Semi-OT: Warren now attending HS in NJ
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It doesn’t really seem legit. Hopefully not a situation where the kids and families are being taken advantage of.
I hear they’re playing Bishop Sycamore in their first game.
Bishop Sycamore HS beat Wagner College btw, which is what prompted Schiano to schedule them.
Reminds me of the Netflix movie - Amateur
Horribly flawed movie - but parts of it were really good but sad
Horribly flawed movie - but parts of it were really good but sad
Shelby , are you as big an ass in real life as you are on a message board?
Good luck to him, hope it works out. I still like his game. Jmike looks to be the better pg though. Probably wants a clearer path to starting..
This board is so much better with Shelby on IGNORE.
HS/AAU basketball is crazy.
For people much more informed, this has to reach a breaking point right?
These elite players globetrotting across the country and playing all these games non stop.
Similar to "RB carries", I wonder if there is eventually a similar warning for NBA draftees "He's great skill wise. But he's played 2,000 games in 4 HS years and traveled 50,000 miles. His body breaking down early is a concern."
For people much more informed, this has to reach a breaking point right?
These elite players globetrotting across the country and playing all these games non stop.
Similar to "RB carries", I wonder if there is eventually a similar warning for NBA draftees "He's great skill wise. But he's played 2,000 games in 4 HS years and traveled 50,000 miles. His body breaking down early is a concern."
Dellquan going to show up for his first day at address given and it's going to be a gazebo at a park next to a basketball court.
what's even more criminal is how the AAU Machine preys on clueless parents of B/C level kids ( think D3) who think they need to run out to Spooky Nook, AC, and Louisville every weekend so they don't miss out on the college coaches. (after they paid $2k for the team) $500+ hotel, $500 food for the trip, $20/day for parent to get in, $20/day to park, bend over rape concessions, it never ends.
Then they get there and there is literally ONE college coach watching their game, and he's from a Methodist College in Alabama trying to form a team.
Also fascinating how much the college coaches pay to go as well. Will cost a D2 coach about $600 - $700 per admission to go watch games for a weekend in AC (+ travel expense)
Then they get there and there is literally ONE college coach watching their game, and he's from a Methodist College in Alabama trying to form a team.
Also fascinating how much the college coaches pay to go as well. Will cost a D2 coach about $600 - $700 per admission to go watch games for a weekend in AC (+ travel expense)
I'm not one of those much more informed people, but I think it's heading in the other direction - more fake schools like Warren's. More stuff like OTE or G League-Ignite. People make money off that stuff.
It's sad how so many of these kids (and families) have their sights set so firmly on the NBA that they can't see what an opportunity a free college education is, especially now with NIL opportunities. So they'll choose a school like this over many other opportunities that likely provide better lifelong potential.
I was talking to someone who's daughter plays in our local Soccer Club.
4th Grade girls travel team.
They charged $500 evaluation! That's just to tryout I believe.
Not the fee for being on the team.
I may have the story slightly wrong but he was pretty mad about it because his daughter was already on the team the prior season and didn't want to pay another evaluation fee.
Note - we aren't a great club. I've heard it's basically a Rec+ team with volunteer coaches.
Promising kids leave to play elsewhere with dedicated coaches and trainers.
100% agree. Even parents of kids who are not even D3 level players.
Lots of people making money of those parents/kids.
Most of those coaches have no clue how to put players in colleges either - much less optimize kids' skills to become college players.
I used to think Spooky Nook was awesome, now I think it's tragic.
it's pretty terrible. look, if your kid is legit D1 player, or real good D2 level, then the tournaments are worth it to you. i would say 10 to 20 out of 100 teams at Spooky Nook on a given tournament weekend fall under higher level category with those kids. the others are filled with AT BEST D3 kids, who are spending a LOT of money to have no coaches watching their games. if you don't mind paying a lot for different competition compared to Hoop Group/Hoop Heaven/Sportika, and sometimes better competition, that's cool also.
from perspective of going to girls tournaments
Brutal.
