SHU's Angel Delgado not expected to return to college
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That's a big loss. Delgado is a difference maker at the college level.
corey leaving us would be easier to replace than delgado for shu...thats how thin shu is when it comes to big men
This is not a huge loss for them....he is a solid college player, gobbles up a lot of rebounds, but is not a game changing recruit that is irreplaceable, like an Isaiah Whitehead....they obviously need a big that can play some meaningful minutes inside and grab a few rebounds, but there is no true size in the Big East that is anything close to the Big Ten, night in and night out.....they can replace Delgado with a safe/solid grad that just needs to play defense and rebound and kick the ball out to their shooters.
It just changes how they have to play and Delgado was an OK post player, but not to be confused with Haas or Swanigan of Purdue, Thomas Bryant at Indiana or the monsters at Michigan State in Nick Ward and Miles Bridges....Ethan Happ is a closer comparison to Delgado and I think Happ is a better player by a lot on the offensive end....RU saw players most nights in the B1G, just as good if not much better than Delgado, that were more difficult matchups
RU will have their work cut out for them vs SHU at the RAC....they have seniors that can score, shoot and are experienced....
It just changes how they have to play and Delgado was an OK post player, but not to be confused with Haas or Swanigan of Purdue, Thomas Bryant at Indiana or the monsters at Michigan State in Nick Ward and Miles Bridges....Ethan Happ is a closer comparison to Delgado and I think Happ is a better player by a lot on the offensive end....RU saw players most nights in the B1G, just as good if not much better than Delgado, that were more difficult matchups
RU will have their work cut out for them vs SHU at the RAC....they have seniors that can score, shoot and are experienced....
His rebounds will be hard to replace. He was relentless. We might have an outside chance at the RAC.
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Didn't he lead the nation in rebounds? For a team with basically one 4 and one 5 now, it's a killer. The shu fans I know are almost ready to off themselves at this news.
Fans are overly emotional/irrational....I'm not recommending that they do nothing and go into the season without a replacement, but they don't need an All American to replace what Delgado did....others will have to contribute, step up and they need to find a big on the grad transfer market to soften the blow.
Leading the country in rebounds is an accomplishment, but from a pure basketball and skill-set, he is replaceable as a big man...
Delgado is/was a very good college player. I think he is every bit as good as Haas and Ward as a college player. Rather have him than Bryant as a college player. In fact I think an NBA team could do worse than taking a shot on him. But this draft is deeeeeep, which definitely hurts his chances. Good luck to him. Tough break for SHU.
stay classy shoe...
https://setonhall.forums.rivals.com/threads/someone-says-delgago-is-gone.28946/
great way for fans to appreciate all that Delgado did in taking a chance to go there and how he played and represented...we don't know his personal situation, and he may be thinking that his stock won't get any higher, go somewhere where he can make good money playing...why risk injury in college...more reason why would recruits waste their college years going there...
https://setonhall.forums.rivals.com/threads/someone-says-delgago-is-gone.28946/
great way for fans to appreciate all that Delgado did in taking a chance to go there and how he played and represented...we don't know his personal situation, and he may be thinking that his stock won't get any higher, go somewhere where he can make good money playing...why risk injury in college...more reason why would recruits waste their college years going there...
Not sure how anyone can argue that Delgado isn't a huge loss for The Hall. Real good big man, fully mature was going into his senior season.
This board would have a heart attack if he played for us and declared.
This board would have a heart attack if he played for us and declared.
15ppg/13rpg /54% FG/ 1st team All Big East.
Angel was a very good college basketball player.
Angel was a very good college basketball player.
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?!?!? It is an enourmous loss. Huge. He can't be replaced. Especially at this time. Details their entire season. That great class will now go down with zero NCAA wins. Crazy. Goes to show how difficult it is to make the jump up. It's way more than a few players. You need to recruit consistently in the top 150 year in and year out.
He's a very good college player...but not dominant, otherwise he would be on draft boards. ..he shoots around 50% from the FT line.
