So I’m painting my front door today and I want to match it to the current football jersey color. Can someone post a swatch of the current color?
Rutgers color sample for front door
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No idea of the color used for our current jerseys, but the official color is pantone 186
https://communications.rutgers.edu/brand-policies/visual-identity/identity-elements
https://www.myperfectcolor.com/paint/379225-pantone-pms-186-c
Color Scarlet: Pantone 186
https://communications.rutgers.edu/brand-policies/visual-identity/guidelines-use
https://communications.rutgers.edu/brand-policies/visual-identity/guidelines-use
When I painted my spare room Rutgers scarlet, Home Depot had an NCAA collection with paint colors for every team. Made it very easy.
If you want to go "old school" Rutgers scarlet - the Targum in 1900 described the color as 65% blood red and 35% cadmium orange to give it its brightness.
NO.. that pantone 186 is for PRINT as part of a style guide for printed materials.
That is.. ink on largely white paper is one thing.. choices of color in a style guide aimed at stuff people will read has nothing to do with color used for other purposes.
I think it was @Source who came up with a text description of Rutgers "scarlet" as a percentage of red to orange.
simply saying pantone 186 is not the way to go. that is a muted, darker red than scarlet because that looks better on paper and a bright scarlet on bright white paper would be bad.
if we keep making the mistake of using pantone 186 for everything we will have more of a brick red color everywhere rather than scarlet.
YES.. thanks for beating me to it.
We must stop the scourge of pantone 186 for everything. Women can, generally, see more shades of red than men do.. I wonder who it was that chose pantone 186 in the first place. It is fine for paper.. for everything else it sucks.. sucks is too much.. it is just not scarlet.. The New England Pats call is "Classic Red"... which is a muted red.
You can see a color blend as @Source described here..
https://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/color-blend/#BB0A1E:ED872D:9:hex
hex color #CA3023 is pretty much what is described as Rutgers scarlet.
https://encycolorpedia.com/ca3023
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everyone: well, at least they can't argue about scarlet
rutgers fans: hold my beer
rutgers fans: hold my beer
just think of how many different shades of red you have seen on uniforms. Nike, Adidas, Riddel or Schutt.. whoever it is probably got the same instructions as to our official colors. Surely one of those looked more correct to you than others.
Until the pandemic, I worked in a local hardware store that sold Benjamin Moore paint. My girlfriend and I also recently bought our first house, and have been repainting rooms among other things.
Two things:
1) Women seeing more shades of color. I never thought this was true, until I've seen multiple women (my Girlfriend included) pour over paint samples for hours with little resolution. I don't think its as much "seeing" more shades of color (I've always had fine vision) - as much as it is just me not caring past a certain point, whether a color is 10% lighter or darker lol...
2) Light can definitely screw with how a color looks. Depending on the paint and the color, it may look drastically different in light vs shade, etc. You could always test out a color, but being that its your front door I would understand not wanting to do this. My boss always said, although this goes for a interior room color and not a door necessarily, if you're trying to pick between a lighter shade and a darker shade of a color, pick the lighter one.
Good luck OP!
color is tough.. just hanging a swatch on a wall has its own difficulties as everything the eye sees affects its perception of color. So a small swatch on a big wall will never give you the truth of how it will look once the full wall has that color.
as for the shades of red.. I think I saw it in some sciency-type show that suggested that hunting caused males to develop better motion awareness and depth perception while colors.. to better judge ripeness and similar issues in plants.. developed in females. And Darwin would tell us that the most successful passed on their genes during many millennia of hunter/gatherer culture.
Nah. It's perfectly fine to use pantone 186 as the reference, since it then gets converted to a paint color by a computer program to match that. It seems closer to stop red #cf142b Hex Color based on Source's 2016 post citing the 1869 Targum "defined the color scarlet as a mix of 85% blood red and 15% cadmium orange."
https://encycolorpedia.com/cf142b
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/uniforms.82599/page-6#post-1775547
"While the uniforms have featured scarlet, black and white in their make-up, Rutgers has only one official color - scarlet. It was first proposed in the Targum and ratified by almost all the students at daily services in Kirkpatrick Chapel on May 17, 1869 and made official by the school administration in January, 1900. They defined the color scarlet as a mix of 85% blood red and 15% cadmium orange."
