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Schools with as many or more players out than Rutgers

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Keep hearing the injury excuse being used to excuse this whole season. I wont get into how many of the top schools around the country have their best or 2nd best players out for an indefinite period of time including Indiana, Ilinois, and Michigan but I found an injury tracker on this site and you will see Rutgers has company and some of these schools have even more players out than RU. Injuries are tough for any school and yes injuries have hurt RU as it has these other schools but you have to persevere with what you have and find ways to adjust. Also in the case of RU you cannot discount the roster mismanagement with transfers of 3 players expected to play minutes some of them significant in Etou, Johnson and Johnson...plus also hoding back a scholarship offer for a transfer in that perhaps could have been used. All this is just my rebuttal to those saying I and others are ignoring injuries. Injuries are part of the game, perhaps if this roster was full in the first place it wouldn't be hurting the progress right now.


#13 Arizona (17-5): 3
Arkansas St (10-11): 5
Auburn (9-11): 4
Boston U (12-11): 4
BYU (16-7): 3
Cal Poly (8-12): 3
Cleveland State (7-16): 3
Coll of Charleston (13-8): 4
Davidson (12-7): 3
Delaware (5-16): 3
E Tennessee State (13-9): 3
Illinois (10-12): 4
IUPUI (11-13): 3
Minnesota (6-16): 3
Mississippi State (9-11): 3
UNC Greensboro (8-14): 4
New Mexico (13-8): 3
Penn (6-11): 3
Pepperdine (14-8): 3
Rutgers (6-16): 3
Santa Clara (8-15): 3
SE Missouri St (5-17): 3
#18 SMU (19-1): 3
South Florida (5-18): 4
So Mississippi (7-12): 4
St John's (7-15): 3
Utah (17-5): 3
Virginia Tech (12-10): 3
Western Kentucky (11-11): 3
Wisconsin (13-9): 3

30 schools...12 of them .500 or above and 2 ranked. Rutgers and Minnesota are in the bottom 5 recordwise. Take whatever you want from this list but there was a poster that says no other school has suffered as many injuries and here is evidence that there are others.


http://www.donbest.com/ncaab/injuries/
 
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Not trying to defend EJ in any way, as I believe we need to go in another direction, but I think the biggest issue with our injuries is that they are all to front court players leaving us with absolutely no size to compete down low. I don't know about the other teams on your list, but I'd bet that their injuries still leave them with players over 6'4" to play.
 
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ouchmyknee said:
Not trying to defend EJ in any way, as I believe we need to go in another direction, but I think the biggest issue with our injuries is that they are all to front court players leaving us with absolutely no size to compete down low. I don't know about the other teams on your list, but I'd bet that their injuries still leave them with players over 6'4" to play.
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Lewis and Foreman are under 6'4" ?
 
Fair point but RU still has Foreman and Lewis. Illinois after their injury last night will only have a 6ft 11 player and no one over 6ft7. Lets note that with Diallo and Freeman the results were not good either.

I just don't like the magic wand excuse for this season, I am not buying it
 
Kbee3 said:
Lewis and Foreman are under 6'4" ?
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not trying to jump on the excuse wagon..but Lewis is supposed to be hurt as well. And let's face it. 5th year player who's contribution most days is a couple of 12ft shots. Foreman cannot do it himself. He is not a 5.

I agree. It is where the injuries are and how thin RU's bench was already. I don't think this is a good team regardless but I do think it made a huge impact to the season.

And you can certainly put me in the camp of EJ should be doing better with what he does have.
 
Local Shill said:
Diallo and Freeman played against Wake, Creighton and St. John's, neither of which are any good (and in the case of St. John's almost as horrendous as we are).
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shh not to mention life and death struggles against 2-19 Cent Connecticut State and 3-14 Central Arkansas
 
Local Shill said:
Diallo and Freeman played against Wake, Creighton and St. John's, neither of which are any good (and in the case of St. John's almost as horrendous as we are).
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Yeah, but we were still without Shaq.
 
I do think that our situation is somewhat unique.

Having said that, I also think that the recruiting class for next season has to include a skilled big man/Kadeem Jack type player.

Next year we are left with Doorson and Diallo. I like Doorson long term, but don't see Diallo as a major minutes Big Ten player. So we really have to replace Lewis with a much better big player and push Diallo to the end of the bench for the recruiting class to be a successful crop. That means one and possibly two guys who can play PF/C, and at a minimum one who has to have Freeman skills but more size. It's a tall order, but we're in the Big 10, it has to be done.

