for going over $6 is ridiculous........that is petty.

Lol. You are clueless. Did you ever play any sport? Who cares what the reason was....scholarship athletes are expected to run sometimes. Its sort of part of the job.

 

[Fzacsattac]

If you think the only reason why they ran 6 100 yard sprints was because they went $6 over on their bill, I have a bridge to sell you.

that’s exactly my original point...we only know one side....lol

 

[Fzacsattac]

So which of these whiny brats is yours?

lol...ask your wife......lol

 

[Fzacsattac]

Lol. You are clueless. Did you ever play any sport? Who cares what the reason was....scholarship athletes are expected to run sometimes. Its sort of part of the job.

Wow reading comprehension is tough around here...lol......I am guessing you weren’t an athlete......lol

 

[Scarlettrooper]

What allegations are true? Do you mean making them run 6 wind sprints, hitting ground balls at them? This is typical stuff for 12-16 year old players.

Wow reading comprehension is tough in here......I did say if allegations are true. 6 wind sprints in 17 seconds for going over $6 is ridiculous........that is petty.

This isn’t petty this is called accountability. There isn’t enough of this done anymore. $6 or not, you should be responsible for your actions big and small. Under many, if not all, of our old coaches, not just softball, our players were playing under essentially an intramural atmosphere and getting a free education. Hence the reason why our teams lost way more then they won.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

This isn’t petty this is called accountability. There isn’t enough of this done anymore. $6 or not, you should be responsible for your actions big and small. Under many, if not all, of our old coaches, not just softball, our players were playing under essentially an intramural atmosphere and getting a free education. Hence the reason why our teams lost way more then they won.

Exactly. Success in sports is about attention to detail. It is about understanding little things matter. It is about accountability for your actions. I am not really a GS fanboy, but look at GS's first tenure here. He changed a culture of losing by focusing on details, and doing things exactly like this. Goodale has done the same. Chris Ash preached the same, which he learned from Urban Meyer... even though it obivously didn't work out.

If you recall on the Giants, Coughlin famously had rules that didn't even make sense...like that you had to be 10 minutes early to meetings - but it worked. Coughlin changed the culture and won superbowls....Fassel didn't . To change a culture of losing, you have to take sometime drastic and seemingly punitive action.

To the softball incident, I remember having to run (or skate) sprints for one person being late to practice, or messing up in some other way many times. I don't recall thinking it was petty. It sucked, but it worked. The truth was, we would have had to do the conditioning anyway, but the coach co-opted a person being late as a teachable moment.

 

[rubaseball78]

This isn’t petty this is called accountability. There isn’t enough of this done anymore. $6 or not, you should be responsible for your actions big and small. Under many, if not all, of our old coaches, not just softball, our players were playing under essentially an intramural atmosphere and getting a free education. Hence the reason why our teams lost way more then they won.

What are you telling me for? Since day 1 I’ve been calling these charges silly.

 

[rubaseball78]

Exactly. Success in sports is about attention to detail. It is about understanding little things matter. It is about accountability for your actions. I am not really a GS fanboy, but look at GS's first tenure here. He changed a culture of losing by focusing on details, and doing things exactly like this. Goodale has done the same. Chris Ash preached the same, which he learned from Urban Meyer... even though it obivously didn't work out.

If you recall on the Giants, Coughlin famously had rules that didn't even make sense...like that you had to be 10 minutes early to meetings - but it worked. Coughlin changed the culture and won superbowls....Fassel didn't . To change a culture of losing, you have to take sometime drastic and seemingly punitive action.

To the softball incident, I remember having to run (or skate) sprints for one person being late to practice, or messing up in some other way many times. I don't recall thinking it was petty. It sucked, but it worked. The truth was, we would have had to do the conditioning anyway, but the coach co-opted a person being late as a teachable moment.

Agree. I’d bet there was much more than the $6 but that was used to make a point.

 

[Scarlettrooper]

This isn’t petty this is called accountability. There isn’t enough of this done anymore. $6 or not, you should be responsible for your actions big and small. Under many, if not all, of our old coaches, not just softball, our players were playing under essentially an intramural atmosphere and getting a free education. Hence the reason why our teams lost way more then they won.

What are you telling me for? Since day 1 I’ve been calling these charges silly.

Apologies wasn’t directed to u. I should have removed your reply.

 

[rubaseball78]

Apologies wasn’t directed to u. I should have removed your reply.

You owe me 20 pushups.

 

[Scarlettrooper]

Apologies wasn’t directed to u. I should have removed your reply.

You owe me 20 pushups.

See u in court pal

 

[gef21]

Sorry but if the allegations are true, there is nothing positive about it......

If the wins, a B1G title, and playing in the NCAA’s come at the hands of the allegations, do you seriously think there is nothing wrong with that and the coach should be here for a few more years just because of the progress made?

We don’t know the whole story and I am going by the allegations only since we know only one side. Let’s see how everything plays out. Lol

Am I still missing something? The allegations are;

6 wind sprints for 100 yards
Pushing kids to transfer who are not capable of competing
some insulting language
yelling at kids to keep pushing on conditioning (potentially physically pushing them)
threatening to pull a kids scholarship

So I get that there could potentially be some red flags there, but am I missing something? Is there something that is truly a "fire them" item?

Has more come out? I sort of stopped paying attention to this story.

 

[rudad02]

Am I still missing something? The allegations are;

6 wind sprints for 100 yards
Pushing kids to transfer who are not capable of competing
some insulting language
yelling at kids to keep pushing on conditioning (potentially physically pushing them)
threatening to pull a kids scholarship

So I get that there could potentially be some red flags there, but am I missing something? Is there something that is truly a "fire them" item?

Has more come out? I sort of stopped paying attention to this story.

More than 6 wind sprints.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

More than 6 wind sprints.

So what? They’re D1 college athletes.

 

[rudad02]

So what? They’re D1 college athletes.

Was responding to a query by another poster. Wasn't looking for an argument. Are you?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Was responding to a query by another poster. Wasn't looking for an argument. Are you?

So I can’t respond to you? It’s a message board. That’s what we do lol!

 

[koleszar]

I used to yell at my coaches, "Why do I have to do laps around the track? I'm a fvckin Center not one of those track guy's, that's for those skinny whimps". His reply, "fat and out of shape, is fat and out of shape. Anything I tell you to do to get you in shape is the correct method, now run two extra laps wise ass." I've seen it said a couple times on various threads that softball players don't need this type of exercise because it doesn't relate to their sport. My opinion, fat and out of shape needed to get in shape.

 

[gef21]

More than 6 wind sprints.

What was it? Link on what the conditioning was?

 

[rubaseball78]

I used to yell at my coaches, "Why do I have to do laps around the track? I'm a fvckin Center not one of those track guy's, that's for those skinny whimps". His reply, "fat and out of shape, is fat and out of shape. Anything I tell you to do to get you in shape is the correct method, now run two extra laps wise ass." I've seen it said a couple times on various threads that softball players don't need this type of exercise because it doesn't relate to their sport. My opinion, fat and out of shape needed to get in shape.

Out of shape means your skills and fundamentals erode as you tire.

 

[rudad02]

So I can’t respond to you? It’s a message board. That’s what we do lol!

Just as I thought. Predictable. Looking for an argument. Knock yourself out.

 

[rubaseball78]

Just as I thought. Predictable. Looking for an argument. Knock yourself out.

So what if it was more than 6 wind sprints. As was said they are D1 athletes.