Rutgers has been outscored by 164 points in first 6 Big 10 games
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Its hard to keep the score respectable when you know Rutgers will go into long scoring droughts like 15-0 to start the second half.The shot clock is killing Rutgers because they have to shoot within 30 seconds which gives the opponent too many chances to roll up the score.
You know if I didn't know better, I would think you enjoy making these threads. Did you think the team played hard and gave their top effort but because of their depleted roster they couldn't rebound and when Ohio State missed they got rebounds and scored again? Or are you just trying to kill Eddie again?
Corey and Daniels played well tonight although Daniels has to play better defense , go after loose balls and rebound. Mike unfortunately was off tonight, Lewis gives us next to nothing other than a big guy that can give fouls, and Goode was Goode. Grier and DJ tried real hard too but the height difference reared its ugly head.
How many of the 5 games were when we were down to 7 players, including Lewis and Goode? Want to know if you know the answer. Right now you are acting like a Seton Hall or St. John's fan that we cannot stand.
Are you talking about football or basketball? Maybe Eddie got a hold of Kyle Flood's notes and was using them for guidance.
email the Big 10 network because they came up with this stat and it is was within 5 minutes of the game ending so obviously they were searching through their records to find if another school ever was this bad in the Big 10. So I didn't make up the stats
anyway I apologize the correct margin is 114.
So you were only off by 28 points. We lost to Indiana , currently 4-0 in first place by 7 in a game that went to the wire when we had Laurent . We played with Wisconsin until Lewis knocked heads with Laurent , who has been out since. We are depleted and get dominated on the boards and in points in the paint where the differential is between 20-30 since Laurent has been out and Lewis has been a total non factor not scoring or rebounding the last few games.
If you are a real fan , open your eyes and accept the harsh reality and stop pounding these kids and the coach.
I have been a season ticket holder for 25 years and hardly ever miss a home game. I have posted critical things against Eddie over the last 2plus years but it is time to stop and support the program and the remaining players. If you cannot then stop posting. You are doing this team no good.
I either misheard or they gave the wrong number. Email the Big 10 network and tell them to stop saying mean things about Rutgers. I corrected and apologized for my error. It doesn't change the fact that the 5 game stat is the worst in Big 10 history, meaning we literally are the worst team to ever play in the Big 10. We are worse than last year despite everyone saying losing Mack and Jack wont matter...and of course we lost Etou and that is on Eddie We lost two Johnsons in the off season..thats on Eddie...we have one if not more playing at a level too high..thats on Eddie. You want to have injuries excuse everything but that's not the entire story either.
Losing Mack or Jack are non factors vs last year to this year, if you have realistic replacements. Etou and Jack are not being replaced by Power Forwards like Freeman (Out) and Diallo/Doorson (Out) to help on the glass.
That is a reality towards the numbers, I seriously doubt anyone has an inkling that Sanders hasn't clearly been as productive as Mack has been, even with some off games mixed in....the numbers for Sanders are all B1G Frosh caliber.
It's clear that we did not see Freeman at anything close to 100% and he is a very high caliber player when healthy. Etou's loss was supposed to be offset by Diallo/Doorson, both who are young and could slow down the bleeding on the glass. Laurent's flashes have been uneven, but at least relevant for a frosh in a Power 5 league.
Foreman also is a forward on the team capable of rebounds, but is not a two-way player like Etou showed flashes of being at times. Ideally, you would want an Etou helping but Freeman was landed clearly with the goal of replacing Etou who must have had one foot out the door last year.
I am not thrilled with the defense over this tenure regardless of whether it was Year 1 or Year 3. We don't defend with the intensity necessary to allow the scoring of Sanders to have more of an impact.
That is a reality towards the numbers, I seriously doubt anyone has an inkling that Sanders hasn't clearly been as productive as Mack has been, even with some off games mixed in....the numbers for Sanders are all B1G Frosh caliber.
It's clear that we did not see Freeman at anything close to 100% and he is a very high caliber player when healthy. Etou's loss was supposed to be offset by Diallo/Doorson, both who are young and could slow down the bleeding on the glass. Laurent's flashes have been uneven, but at least relevant for a frosh in a Power 5 league.