I do like that the two guys coming in next year thus far are big guards (especially the second get whose name escapes me). People who say there is no plan are not seeing the obvious push to get bigger swingmen who can pass/cut/finish in this offense. Question is can this staff get the talent level necessary to compete.
 
bac2therac said:
Fair point but RU still has Foreman and Lewis. Illinois after their injury last night will only have a 6ft 11 player and no one over 6ft7. Lets note that with Diallo and Freeman the results were not good either.

I just don't like the magic wand excuse for this season, I am not buying it
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Oh come on, Illinois played three people for significant minutes in their last game who are 6'10" tall or 6'11" tall. (Fink, Morgan and Thorne). One of them bruised his knee against Wisconsin and will likely not miss a substantial amount of time.The three average almost 30 points among them. We have one healthy six-foot 8 inch player who came in as a three man and one 6'9" center who is limited to 20 minutes per game because of his bad knee. We have had to play substantial meaningful minutes with only one player over 6'4" tall. There is no comparison, and if I had time, I would pick apart your chart just as easily.The situation here is very unique.
 
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um sorry but Thorne hasn't been playing..check the stats...he has missed like 15 games, coming back for the Indiana game but looks like shut down since.

They have Morgan and Finke...who is having a mri on his knee so that leaves them with just those two big guys, one if Finke is out
 
Bac-

As others have mentioned, RU's injuries are all to front-court players, which is particularly problematic. In addition, as you point out, the fact that we were already down 2 scholarship players to start the season before any injuries is really a big part of the problem and one for which Eddie is responsible. I'd like to see how many of the schools on your list have only 8 scholarship players - one of whom (Goode) barely plays because he does not appear to have the skills necessary to compete in the conference. The lack of depth on on roster is probably worse than any of the schools you list, but I agree that is partly Eddie's fault in managing scholarships and retaining players.
 
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Diallo was playing poorly before getting hurt. Who knows what Doorson could give us, but he was just a body last year. Freeman is good but is undersized.

So, I'm guessing we may have 1 more win or maybe 2 if they were healthy? Maybe the same amount of wins?

Next year we lose Lewis in the frontcourt. Who is replacing him?
 
To be fair, the problem with our injuries being all frontcourt players is that there is no depth and room for breathers for Lewis and Foreman. Aside from Freeman, it certainly isn't the quality of play that we are missing. That begin said, there is nothing to prove or disprove that the results would have been any different.

However, my guess is that is they all were healthy it would have resulted in zero more wins. Perhaps the 30 point losses would have been 15-20 points instead and the 40 point lossess would have been 25-30....big deal. It will be a real shame if the injuries keep Jordan here another year.
 
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I believe we would have beaten Wake Forest. Freeman played that game but only played a few minutes in the second half and could barely walk. He didn't play more than 2-3 minutes early in the second half and sat like the last 15 minutes of the game. It is true we have lost all frontcourt players. The injury list shows many players who have injuries but are probable for the next game. In fact it shows Illinois might have 3 guys back tomorrow. Nunn returned vs. Wisconsin and scored 15 points. Finke sounds like he only banged knees with another guy. Somehow I think they both will play vs. RU. Losing Doorson really hurt us. If you look at the highlights that someone had a thread on from last year he actually did very well against some big guys. I hope he is 100% next year. Lewis is not nearly as good this year as he was last year. He has basically been playing on one leg all year. Foreman is trying to do his best but often guys are just so much bigger than him.
 
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Rutgers is crippled with injuries and the options of playing with a small line-up are very limited when the team is not loaded with 3-ball shooters. Last year Dayton was plagued by injuries similar to our's this year, and thrived.
 
80RU said:
Oh come on, Illinois played three people for significant minutes in their last game who are 6'10" tall or 6'11" tall. (Fink, Morgan and Thorne). One of them bruised his knee against Wisconsin and will likely not miss a substantial amount of time.The three average almost 30 points among them. We have one healthy six-foot 8 inch player who came in as a three man and one 6'9" center who is limited to 20 minutes per game because of his bad knee. We have had to play substantial meaningful minutes with only one player over 6'4" tall. There is no comparison, and if I had time, I would pick apart your chart just as easily.The situation here is very unique.
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It always is
 
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Did you mention Duke. Lost 4 out of five with one kid hurt. Have not played Carolina yet either. Why don't you mention them?
 
