"Rutgers’ Nick Suriano aims ‘to take everybody out’ at top tournament: ‘Not going to dodge a fight’
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He looked like a bear in practice today
I loved the name Flowrestling gave him in that video last year:
"The Fearless Warrior'
Hope we have a great tournament. I think we get 2 winners, Suriano and Ashnault. Stacked weight classes though.
"The Fearless Warrior'
Hope we have a great tournament. I think we get 2 winners, Suriano and Ashnault. Stacked weight classes though.
didn't some clown on here last month call his possibly going 133 "the path of least resistance" ? 133 might be the toughest weight in the country!!
No one man stands in the way of the top of the podium at 133 like Spencer Lee does at 125. The gauntlet at 133 is bigger, but the last guy you have to face is more beatable than Lee.
We already know Lee is one of the biggest fav to win his weight class but, correct me if I’m wrong, didn’t Lee lose to somebody last season??
He lost to the kid from osu I think then pinned him in the ncaa’s iirc. Not sure if he had any other losses
He lost to Ronnie Bresser from Oregon State as well. Bresser stayed away from Spencer in the 1st period, rode him well and Spencer gassed a bit in the 3rd. Bresser wrestled a smart but boring (borderline stalling) match.
This weekend will tell us a lot about 133... But while Lee is the only real threat to Suriano at 125... I feel that just making the finals at 133 will be a harder accomplishment...4 former national finalists at 133 including defending champ at that weight definitely does not make it path of least resistance!!
Let’s not forget Suriano faced Lee right after being in the hospital for 10 days w a serious illness. He was probably way less than 100 percent.
Would it made a difference from a 5-1 loss. We will never know, but in my opinion it had to play a significant role.
Would it made a difference from a 5-1 loss. We will never know, but in my opinion it had to play a significant role.
I don't understand the logic. Which of the other potential semifinalists at Midlands are better than Lee pound for pound? That's the only way it can be more difficult to make the Midlands final than beating Lee in the NCAA finals.
Spencer Lee is an amazing wrestler.
Nick Suriano is an amazing wrestler.
A less than 100% Spencer Lee lost to Ronnie Bresser.
A 100% Nick Suriano controlled and beat Ronnie Bresser in that same tournament
Spencer Lee controlled and beat a less than 100% Nick Suriano.
Based on results from the season it would have been nice to have seen a 100% Spencer Lee face a 100% Suriano in the NCAA finals.
BTW, Suriano’s only 2 actual college losses are to Thomas Gilman and Lee.
Would a 100 % Suriano turn the 5-1 result around ? Suriano was in the hospital for 10 days a few weeks before the NCAAs. Had IVs hooked up fighting a bad knee staph infection (if I remember what he said in his Flo video correctly). That had to impact his readiness. He couldn't train, wasn't at full strength, and it impaired the flexibility in his knee as he mentioned in the video. I'm pretty sure he had beaten everyone else ranked at 125 at CKLV (other than Lee and true freshman), whereas he's never faced Micic, and the others at 133. I agree with the poster above saying just getting to the finals at 133 will be tougher than 125. Not sure if Micic is easier than Lee in a final or not.
A 5-1 loss is hardly a blowout.
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Nothing in my posts were meant to take anything away from Suriano. I agree he is an amazing college wrestler. Remember, I've seen him a time or two.
Just a little more perspective on Lee, though, he was a true freshman, wrestling in his fifth or sixth college match when he lost to Bresser. He's a different wrestler now, and I stand beside my original comment.
Agree that Lee was a different wrestler at the end of the year but some of that was due to being fully recovered (physically and mentally) from an ACL repair. You asked what the significance of the Suriano beating Bresser was? And, I answered that question by saying that in both cases where the two took losses, neither was 100%. You may be correct that Spencer Lee has developed at a greater rate than Nick. Spencer may be the better wrestler and you could make a cogent argument for that based on result margins when healthy against common opponents. However, I don’t think that Spencer’s loss to Bresser or Nick’s loss to Spencer is the best measuring stick.
I wouldn't put DeSanto or Fix too far behind Lee. Your making it sound like Lee is head and shoulders above everyone else . he might and might not be better but even if he is it's not by much. I think fix beat lee twice last year in freestyle.
Fix beat Lee in Freestyle in May of 2015.
I think you are over ranking DeSanto, but we will see this year how much he can keep it together. 133 is loaded and if I were picking my AA's at 133 right now, Desanto would not be one of them.
DeSanto is a couple light years away from SL. No comparison imo.
I think NS was terribly handicapped coming into the NCAAs but still managed to make the finals. A fairly healthy NS & SL would have been a heckuva battle. Who knows how that would turn out but Id pay to see it
what do Midlands have to do with anything? My statement is that at 125.. The only wrestler capable of beating Suriano is Lee... at 133. there are a few guys who I believe are at that level!! To say that Suriano is at 133 cuz its the easier path to an NCAA championship is talking out ones ass!! Is that logical enough for u?
desanto easily beat Thornton and working out with lee has to get him to another level. I hope your right but desanto had big motor he didn't stop wrestling for a second. I think NS beats him but it's tough match. Think he AAs unless wheels fall off lol.
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I misread/misunderstood your original premise, but now that I read this post...
The path to a championship through X guys that you have a shot at beating is easier than a path with one guy that you can't beat.
Bresser that couldn't even get back to a match against Lee at NCAA versus Lee's fifth ever college match.
I think we've seen Lee's last college loss.
Interested in what people’s % of winning is?
Suriano vs Lee. I’d give Suriano a 10% shot to win
Suriano vs Gross.. 50% to win
Suriano vs Fix ..55% to win
Suriano vs Micic..60% to win
So unless you think Suriano has a better than 50% chance to win against Lee clearly 133 is the easiest weight for him to win a title.
If we’re talking about getting to finals than 125 is the easier weight
Suriano vs Lee. I’d give Suriano a 10% shot to win
Suriano vs Gross.. 50% to win
Suriano vs Fix ..55% to win
Suriano vs Micic..60% to win
So unless you think Suriano has a better than 50% chance to win against Lee clearly 133 is the easiest weight for him to win a title.
If we’re talking about getting to finals than 125 is the easier weight
We will find out Saturday where things are!
To be fair if NS wasn’t a 100%at Ncaa he was good enough to control and beat the defending Nat Champ and pin a former finalist. So it’s not like he was far off. I think we will see how he looks after this weekend and we can voice our opinions on what weight he should be at after Sat night. For example. If he losses to Ohio Sate and then Micic beats ohio state in finals. We got problems. If Nick beats OS and beats Micic nobody will argue that fact of witch weight he should be at. I for one am more excited for 149. Little nervous about a possible Tommy Thorn in the quarters for Ash but I am really pulling for him to win this Tournament.
Don't forget Lee had the tournament of a lifetime last year..No way he is 10pts+ better than Nato..(especially when Nato beat him 2 weeks earlier) Everything clicked perfectly for Lee... And a less than 100% Suriano was the only one that hung with him.. So to say that NS can't beat him at all is BS IMO...