You used a link I provided then just looked up the equivalent of Pantone 186?
That's BS. It has nothing to do with a "the color scarlet as a mix of 85% blood red and 15% cadmium orange".
The first link I have actually shows a mixing of blood red and cadmium orange,, one of the stops about 2/3rd up is closest to the proper mix.
https://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/color-blend/#BB0A1E:ED872D:9:hex
Pantone 186 is not as bright a color as the scarlet defined as described and was chosen because the real scarlet is too bright to read and too bright to have a white letters on it. That's why the style guide muted the color down to Pantone 186. For print materials and even a lot of signage situations, it was the right thing to do from a design standpoint. Buit for uniforms and helmets and even doors.. go with the real bright scarlet.
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I'll leave you with this..
https://sproutnewmedia.com/color-guide-using-red-in-your-website-design/
"Using a bright orangey-red background and white text can be a little too much for the eyes, but using a darker red can ease the effect."
Either learn why Pantone 186 was chosen.. as a style guide for print... or not.
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"Rutgers' official school color is scarlet—red (Pantone® 186) and website HTML# cc0033."
There is no mention of an alternative.
My door is Pantone 186. The local hardware store mixes up a Benjamin Moore for me. Looks great.
and if you look at the source for that.. it is all about PRINT
https://communications.rutgers.edu/brand-policies/visual-identity/identity-elements
I'm glad you are happy with it.. but for many uses.. like uniforms.. it is simply not "scarlet".
For PRINT purposes it is perfect.. because print tends to come out duller and even if you wanted the bright scarlet red, as shown in my previous link, it is just not right to put bright red next to bright white and expect it to be readable.
What I have been saying all along is that the choice of Pantone 186 was not made to represent the Scarlet the students chose. It was chosen to be close and READABLE in print. It was chosen for its dullness.
And as for arguing about it.. I am informing just like source did with quoting the mix of colors and as you did in citing Pantone 186.
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“if you're trying to pick between a lighter shade and a darker shade of a color, pick the lighter one.”
Absolutely agree. Has always worked for us.
After persuing this thread I suggest you paint your door Scarlet and put a giant Block White R on it (Centered).
Now I realize that the R could be mistaken for Rice, Rochester or Rensselaer (perhaps others that I'm not familiar with).
So cut to the chase, and paint the door Scarlet, with a Big White Block R and underneath, tag it with #Rutgers Scarlet Knights in appropriate font ....smaller than the Block R, but large enough to be seen by the process server who's been trying to serve you since Covid broke out.
MO
PS Mods: can you bring back the Block R to the emoji's on this site. Of course you'll want to make sure that the color is Scarlet and not some knock off or half hearted imitation.
I just returned from the shore but the fireworks still seem to still be going off!
When deciding upon "scarlet" the 1869 Targum leading up to the student vote in May did cite "cherry red" as an example of where they wanted to go with the color of "scarlet." Essentially, they were looking for an eye popping red.
Believe it or not, having a school color was not quite as normal as today. A school literally could have a school color that no one else had back in 1869. The Harvard Crimson were actually the Harvard Magenta until the mid-1870s. And its why NYU is still the Violet - not after the flower but after the color.
And men and women do perceive colors differently. I have heard females will see the "green" of a green light while males perceive a slightly different green leaning toward aqua.
“Pantone 186” of the Pantone Color Matching System is the accepted scarlet color standard of today’s Rutgers University letterhead. The color scheme on the internet is represented by “cc0033 R204G0 B51.”
When deciding upon "scarlet" the 1869 Targum leading up to the student vote in May did cite "cherry red" as an example of where they wanted to go with the color of "scarlet." Essentially, they were looking for an eye popping red.
Believe it or not, having a school color was not quite as normal as today. A school literally could have a school color that no one else had back in 1869. The Harvard Crimson were actually the Harvard Magenta until the mid-1870s. And its why NYU is still the Violet - not after the flower but after the color.
And men and women do perceive colors differently. I have heard females will see the "green" of a green light while males perceive a slightly different green leaning toward aqua.