I also hate that sports and coaches can teach great life lessons about teamwork, self-sacrifice for the greater good and so many other things and that's just about totally ignored by coaches whose #1 goal is self-promotion to keep their racket going while giving out t-shirts with "Family" on the back.
It's tough to be more cynical than I am when it comes to youth/HS sports.
Maybe he'll release a top 5?
who exactly is advising these kids
nobody gives a shit where you are going to high school
nobody gives a shit where you are going to high school
I think this is such an interesting discussion.
I have long held the advancement of club sports has done nothing but hurt local recreational leagues. The best way for a player who is performing at or below grade level to improve is to be on a team with children who are playing above grade level. Unfortunately, the clubs now suck all the best kids and those with money out of the rec programs, so they lack any kind of talent aside from some player who can’t afford club.
When I was a kid you played club if you had ambition to play in college – now you need to play club if you want to chance of making your high school team.
Other sports are holding showcases, where individual players travel to a location and spend a day doing drills and playing games. You do get some exposure to coaches, but the outcome typically is an invite to their individual prospect day, which is more travel, and another fee to participate.
I have long held the advancement of club sports has done nothing but hurt local recreational leagues. The best way for a player who is performing at or below grade level to improve is to be on a team with children who are playing above grade level. Unfortunately, the clubs now suck all the best kids and those with money out of the rec programs, so they lack any kind of talent aside from some player who can’t afford club.
When I was a kid you played club if you had ambition to play in college – now you need to play club if you want to chance of making your high school team.
Other sports are holding showcases, where individual players travel to a location and spend a day doing drills and playing games. You do get some exposure to coaches, but the outcome typically is an invite to their individual prospect day, which is more travel, and another fee to participate.
It’s crazy. When I played AAU late 80’s early 90’s. We had roughly 6-10 programs (real AAU that went to real tournaments) in the state. Now there are 10 in my area that are AAU in name only. No “real tournaments”. All glorified cyo/county events.
My teams were sponsored and didn’t charge the parents. Other than travel expenses (hotels, meals etc…). Now as others have said it is $2000 to attend a try out. And if you pay that money they will find a team for you.
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More and more, I'm getting the feeling Pike and Co. are more than happy Warren decomitted.
It's not just team sports.
Gymnastics is crazy as well.
My daughter is 6yo (going into 1st grade).
Some of her friends are pretty good at gymnastics.
They are on the "pre-squad" next year and will even have competitions this upcoming year.
They have 9 hours of practice/training per week starting in August.
At 6 years old.
That's more than I had basketball practice in HS I think.
Our daughter recently tried out for a lower program at the gymnastics gym - but they didn't say what the time commitment was other than it's a full year expectation (not like her normal classes where she can drop at anytime).
We're waiting to hear if she made the team or not.
We are lucky in that both our kids are well advanced for their grade levels so significant sports time commitments shouldn't be a problem yet.
Gymnastics is crazy as well.
My daughter is 6yo (going into 1st grade).
Some of her friends are pretty good at gymnastics.
They are on the "pre-squad" next year and will even have competitions this upcoming year.
They have 9 hours of practice/training per week starting in August.
At 6 years old.
That's more than I had basketball practice in HS I think.
Our daughter recently tried out for a lower program at the gymnastics gym - but they didn't say what the time commitment was other than it's a full year expectation (not like her normal classes where she can drop at anytime).
We're waiting to hear if she made the team or not.
We are lucky in that both our kids are well advanced for their grade levels so significant sports time commitments shouldn't be a problem yet.
Andrew Slater is not some random twitter guy. He tweeted that - he spoke to Warren or someone close to him. Maybe there was some miscommunication or maybe Warren changed his mind again?
Slater is a reliable source.
Yep the way of the world. Do you think you need to play club to make the hs team .
Is that to get noticed by the hs coaches or is it just to get better ?