knights1212 said:
I believe we would have beaten Wake Forest. Freeman played that game but only played a few minutes in the second half and could barely walk. He didn't play more than 2-3 minutes early in the second half and sat like the last 15 minutes of the game. It is true we have lost all frontcourt players. The injury list shows many players who have injuries but are probable for the next game. In fact it shows Illinois might have 3 guys back tomorrow. Nunn returned vs. Wisconsin and scored 15 points. Finke sounds like he only banged knees with another guy. Somehow I think they both will play vs. RU. Losing Doorson really hurt us. If you look at the highlights that someone had a thread on from last year he actually did very well against some big guys. I hope he is 100% next year. Lewis is not nearly as good this year as he was last year. He has basically been playing on one leg all year. Foreman is trying to do his best but often guys are just so much bigger than him.
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I didnt include Nunn on my list...Illinois has 3 players out not including Finke... Thorn, Black, and Abrams have been out..if Finke cant go that's 4. Still that means they have the same amount out as RU and they have only two big men so cant use the injury excuse against Illinois
 
Are you also taking into account that we just got Laurent back & have been doing much better with him around.
 
cyrock3 said:
Are you also taking into account that we just got Laurent back & have been doing much better with him around.
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Another thing that I do not understand is how EJ can conduct practices under the circumstances. We know that GL can only practice in a very limited way. Who guards Foreman in practice when GL is sitting out? How does he prepare to guard a big post?
 
what a laugn---bac wants just about everyone working for RU fired except for what's her name
 
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Just wonder how many of those schools lost the rotation players RU did and how many were expected to make a difference when they got playing time.
Also RU's lack of height is causing problems because of injuries along with the walking wounded toughing it out every game.

Not excusing Jordan as a coach or recruiter, but feel piling on every little thing that can be added to put Jordan down is a bit much.
 
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My point was they have one kid out and are not playing well. You think we should be playing better with 3 kids out and have no bench?
 
There is no doubt we can and should use injuries as an excuse. It can explain our losing. It shouldn't be used as a crutch. No reason we should be being embarrassed every night, except 2.

Bottom line is we have been lacking a defensive identity since Jordan came here. Our results are worse with no length.

Goode, Grier, Daniels, and Nigel Johnson are hurting us in D as much as missing Freeman, Doorson, etc.
 
rather be an old fart than a huge ahole who bitches and moans about everything other than his wet dream AD
 
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.it seems like you are the one still fascinated with Julie because virtually every post of yours still talks about her. Ive moved on. Pat Hobbs is my AD and I support him. I cant help it that Julie pissed in your Cheerios again...and again...and again... but you simply need to move on dear. Tim Pernetti isn't coming back plus the creepy stalker look doesn't look so good on you.
 
Illinois seems like a mirror image right now. Both team with a lot of youth. Nunn though is a great player but Sanders blows away anything they have running the point.
 
this is a bac thing not a Julie thing--yeah I react to the a$$es comments and if you read or remember he's still defending her BEFORE I respond--Can't take his bandwagon approach about firing coaches, and his constant negativity, win, lose or our playing better--his 80000 posts are not a testament -- and why do we need comparisons about injury reports of other teams?? to make our coach look bad --and by the way I'd love him to support RU with his pocketbook rather than his constant unconstructive criticism--from icy sidewalks to bad hotdogs and spend more posts convincing fans to contribute to RU for things like the build fund
 
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Sorry but just about everyone has moved on from Julie...you are the only one who keeps bringing hervup. And feel free to actual contribute to actual ddiscussion on any of these boards besides attacking posters and policing threads. In lightvof the RU injury situation yes its appropriate to start a discussion concerning other schools that may face these issues
 
ru66 said:
this is a bac thing not a Julie thing--yeah I react to the a$$es comments and if you read or remember he's still defending her BEFORE I respond--Can't take his bandwagon approach about firing coaches, and his constant negativity, win, lose or our playing better--his 80000 posts are not a testament -- and why do we need comparisons about injury reports of other teams?? to make our coach look bad --and by the way I'd love him to support RU with his pocketbook rather than his constant unconstructive criticism--from icy sidewalks to bad hotdogs and spend more posts convincing fans to contribute to RU for things like the build fund
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I don't think it's bac's job to convince fans to contribute to the Build Fund. That's Hobbs job. Stats don't lie. We've lost like 31 out of the last 36 games. Why do we need comparisons? Because other teams who have injuries somehow overcome this and guys step up. We are not seeing it here.
I think last year Michigan was down to 6 players and somehow beat up on RU.
 
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How does Nigel Johnson share any blame? He's redshirting!
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I think Greene means Jordan's decision to take in a transfer that had to sit out rather than use the schollie for immediate help with a player eligible to play this year....unfortunately for Eddie he had 3 transfers out in the offseason one of which would be a key cog and starter and rebounder
 
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Transfers and injuries are a part of the game. Roster management and player development are too. Being this short-handed, the coaches are not blameless. It is not all bad fortune.
 
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