Foreman also is a forward on the team capable of rebounds, but is not a two-way player like Etou showed flashes of being at times. Ideally, you would want an Etou helping but Freeman was landed clearly with the goal of replacing Etou who must have had one foot out the door last year.
I am not thrilled with the defense over this tenure regardless of whether it was Year 1 or Year 3. We don't defend with the intensity necessary to allow the scoring of Sanders to have more of an impact.
Your reply is that we lost Mack and Jack, 2 of our best players over their time here and good Big 10 players. We lost 2 Johnsons which are more bodies and yes that is on Eddie, we lost Etou, another Big 10 player and again I agree that is on Eddie especially since he did not replace him with a rebounder , and we have Goode and Lewis and 3 walkons to fill in the gaps. I guess you can blame that on Eddie too.
What you cannot blame on Eddie is what is happening in games now missing 4 front court players, who would rebound, block shots, and score. Lewis has not scored the last 2 games or 2 of the last 3.
Why you cannot see that and want to push your can Eddie agenda is enough already. We all get it. We are not happy with the product but if they are trying as hard as they can , like they did last night , then we can wish it would be better but right now it is not. Act like a fan of this program and support this program realizing its present limitation
Mack's heart is missed, the other two wouldn't make RU much better if everyone was healthy.
Jack didn't play up to his talent and Etou seemed not to be a factor most games from what I've read on this board.
Their experience would help, but unless they played better this season, RU would still be a bad team.
As for the Mike Rice holding RU back, it might still be true, but Eddie isn't doing anything to prove that theory the way the team is playing injuries and all.
Jack didn't play up to his talent and Etou seemed not to be a factor most games from what I've read on this board.
Their experience would help, but unless they played better this season, RU would still be a bad team.
As for the Mike Rice holding RU back, it might still be true, but Eddie isn't doing anything to prove that theory the way the team is playing injuries and all.
Freeman is the major loss here. You are projecting nonsense thinking Diallo or Doorson were difference makers. Yes the losses wouldnt be by 30 they would be by 20. I say nothing in Diallos game this year that we eould give us other than fouls and minutes. Doorson showed last year he needed a ton of work to help. Alot of people assuming that injuries wont nag these players in the future...usually they do. Eddie should be recruiting replacements to cover himself. Every year there is roster transfers. There will be this year too
Now you are starting to sound totally unintelligent. We have been outscored without even looking for the exact figure by appromately 30 points in the paint. If you do not think Diallo and Doorson would not have gotten some rebounds that led to put backs or would not block shots to prevent uncontested layups then you are just delusional.
I have tried hard to explain it to you but you are just thick. No one is happy with what Eddie has done but if you do not think missing 4 front court players is affecting the product you have watched the last 4 games, then you are either blind or lack Basketball IQ.
really because Diallo first 8 games or whatever he played he was a total non factor. Sure they would get some rebounds. We weren't going to get appreiciable scoring from him or Doorson.
Freeman..yes huge loss but we were bad even when he was playing. Laurent..its a loss but RU played 13 or 14 games with him. Player with a lot of upside but he had games where he was no show. That's great you keep focusing on the injuries but I don't even need to go this argument, player management, recruiting the roster which I alluded to before is enough to damn the regime...and fact is year 4 will have less talent on this team than year 1
Freeman..yes huge loss but we were bad even when he was playing. Laurent..its a loss but RU played 13 or 14 games with him. Player with a lot of upside but he had games where he was no show. That's great you keep focusing on the injuries but I don't even need to go this argument, player management, recruiting the roster which I alluded to before is enough to damn the regime...and fact is year 4 will have less talent on this team than year 1
The injuries are the issue. Period.
We do not have to get into the 25 years of neglect and piss poor action by our administration and athletic department that has us in this mess today.
I do not know how old you are but when I was at Rutgers 1975-1979, we were one of the 3 best teams in the east with Syracuse and St. John's . We beat them they beat us.
Gruninger shits the bed and listens to Joe Pa and he declined the Big East not once but twice. Young leaves because he cannot recruit against the Big East and our program that was near the top starts its slow decline.
We could have hired Penders, Belein and then with Mulchaly , Jay Wright. We pulled a Rutgers always going on the cheap. Wenzel over achieved a few years, We get Bannon as our 3rd or 4th choice and he does better than expected until he tries naked foul shooting
We get Waters to bring some integrity to the program and instead of Big Bob letting Hill be the Jersey recruiter Waters was lacking on the staff, he sabotages him promising Hill who had never coached before the job.