Gymnastics is bad but at least there is a true competition with definitive point structure. Cheer and dance is batshit crazy. No first second or third place. Everything is some mysterious precious metal or stone ribbon. When you think gold is the highest, they invent platinum, double platinum diamond sapphire. And these studios are Disney like in their ability to separate a person from their wallet. Brother and sister in law were into dance and cheer gyms to the tune of $25k per kid per year.
Our daughter is 8, and is a decent athlete. I was pretty good and my wife was an all-American soccer player in college, and we are both very into sports, which has translated into her being into sports as well
One thing we've stressed is for her to enjoy her time out on the field/court, be a good teammate, listen to the coach, help others, communicate, learn, etc.
She's not the best, not the worst. Solid middle of the pack. If she were better or showed a desire to play at a higher level, we'd be having a different conversation re. what she wants.
Right now though, she's content with playing rec soccer in the spring and fall, and rec basketball in the winter.
We're sending her to 2 bball and 1 soccer camp over the summer and trying to keep her occupied with other activities.
We have some friends who's children are in the travel scene; mainly softball. I know this sounds selfish, but after working all day, unless my child was an exceptional athlete or really had the desire to play super competitive ball, I'm more than happy with one 1 hour practice per week and 1 game on Saturday mornings
I have to admit though one of the cooler aspects about having kids into sports are when you watch sports, and they ask questions, or take them to sporting events, and they're really into it Or when they'll tell you random facts about sports.
We're huge Italian soccer fans and last week, she told us that they were playing Spain in the Nations League semi's. I totally forgot it was on, and we all watched it together.
Spain won 2-1 with a goal in the 89th minute; after the game, my daughter was in tears. I put my arm around her and inquired why she was upset, and to my delight, it was "because Italy lost, and we're Italian and I love the team and it hurts when they lose important games."
I explained you can't win every game, that Spain outplayed Italy and deserved to win, and as long as they tried their best, that's all you can ask for.
But proud dad moment, as I also said "welcome to the club, you're not an official Italian soccer fan" and shared the story of my similar dismay when Brazil beat Italy on PK's in the 1994 WC final
Long story short, sports are such a great way to bond with children. So many life lessons are taught by playing, coaching, watching, etc.
One thing we've stressed is for her to enjoy her time out on the field/court, be a good teammate, listen to the coach, help others, communicate, learn, etc.
She's not the best, not the worst. Solid middle of the pack. If she were better or showed a desire to play at a higher level, we'd be having a different conversation re. what she wants.
Right now though, she's content with playing rec soccer in the spring and fall, and rec basketball in the winter.
We're sending her to 2 bball and 1 soccer camp over the summer and trying to keep her occupied with other activities.
We have some friends who's children are in the travel scene; mainly softball. I know this sounds selfish, but after working all day, unless my child was an exceptional athlete or really had the desire to play super competitive ball, I'm more than happy with one 1 hour practice per week and 1 game on Saturday mornings
I have to admit though one of the cooler aspects about having kids into sports are when you watch sports, and they ask questions, or take them to sporting events, and they're really into it Or when they'll tell you random facts about sports.
We're huge Italian soccer fans and last week, she told us that they were playing Spain in the Nations League semi's. I totally forgot it was on, and we all watched it together.
Spain won 2-1 with a goal in the 89th minute; after the game, my daughter was in tears. I put my arm around her and inquired why she was upset, and to my delight, it was "because Italy lost, and we're Italian and I love the team and it hurts when they lose important games."
I explained you can't win every game, that Spain outplayed Italy and deserved to win, and as long as they tried their best, that's all you can ask for.
But proud dad moment, as I also said "welcome to the club, you're not an official Italian soccer fan" and shared the story of my similar dismay when Brazil beat Italy on PK's in the 1994 WC final
Long story short, sports are such a great way to bond with children. So many life lessons are taught by playing, coaching, watching, etc.
Locally in Rutgers area, Rover's International Soccer is awesome. Fun. And a NJ youth soccer hall of fame soccer coach who also was nominated by red bulls for an mls community service award.
My 6 year old loves it.
Facebook.com/roversSoccer/
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