Does it make their team better..?? Obviously not, but a normal big that can grab rebounds offsets the bulk of what he brings to the table. ..people acting as if they SHU is going off a cliff next year are exaggerating a lot...if they don't grab a grad transfer big, then we can see. ..but they have scorers and they don't need size in the BE...
Does it make their team better..?? Obviously not, but a normal big that can grab rebounds offsets the bulk of what he brings to the table. ..people acting as if they SHU is going off a cliff next year are exaggerating a lot...if they don't grab a grad transfer big, then we can see. ..but they have scorers and they don't need size in the BE...
Very true but at times he would get a rebound miss and get another and score. Replacing 13 rebounds a game will not be easy. They do however have several very good scorers in Carrington, Rodriguez and Powell. Their out and running game might be slightly affected. Some guys might not get as many open looks as Delgado was often double teamed.
SHU is a solid program, but the thoughts that they would be making some major NCAA run was a little bit of a stretch....they didn't get past Arkansas, which many fans kept saying didn't belong in the NCAA's because they were in the SEC. What makes anyone think the same player was going to make this huge leap that changes 3-4 games from one year to the next??
Delgado is a first team BE center.....stats look good, but who is he playing against in the BE with any size?? Who is Villanova's Center....(I can remember Ochefu from 2 years ago, but not this past year?? What player does Creighton have that is in the low post....???Providence, Georgetown, St. Johns...????....DePaul has no size of note.....Butler has no post player of note either....Delgado dominated a league without a bunch of size in the conference. That's not to take away from the stats, but he is not all-world either.
Would Delgado be a first team all Big Ten Center.....2nd team??....let's not list the bigs in the conference that are as good, if not better and would have the same stat line or better in the BE. He's a good college player, that's it....he'll hustle and make a lot of money overseas if he's healthy, but he can help an NBA team on hustle/rebounding/setting screens down the road. He just doesn't have leaping ability, footspeed or the skills that I see that say dominant or irreplaceable.
SHU doesn't have any other size other than a freshman that will potentially play and a JUCO that they just signed a week ago....neither is going to replace Delgado's production, but their 6'10 Euro, potential shooter from Monteverde Academy, isn't known as a rebounder/shot blocker, but he will probably be a better fit offensively and allow them to spread the floor, unclog the paint and shoot more 3's, which is the Creighton/Butler model and similar to Villanova. Those are the three schools that lead the BE, because they run to the 3 point line and launch....
You could have a 2 time first team All BE Center with potentially the same stat line of 15 to 16PPG and 13-14RPG next year still not land on any draft boards next year, but he's suddenly this irreplaceable piece....?? As if no one else can crash the boards and grab a rebound??
Are we saying they go from 21-10 to 17-14 because Delgado is leaving....?? or was this an assumption that they were going from 21-10 to 25-6 with him coming back...???.I certainly didn't see them making this jump 21-10 to 3 to 4 games better, but I don't see them falling off a cliff either, it's a marginal loss, because they will make up the scoring and teams in the BE, will not exploit the lack of size with him out of the lineup......They will still finish around .500 in the BE or better and as long as they don't go 8-5 in OOC, they will still make the dance....and if they run into a team with similar athletes with some mobility in the paint like Arkansas presented, they will be in a nailbiter in the NCAA first round again.....
Delgado is a first team BE center.....stats look good, but who is he playing against in the BE with any size?? Who is Villanova's Center....(I can remember Ochefu from 2 years ago, but not this past year?? What player does Creighton have that is in the low post....???Providence, Georgetown, St. Johns...????....DePaul has no size of note.....Butler has no post player of note either....Delgado dominated a league without a bunch of size in the conference. That's not to take away from the stats, but he is not all-world either.
Would Delgado be a first team all Big Ten Center.....2nd team??....let's not list the bigs in the conference that are as good, if not better and would have the same stat line or better in the BE. He's a good college player, that's it....he'll hustle and make a lot of money overseas if he's healthy, but he can help an NBA team on hustle/rebounding/setting screens down the road. He just doesn't have leaping ability, footspeed or the skills that I see that say dominant or irreplaceable.