Hill recruits but is a disaster as a coach.
Pernetti hires Mike Rice and Rutgers makes negative headlines and is embarrassed nationally.
The transfer carousel keeps on spinning a and eddie is left with this mess. Last year was a bitter disappointment. Any team with Mack, Jack and Etou should have won more games in the Big 10. That is on Eddie who failed with his Nba ways and his failure to stress defense and failed to get Jack and Etou to play to their full potential.
That brings us to this year. The minute Freeman gets hurt we are in trouble. If he isn't limping we likely beat Wake Forest. Then Diallo, then Laurent, a one legged Lewis and the injuries make it hard to judge the product.
Do I think Eddie would do better with Sanders and Nigel Johnson at guards and Freeman , Laurent and Doorson up front with Mike, DJ, Diallo off the bench and be competitive in the Big 10 next year? I do . You don't. But stop the bullshit and support the players remaining and this program
How can I ignore you when you start a thousand threads most of them negative.
We have lost 19 straight B1G games. Have been killed in all but 1 B1G game so far. Positive threads are either dreams or fiction.
Debating the impact of injuries would have relevance if this was a unique circumstance .Every season there have been issues on and off the court.The bottom line is the program has no relevance and there is no way that can be disputed .The remaining games will be brutal to watch because Rutgers will be a big underdog in just about every game.The league losing streak is 20 games which is another sign of lack of relevance.For the players this is a nightmare and hopefully it will get them mad enough to come back next year with revenge in mind . The head coach next season must change course and show tangible positive results in the won /loss record.No more kicking the can down the road with the latest lame excuse.
Who was being positive? Just telling Bac to lay off the team and the coach at this point .
sorry but I actually don't start that many threads...first page on this board...I started 5 threads, one the prediction, two the OSU point spread, three on Northwestern, four was about emailing Hobbs our concerns about the program and five was stating just what the Big 10 Network said on air last night. You meanwhile decided to restart an old discussion instead of posting in the original thread by posting a new thread specifically calling me out on the notion that somehow Nebraska blowing a horrible Minnesota team somehow makes it acceotable that RU gave no effort from the get go in that game at home.
meanwhile you have accepted that the team will go 0-18 this year and that its excusable. Its your right to fee that way. Its my right to disagree. And its not just me, so its not like I am so minority on these feelings
Unfortunately when discussing the program, virtually everything is going to start to turn to a negative. You can stick your head in the sand, if you feel its alright the team is going to finish 6-26, losing 40 of 47 games and a 34 game Big 10 losing streak then what else could we possibly talk about. Because those are the hard facts heading into the offseason where Hobbs will be making a decision to extend or fire.
Let's make it really simple:
We're a terrible team. Just awful. Deficient in every aspect. We'd be a little less terrible if healthy.
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We're a terrible team. Just awful. Deficient in every aspect. We'd be a little less terrible if healthy.
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Lol about you not starting many threads. The reason I started the thread was you belittled how well Nebraska played and tried to say it was because RU gave no effort. My point was we were depleted. Obviously my eyes were better than yours because Nebraska followed up their good game with another blowout . You belittled Minnesota again saying we gave no effort. You are wrong. It is not so much effort as incapable of competing with this roster. Get your facts straight.
I am not accepting and definitely not happy there is a good chance we might not win again this year, but I do not take glee in it the way you post to get your Can Eddie agenda to come true.
Saying I am sticking my head in the sand shows how stupid your reading comprehension is. Stay away from the games and these boards for the season and maybe you will get your wish and Eddie will be gone and then you can slam the next coach or the players.
What was your assessment of the team's play before the injuries started this season?
he didn't have any...I don't recall him showing up unti recently. And who has the agenda:popcorn:
Goru7.....don't argue with these clowns anymore.
Jordan will be back next year with a full roster...you should resume the conversation at that time. If they want to discuss recruiting, tell them to resume that conversation after the spring signing period. Trying to reason with this group of crusaders is useless. Just let them wallow in their negativity. For some reason it makes them feel good.....it's sad to be so miserable. I would not be surprised if they all had ulcers from all the negativity.....every day, over and over and over.
