Stick a fork in baseball
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I need to turn off my btn2go notifications. RU (insert team) game has started...followed by RU loses.......repeat after repeat after repeat. Never seen the sports program so terrible across the board. We stink..period.
No it doesn't. We need 2 more wins. We are 24-22 with 5 games left. We must beat Monmouth and one of the 4 BIG games (today with Md. & 3 vs Minnesota). If we did that we would finish 26-25. If we only beat Monmouth and lose the other 4 we will finish 25-26. There is no guarantee we will even defeat Monmouth as we only beat them 7-6 the first time we played them. Minnesota is highly ranked and was tied for first in the BIG before this weekend. I have not checked how they did the last two days. I feel we really must defeat Maryland today. We were ahead of them before this weekend. There is no excuse for losing 17-2. That is embarrassing.
It’s very likely that we go out losing 11 of 12 in conference play. NOT GOOD. If this happens and IF Joe’s CONTRACT IS UP then I’m all for making a move.
There's a few heads on the chopping block if contracts expire after the season. I could see the Women's T&F coach getting the axe as well (they're dead last in B1G Championship right now).
Men's did solid, just a hair short of Wisconsin for 9th...a B1G Champ and 2 B1G runner ups. Women's did nothing as usual.
Baseball is now only 24-23. We now must beat Monmouth and win at least one vs. Minnesota for a winning season. We have completely fallen apart.
I'm pretty sure it is. Can anyone confirm? Unless they win 2 more, the only time he'll have a record over .500 is his first season with Moose's team. Time for a change.
He needs to go. Guy has a horrendous in-state rep with recruits and his record showed it
I'm not disagreeing based on baseball things. I don't expect him to be asked back and I don't think they brought Cundari in to be just a pitching coach. The writing has been on the wall all season.
All I am saying is I like him as a man.
The whole recruiting and roster building paradigm — “recruit locally” — needs overhaul. You can’t win championships that way. We have decades and generations of evidence that it does not work. Look at the rosters and staffs of other Big Ten teams. None of them limit themselves the way we do.
Ironic that the one sport where we recruit locally is the one where it helps us the least.
See, now I have to disagree with you guys. Our baseball team has been down, but historically it is our most successful program.
Do you suggest we go into the southern states and try to pillage warm weather states? It is never going to happen.
The recruiting strategy HAS to start with NJ. The top kids will rarely stay north, but where RU has to succeed annually is bringing in the second tier. RU also needs to improve in Eastern PA and Southern NY.
We aren't going to beat out the Virginia's or the Miami's or the North Carolina's when they come calling. But we have to consistently beat out the Philly-area schools and Maryland for that next tier of South Jersey Jersey talent, and the St. Johns and Binghampton's for the North Jersey kids.
Do you suggest we go into the southern states and try to pillage warm weather states? It is never going to happen.
The recruiting strategy HAS to start with NJ. The top kids will rarely stay north, but where RU has to succeed annually is bringing in the second tier. RU also needs to improve in Eastern PA and Southern NY.
We aren't going to beat out the Virginia's or the Miami's or the North Carolina's when they come calling. But we have to consistently beat out the Philly-area schools and Maryland for that next tier of South Jersey Jersey talent, and the St. Johns and Binghampton's for the North Jersey kids.
The key is RU has to recruit JUCOs to be successful. Third and fourth tier NJ recruits aren't gonna result in any success outside of maybe lightning in a bottle for a year.
JUCO's? Like Brookdale??? I mean, they may produce a decent kid every now and again, but with all the showcases and summer teams, college prospects are barely missed nowadays. High school is the only route to go.
You have to land one top NJ kid a year and then dominate the second tier kids and develop them. I think last years class did that with Rutkowski. This year's class may if Serrutto doesn't go pro (unlikely).
We are #166 in today’s NCAA Div-1 RPI ratings. Our standing is embarrassing when you see some of the programs above us. Please check the rosters of the other Big Ten programs and other programs who you think should be our peers. Almost without exception those programs do not restrict themselves to recruiting within a two-hour drive of the school. Their rosters are geographically diverse. You have to land pitching talent and you need to build a solid lineup. And your staff needs to have some stature, and outside and off-season connections/activities beyond the NJ community. When’s the last time we had a player on a Cape Cod League roster and/or a staff member coaching there? I can not remember one - I’d love to be dead wrong on this one.
NCAA Div-1 RPI ratings:
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d1/rpi
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JUCO baseball programs flourish in many other parts of the country. And there are different levels of JUCO competition. JUCO players arrive as a proven commodity and generally a maturer athlete.
Pretty sure O'Reilly played in the Cod last summer. Herrmann pitched there as well.