SHU doesn't have any other size other than a freshman that will potentially play and a JUCO that they just signed a week ago....neither is going to replace Delgado's production, but their 6'10 Euro, potential shooter from Monteverde Academy, isn't known as a rebounder/shot blocker, but he will probably be a better fit offensively and allow them to spread the floor, unclog the paint and shoot more 3's, which is the Creighton/Butler model and similar to Villanova. Those are the three schools that lead the BE, because they run to the 3 point line and launch....
You could have a 2 time first team All BE Center with potentially the same stat line of 15 to 16PPG and 13-14RPG next year still not land on any draft boards next year, but he's suddenly this irreplaceable piece....?? As if no one else can crash the boards and grab a rebound??
Are we saying they go from 21-10 to 17-14 because Delgado is leaving....?? or was this an assumption that they were going from 21-10 to 25-6 with him coming back...???.I certainly didn't see them making this jump 21-10 to 3 to 4 games better, but I don't see them falling off a cliff either, it's a marginal loss, because they will make up the scoring and teams in the BE, will not exploit the lack of size with him out of the lineup......They will still finish around .500 in the BE or better and as long as they don't go 8-5 in OOC, they will still make the dance....and if they run into a team with similar athletes with some mobility in the paint like Arkansas presented, they will be in a nailbiter in the NCAA first round again.....
Let's not kid ourselves that losing Angel Delgado isn't a big deal. However, to Hawk's point, that does not mean that there is a direct correlation to how SHU will perform next year. Angel is a big loss, but it means that Seton Hall will not be able to win how they did last year; slowing the game down and winning in half court sets.
This is where Willard will need to prove himself as a coach, and his ability to adjust his playing style to his team. If SHU switches to more of a run-and-gun with those veteran guards and scorers, I would still expect them to be right on that tournament bubble, and at the top of the Big East.
In short, don't minimize the loss for SHU - it's big. It brings uncertainty. However, if Willard can adjust his playing style, they will still be a highly competitive program this year.
This is where Willard will need to prove himself as a coach, and his ability to adjust his playing style to his team. If SHU switches to more of a run-and-gun with those veteran guards and scorers, I would still expect them to be right on that tournament bubble, and at the top of the Big East.
In short, don't minimize the loss for SHU - it's big. It brings uncertainty. However, if Willard can adjust his playing style, they will still be a highly competitive program this year.
In my opinion this idea diminishes the BET title they won two years ago (beating eventual Nat'l Champ Villanova in the title game). A BET title and back to back NCAA appearances (even two one and done's) is a VERY good two year stretch. And I do believe with Delgado '17-'18 was another SHU team with "2nd weekend in the tournament" type potential.
Just my $0.02
Doesn't diminish anything regarding what they won, I am of the opinion it's a league that doesn't require as much size or strength in the paint as other leagues do and it changes how good they appear to be, when the bulk of your schedule also doesn't involve playing teams with size/strength, night in and night out. That does not limit this as a anti-SHU item, it's Providence losing to what many thought was a USC team that many thought didn't deserve to make it, etc...And no, I don't believe Villanova winning a national championship a year or so ago, erases that for the BE as a league.
If you are 2-2 in the NCAA's the last 2 years, then you can start the argument that the Big East is on an ACC or B1G level in depth and level of competition most nights (I certainly don't believe that to be the case, which is my 30+ game a season argument or 20 conference game overview that you are tested much more often in the B1G vs the Big East)....
But when you are 0-2 in NCAA's with not impossible matchups, I don't know you can make the jump that the league prepares you to matchup, when you run into comparable teams with similar athletes that have size in the paint. And Delgado is a good college player, but was not changing his draft status or increasing his stock, by playing in a league that doesn't test him night in and night out.
If you recall Delgado's post game RU comments after the game this year, his comment was how RU "beat him up", because of how physical Diallo and Gettys were in playing him inside. Yes, that was the best way to defend and attempt to wear him down, but Delgado playing 19-20 games against the size of the B1G, would be a good player, but not viewed as this all conference player.....I don't think SHU sees the dropoff in the BE, which will not impact their win-loss record as much.
