per the OP on Matawan transfer, the Star Ledger has an article about Point Beach HS (about 200 boys) dominating in Group I basketball because of transfers from outside the district. Cost of tuition @7,100 buys into a superior coach and superior system. Can happen anywhere in State of NJ. Don't have to migrate with grandma to attend "Catholic NFL" up North. Which coach in which tiny public school could be the next NJ Alabama? A new garden to fence.
Public HS recruiting too
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It is so weird, but many sports parents are nuts, and some HS love to fill their cases so I am not shocked.
In the article it does say that they have like 70 tuition students and only a few play sports. It also leaves out that it is the best academic school in that immediate area.
Public schools do recruit but there is more to that article than the writer put in.
I've actually sat with several different up-and-coming high school football players and had coaches tell them over and over and over again about all of the things they could do for them, if they just transferred to North Bergen high school. Of course, none of it was money or a car or a job for their parent...at least not in front of me. And it was a different coach than the current one.
Neither of the kids transferred BTW.
Twice in my football coaching career I have gone directly to public school coaches to tell them to stop recruiting a kid. I have spent my ENTIRE career keeping prep school and catholic school coaches away. Recruiting is a big issue in the state and no one acknowledges it (especially for the big boy catholic schools).
Didn't Hoboken take in Hudson County students until recently?
Audubon (magnet) and Sterling (ROTC) HSs taken in Camden County students for their reasons.
Haddonfield HS takes in tuition students.
I'm sure there's plenty others and I'm not even going to get into charter schools who takes in who ever they want.
Audubon (magnet) and Sterling (ROTC) HSs taken in Camden County students for their reasons.
Haddonfield HS takes in tuition students.
I'm sure there's plenty others and I'm not even going to get into charter schools who takes in who ever they want.
Actually BB is now a choice district so they are able to accept students from the area and they go without paying tuition
My problem with the parochial school recruiting is this. Several years ago, in order to save money on travel, the parochial schools petitioned the public school conference (the shore conference) for admission. In order to enter they had to promise not to recruit. They did, joined the conference and continued to recruit like crazy. I coached girls basketball and had to deal with RBC and SJV year in and year out. We all knew they recruited like crazy. My feeling was that they should form their own parochial league, allow recruiting, and pay the cost of having to travel across the state. OR. Stay in the public league and stop recruiting. At least be honest about it.
The kids are getting better educations and connections. I think they should be allowed to recruit. The kids are better for it.
To criticize parochials for recruiting is like criticizing me for breathing. It is an activity essential for survival. The large majority of parochial students, both athletes and non-athletes, are recruited to some degree.
Perhaps it is a matter of UNFAIR recruiting? Are there ethical standards for HS recruiting, and have they been crossed?
Perhaps it is a matter of UNFAIR recruiting? Are there ethical standards for HS recruiting, and have they been crossed?
I think there might be some urban legend at play here. Unless by "several years" you mean 40+ years. Also, I don't think much recruiting went on until like 20 years ago.
The rule is that no recruiting for sports is ever allowed to happen. It is never enforced.
Not true. I played on a state championship baseball team in the early 80's at a large public school here in NJ. Every year we would have a few new kids from the metropolitan area. It has been going long before I got there.
Not criticizing anything but this is basically the same thing as parochial schools as they can accept any student (I'm assuming from the same county or "area.").
If its a magnet school like Sterling or Audubon, tuition would be from whatever town that kid is from (Camden, Woodlynne, etc). Unless things have changed or I'm wrong, technically you go to pay to go to Haddonfield. So in-town taxes should not be used.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is all about the money and who comes out ahead of others. We as a society have just about perfected the "it's all about me and those closest to me. Good luck to the rest of you, but I ain't helping you. Rules? As long as I can stay ahead of you, we should put them in. If not, I am the exception to them." Think about all we've seen involving our Rutgers, the A10, Big East, AAC, and now B1G. We are no different and our next generation sees it and knows it. Do whatever you have to in order to get in front of others. That's today's reality. Just gotta deal with it.
I don't like it but it not going to stop, follow the money. Another problem I have is people are quick to criticize a kid for not repping his state but have no problem when they don't rep the town that they live in. It also easier for the out of state schools to come in and recruit all of our top athletes.
Better education at Point? At Bound Brook?
And I thought I was bad at putting my two cents in on stuff I know nothing about.
Which kids are better for it? Certainly not the ones left behind that can't field a competitive team because all the talented kids leave town. Once the downward spiral begins, it only gets worse and worse. Look at programs like Marlboro, Holmdel, Howell and a few other Monmouth County towns. Pretty soon they won't be able to field a team at all and Matawan will join the ranks soon thanks to SJV and RBC recruiting kids with scholarships...oops, I mean financial aid. The NJSIAA needs to wise up before it's too late and put a stop to this by imposing mandatory penalties for transferring into a private school. Let's see what happens if a player needs to sit an entire season in order to get a "Catholic Education". I bet they won't be so Catholic anymore.
Please educate me . How does one go to a public school out of district ? Are all schools 'magnet ' schools whatever that is
Some schools have open enrollment like Rumson-Fair Haven. 40% +/- of their roster doesn't live in either town. Parents pay the tuition and arrange for private transportation if it's further than the towns bussing limit.
You don't make life decisions based on some other kid not being able play on a good team. That's silly. You do what is right for your kid and his future.
So two Catholic schools recruiting a handful of kids from 5-6 towns is going to cause those teams to shut down sports? Come on. If you simply do not like the Catholic school model, for whatever reason, you are certainly entitled to that opinion. However, just own it; don't try to conceal your real position by arguing about competitiveness. (Notice that you did not talk about public schools recruiting even though that was the premise of the OP.) Besides, the competitive argument is undermined by the fact that all of the local public schools, who are supposedly subject to this mass recruiting, play each other. No team has an advantage over another.
I, along with about 8 other guys from my town, went to a north jersey parochial school. Us leaving actually allowed for some guys that would have never had the chance to play over us in town the opportunity to do so. They got a much better sport experience because of us leaving town.
One of my favorite movies is Breaking Away. My favorite line vintage is :"Everybody cheats dad" "We'll son now you know " Are the privates cheating? Nope
They are just riding an evolutionary wave .
They are just riding an evolutionary wave .
Haddonfield HS does this as well as some of their kids whos parents can afford tuition are from Cherry Hill among other towns.