I wholeheartedly agree with you about the role of our baseball staff during summer league season. I believe it was the same case under Moose and never changed. We will see if that changes going forward. I think when you send kids to leagues throughout the country (especially your pitchers), they need to be with people you trust.
RPI isn't the end all be all. But I digress that we lose too many mid-week games. And that is a recruiting and developing problem. No one here will convince me that the BIG is even close to as good as the Big East was.
I don't see how anyone would be excited about finishing above .500 and 21 spots below NJIT in the RPI , 80 spots behind Seton Hall and 130 spots behind St. Johns.. Looks like a 11th/12th place finish in a 13 team league..Big 10 Baseball is nowhere near B1G Football, Volleyball, Wrestling and almost every other sport in quality..Season is a Knightmare!
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Yea this season was a failure yet again. Litterio needs to be canned. I also wouldn't take a .500 record as any bit of success, the schedule was much softer than last years
A few thoughts here:
- men’s soccer has been to 7 NCAA’s, 3 Final 4’s, and 1 tiite game....much MORE successful than baseball....IMHO (and my dad had known Moose and gone to games since I was in soakers practically...). Suffice to say women’s basketball has been more successful than baseball as well, so, I don’t know where this “baseball is historically our most successful program” line is coming from..
- Twister LOVES the “JUCI” twist but fails to take something VERT IMPORTANT into account:
JUCO’s are NOT prevelant in this part of the country, CC’s are, look at the top 25 linked below almost all from the south, southwest, or west coast until you get to #25 in Maryland!!! I’m h yeah there are a couple in the Great Plains too. Yes, Mercer County has had great programs from time to time, trust me I know I grew up there, but otherwise you got to go out of state to bring JUCO’s in and that’s not gonna happen at Rutgers as easily as you seem to think it’s going to happen. I don’t know who you think we are that suddenly we’re going to start bringing JUCO’s in from California, Florida, Texas, Arizona, and places like that where these kids are actually good, really good ballplayers, And have tons of other choices ahead of us.
- I wouldn’t mind diversifying our recruiting a little, don’t get me wrong, but we need to start beating Seton Hall, Monmourh, St. Johns, and programs like that, for kids that will take this program up a notch or two, before we start getting the national kid to come in here which is not going to be very easy. Period.
- men’s soccer has been to 7 NCAA’s, 3 Final 4’s, and 1 tiite game....much MORE successful than baseball....IMHO (and my dad had known Moose and gone to games since I was in soakers practically...). Suffice to say women’s basketball has been more successful than baseball as well, so, I don’t know where this “baseball is historically our most successful program” line is coming from..
- Twister LOVES the “JUCI” twist but fails to take something VERT IMPORTANT into account:
JUCO’s are NOT prevelant in this part of the country, CC’s are, look at the top 25 linked below almost all from the south, southwest, or west coast until you get to #25 in Maryland!!! I’m h yeah there are a couple in the Great Plains too. Yes, Mercer County has had great programs from time to time, trust me I know I grew up there, but otherwise you got to go out of state to bring JUCO’s in and that’s not gonna happen at Rutgers as easily as you seem to think it’s going to happen. I don’t know who you think we are that suddenly we’re going to start bringing JUCO’s in from California, Florida, Texas, Arizona, and places like that where these kids are actually good, really good ballplayers, And have tons of other choices ahead of us.
- I wouldn’t mind diversifying our recruiting a little, don’t get me wrong, but we need to start beating Seton Hall, Monmourh, St. Johns, and programs like that, for kids that will take this program up a notch or two, before we start getting the national kid to come in here which is not going to be very easy. Period.
Baseball was in the 1950 CWS for what it's worth.
Since 1981, I see 13 regular season 1st place finishes in their division, 9 tournament championships, 4 conference players of the year, 11 trips to the NCAAs, and a 1,000 win coach.
I can see the soccer and women's basketball arguments, but I think we forget where this program was at since the last decade has had us without a trip to the NCAAs. Doesn't really matter to me, I'd like all our teams to compete nationally.
Again, I love baseball, I know Moose personally, but to say baseball has had a greater history, OTB, than men's soccer or women's hoops I just can't agree with (I GUESS it's #3???):
Men's Soccer - 17 trips to the NCAA's, 3 trips to the Final 3, 1 trip to the National Title Game, 1 Hermann Award Winner (National POTY), 6 Consensus AA's and 5 Conference Tourney Champs
Women's Hoops - I'm not even gonna bother. Best sport in our school's history. Period. The accomplishments are too endless to list.
You are correct about O’Reilly. Many of the Big Ten programs land multiple players on Cape Cod rosters. Rutgers needs to do a better job of landing roster spots for their players on Cape Cod teams.
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