Does this help the matchup vs RU at the RAC remains to be seen on what RU's roster looks like and whether it makes it easier. RU's roster would need to be finalized by the end of the summer to figure out what is there and whether it becomes a game that RU can steal at home.
Let me call my friend who is a coach at Seton Hall and ask him if losing Delgado isn't a big loss. I'm pretty sure I know what the answer will be.
they can replace a lot of what Delgado does with a normal big that can rebound....beyond that is marginal difference to their production or stats
if Willard was a good coach, then I agree with Hawk, they could overcome and playing in the duck and chuck 3pt mid-major like league that is the Big East, they can do that. That said, Willard has never impressed me as a coach, so I expect some drop-off.
Xavier and Butler made the Sweet 16 in 2017 and while I understand your comment, Villanova did win a title in '16. If you look a bit deeper at the Big East in the NCAA's the past two years you have PC going 1-2, Butler going 3-2, Xavier going 4-2 and Nova going 7-1. Plus Marquette (0-1), Creighton (0-1) and SHU (0-2).
I agree the Big East isn't as "rugged" or quite frankly as good a league as the B1G or ACC. Not sure I am breaking any ground there. Might be a tick below the Pac-12 as well. But, contrary to what I thought would happen four years ago, it is a league right there with the Big 12 or SEC in my opinion.
Hawk
Usually I agree with you ...not this one
It's not always the actual numbers produced but how you produce them and he produced them the right way and made seton hall win in the process. He brought a lot of intangibles in the left column check mark to a place that had "a lot more me and way to little we"
Kinda feels like what we will be in for in 18-19 after Freeman and Williams graduates. It's not gojng to be the points and rebounds but what else they did along the way.
Usually I agree with you ...not this one
It's not always the actual numbers produced but how you produce them and he produced them the right way and made seton hall win in the process. He brought a lot of intangibles in the left column check mark to a place that had "a lot more me and way to little we"
Kinda feels like what we will be in for in 18-19 after Freeman and Williams graduates. It's not gojng to be the points and rebounds but what else they did along the way.
Big fan of Hawk. Not in agreement here.
This is a huge loss regardless of how he projects on the next level.
This is a huge loss regardless of how he projects on the next level.
Same boat. Think the kid took them to the next level. They are week in the paint now. Not a NCAA team this year barring a nice grad C.
I would be more than glad for RU to add another OOC win vs SHU this year, I just have my doubts based on how basketball is trending, that Delgado is impacting their win-loss column that much or that they can't offset that rebounding with another player....I've seen too many false obituaries written in a lot of sports and for teams over the years, that have been dead wrong or overhyped because of a player departure/injury and in most instances, the amount of impact is much smaller than anticipated. Other players can rally and make up the difference and there are more shot attempts to be spread around to other players vs Delgado.
I think many people have severely overrated how good they actually are or could be and are now viewing them as some sort of huge setback. They have added scoring that will be 3 point capable and you remove a person that would take away shot attempts from those potential shooters.....Fans are looking at the SHU team from last year, they've added two likely scoring threats that are capable from 3.
That's 12-13 shot attempts going elsewhere in the lineup that Delgado took away....those shots don't all become misses or disappear because the player isn't there...maybe he grabbed an extra possession with offensive rebounds on the glass, which can be important........but someone else is going to take those shots and if they take 8 to 9 more 3's per game and hit 3 of them, you are not talking about a drastic difference in scoring.
They will be hurt on the glass against a stronger front lines, but we'll see if BE teams can exploit that or not....I don't see teams in the Big East with inside scoring threats on every roster, so the impact to their win-loss record, is very small IMO....
I know people on here and obviously on SHU want to overblow the impact or loss, but if they didn't add two scoring threats on top of Rodriguez, Carrington and Powell, then yeah, it would be a larger hit....I don't see the massive dropoff, it just opens up more shot attempts for others....any reasonable rebounding big man that doesn't need to be 6'10", offsets that departure on the glass.
Leading the nation in rebounds means he was pretty dominant. He just can't jump. That's why he isn't getting drafted.