“Pantone 186” of the Pantone Color Matching System is the accepted scarlet color standard of today’s Rutgers University letterhead. The color scheme on the internet is represented by “cc0033 R204G0 B51.”
Pantone 186 is certainly closer to cherry than scarlet... I'll give it that. And if you were an entity forming today you'd certainly be well-served to choose standard colors that work well across all media.. video, web pages and print.
As for history.. Syracuse original colors were rose (pink) and pea-green... let's have a throw-back thing from that era with them.. that would be a hoot (unless we're the ones wearing the salmon "pink" uni's)
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Is that to include the (TM ) designation on the lower right or not (that is part of the style guide)
Then, if the (TM) is there, is that centered with the (TM) designation or centered without it?
(yeah.. that's a pet peeve too.. all I want is the "R".. not the trademark sign.. stick that on a product tag I can take off and toss out)
My personal opinion is that the color is Red. For years the school used Red as its main color on everything. They may have called it "Scarlet," but it was just Red. The team's uniforms were Red. Once the clothing companies started screwing around with the uniforms (2008?), we got things like the pink/salmon uniforms and other nonsense. But traditionally? The school has used Red.
This is Red ...
This was also Red ...
Still Red ...
They may look slightly different, but it's the lighting, not the actual color.
This is Red ...
This was also Red ...
Still Red ...
They may look slightly different, but it's the lighting, not the actual color.
YesMy personal opinion is that the color is Red. For years the school used Red as its main color on everything. They may have called it "Scarlet," but it was just Red. The team's uniforms were Red. Once the clothing companies started screwing around with the uniforms (2008?), we got things like the pink/salmon uniforms and other nonsense. But traditionally? The school has used Red.
This is Red ...
This was also Red ...
Still Red ...
They may look slightly different, but it's the lighting, not the actual color.
Maybe
Eh
Real scarlet is red with orange tinge to it. It’s about a quarter of the way from red towards orange on the spectrum. As said above, our uniforms have almost never been scarlet.
you need to show the same uni in three different lighting conditions. But, that point is correct.. and still.. those 3 different unis probably do have 3 different reds made from different materials that handle the light differently. And as said earlier.. different people see colors differently.. many men.. most men.. cannot distinguish different shades of red like most women can.My personal opinion is that the color is Red. For years the school used Red as its main color on everything. They may have called it "Scarlet," but it was just Red. The team's uniforms were Red. Once the clothing companies started screwing around with the uniforms (2008?), we got things like the pink/salmon uniforms and other nonsense. But traditionally? The school has used Red.
This is Red ...
This was also Red ...
Still Red ...
They may look slightly different, but it's the lighting, not the actual color.
Has anyone here swapped a "warm white" bulb for a "daylight" bulb recently? Same lumens (or wattage) but HUGE difference in how colors look.
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Take a color perception test here..
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/575383/color-perception-test
you monitor may make a difference.. but it seems about right to me.. I got 9 out of 10.. missed the purple question
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/575383/color-perception-test
you monitor may make a difference.. but it seems about right to me.. I got 9 out of 10.. missed the purple question
I got all the pie shaped ones right, and then went on a streak of missing everything else.
The multiple fill-ins.. the lightest shades were easy to get.. the darker fill-in at the top, I would try one then back out if it looked the same as the one above/below.. I forget which one was easiest.. maybe the yellow. As for the numbers/letters, the red was hardest to see... but i got them all. The pink pie shape gave me pause... the 2 identical pieces... I got it right but I was not sure. Could easily have missed it. So... I think I might have an issue with pinks/purples.. or my monitor does.. or my settings on my monitor.. or all of the above.
The Rutgers red to me has gotten more “orange” lately compared to the Schiano years where it was a darker, deeper red like a new fire engine. That’s the one I like the best, but that’s just me. The new “branding” culture of Nike/marketing dept has shifted to a pinker, oranger, “salmon”er color, but I always preferred the red.
I think that kind of subtle or not so subtle color shift would be primarily based on differentiating from direct competition who are also officially supposed to be wearing scarlet (Ohio State and Nebraska).