If you read through the threads over time you will notice that they ignore any positive development...but will automatically gravitate towards any negative news or comment. If a highly rated HS recruit is quoted that Rutgers is recruiting him very hard...they ignore it. If someone posts that Rutgers has not yet offered some 9th grader they'll harp on that...it's sad. I've had enough of it.
Jordan will be back next year with a full roster...you should resume the conversation at that time. If they want to discuss recruiting, tell them to resume that conversation after the spring signing period. Trying to reason with this group of crusaders is useless. Just let them wallow in their negativity. For some reason it makes them feel good.....it's sad to be so miserable. I would not be surprised if they all had ulcers from all the negativity.....every day, over and over and over.
If you read through the threads over time you will notice that they ignore any positive development...but will automatically gravitate towards any negative news or comment. If a highly rated HS recruit is quoted that Rutgers is recruiting him very hard...they ignore it. If someone posts that Rutgers has not yet offered some 9th grader they'll harp on that...it's sad. I've had enough of it.
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Please fill me in on any positives from this year. I have not seen any. from where I am sitting. The whole game day experience is deplorable. Give me player stats, record stats, attendance stats to show me we are developing into a competitive B1G team.
Yes but that's because of the Diallo and Doorson losses. Without their ability to foul and look like huge disappointments, the team has been unable to function as Eddie envisioned, and that's not on him. Yes, they've only been injured for 5 of those losses, but again that's not in Eddie. They both very well could have been injured and on the roster last year but Diallo wasn't either and Doorson while around chose not to be injured. That's not on Eddie either. Is its Eddie's fault that these injuries weren't available reasons when Louisville beat RU by 7,000 points, or that Freeman and Laurent happened to be around for some of this preseason's abominable performances? No way. Many players beyond Doorson could have been injured during this time but only Doorson chose to be so. Even Diallo chose to be healthy and wildly unproductive at that time. That's on him, not Eddie.
Perhaps if the team were better conditioned they wouldn't be getting hurt so much. I'm 50 years old and I bet I can bench press more than any of the dudes on the roster. They look soft.
They have always been soft. Why do you think Rice was smacking them with the pads? When was the last time they have been consistent going hard to the basket? They are afraid.
Doesn't fit the Ohio narrative.
We looked like crap in almost every game this season, including vs all but 1 of the cupcakes, and NONE OF THE POSITOIDS WILL ACKNOWLEDGE OR DISCUSS THIS PART OF THE SEASON.
Then we have injuries, and that excuses all the garbage.
I really wish we had a full healthy squad all season.
That way there would be no doubt of what we have (good, bad, or somewhere in between)
Now we might have to wait another year to reach the inevitable conclusion.
I doubt this team ever gets out of the bottom 4 with Eddie in charge.
I thought there was good team play and an inside presence before Freeman went down. Sanders and Freeman's passing alone was better than anything seen around here for a while. If Grier stepped up out of the gate then with Sanders, Daniels, Wiliams in the backcourt with Grier and Laurent on the wings and Freeman , Lewis and Diallo up front we would win some and be more competitive. Ruman wants to cite the Central Arkansas game but leaves out the St. John's , Wake Forest and Creighton games that easily could have been wins. Once Freeman goes down, we have no low post scoring since Lewis refused to develop a post game or was incapable . Then Diallo goes down and clearly he needed work offensively but he could rebound and he could block shots. Then Laurent goes down. How do you think the team did against Monmouth with Laurent and Indiana with Laurent. At least competitive and could have won both. Then Laurent goes down and Lewis , who is so limited to begin with, plays on one leg and doesn't score or rebound the last 2 games. We lost the points in the paint battle by close to 30 the last few games bc we are playing with our tallest guy at 6'4. The roster is depleted. Like the Nebraska coach said, Eddie is showing up at a gunfight with a knife.
Like Grg, I did not like the lack of defense , intensity or rebounding that Eddie either did not stress enough or the players , like Daniels, who has the talent but refuses to do it in the games. The effort the other night on defense and on the boards against Ohio State was very good until their wore out.
I agree Eddie has to do better but the players, Daniels , Williams, DJ, Grier and Corey have to play better, and harder. Even if they do the roster makes it hard to win right now.
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