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I watched some of their game against the East Carolina Mike Houstons the other day and there is an example of a team that showed improvement during the course of the season. They lost 4 out of their last 5 but three of them were one score games.
Young Warner is leaps and bounds ahead of Gavin right now. They were actually fun to watch. Drayton has done a nice job there. If we played them today, I think we lose.
 
I watched some of their game against the East Carolina Mike Houstons the other day and there is an example of a team that showed improvement during the course of the season. They lost 4 out of their last 5 but three of them were one score games.
Young Warner is leaps and bounds ahead of Gavin right now. They were actually fun to watch. Drayton has done a nice job there. If we played them today, I think we lose.
Of course he is leaps and bounds ahead. Experience matters. He started and played in 12 full games. 443 passing attempts.

Gavin started 4 games. 145 passing attempts, that is 1/3 as many as EJ Warner.

If you compare Warner's first six games (excluding cupcake Lafayette):

Rutgers 19/32 215 yards 59.4% 1 TD/1 INT
UMass 11/22 173 yards 50% 2 TD/2 INT
Memphis 18/37 245 yards 48.6% 0 TD/3 INT
UCF 24/43 234 yards 44.8% 1 TD/0 INT
TLSA 23/48 196 yards, 47.9% 1 TD/1 INT
NAVY 24/48 245 yards, 50% 1 TD and 2 INTs-

TOTALS:
119/230 51.7%, 6 TD/9 INT

With Gavin's:
65/145, 44.8% 5 TD/7 INT

EJ Warner really turned the corner in his last 4 games with completion percentages in a range of 70-75% and 10 TDs and 2 INTs. In one of his last 4 games, he had a real stinker against Cincinnati, one of the toughest in the American, and earlier in the year, against Memphis. So how would EJ Warner fare against Minnesota, Michigan State, Penn State and Maryland? Not as well as against the competition he faced in the American.

The conclusion that could be drawn is that perhaps if Gavin did not get hurt and started in all 12 games, he MAY have performed better in his last 4 games, however, he was running for his life against Penn State and Maryland, because our OL past protection could not contain the pass rush in those games.

I don't really care about if the game was replayed what would happen. If EJ Warner and Gavin are both at their current schools next year (and that is a big IF), we shall see. But for Temple, their #1 receiver Barbon is a senior, and so is their #3 receiver. It also looks like they will lose 2 or 3 OL.
 
yup they're great ?--we want to be just like them?--let's trade places?--go back to AAC--hey they are so better off than us?--where does BS come from. Try rooting for Schiano and RU for a change .
Look at my history. I'm a big believer in RU football and I still think that Greg is the right guy for the job, even though I'd be lying if I didn't say that I have my concerns.
Did I say anything about wanting to be back in the AAC? I'm happy that were in the B1G 10 and I wouldn't trade places with any of our former Big East brethren.
My post was an observation that Temple is an example of a team that improved during the course of the season. I don't think that we did.
 
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Look at my history. I'm a big believer in RU football and I still think that Greg is the right guy for the job, even though I'd be lying if I said that I didn't say that I have my concerns.
Did I say anything about wanting to be back in the AAC? I'm happy that were in the B1G 10 and I wouldn't trade places with any of our former Big East brethren.
My post was an observation that Temple is an example of a team that improved during the course of the season. I don't think that we did.
You are correct that RU did not show any improvement over the last 4-5 games.
 
Of course he is leaps and bounds ahead. Experience matters. He started and played in 12 full games. 443 passing attempts.

Gavin started 4 games. 145 passing attempts, that is 1/3 as many as EJ Warner.

If you compare Warner's first six games (excluding cupcake Lafayette):

Rutgers 19/32 215 yards 59.4% 1 TD/1 INT
UMass 11/22 173 yards 50% 2 TD/2 INT
Memphis 18/37 245 yards 48.6% 0 TD/3 INT
UCF 24/43 234 yards 44.8% 1 TD/0 INT
TLSA 23/48 196 yards, 47.9% 1 TD/1 INT
NAVY 24/48 245 yards, 50% 1 TD and 2 INTs-

TOTALS:
119/230 51.7%, 6 TD/9 INT

With Gavin's:
65/145, 44.8% 5 TD/7 INT

EJ Warner really turned the corner in his last 4 games with completion percentages in a range of 70-75% and 10 TDs and 2 INTs. In one of his last 4 games, he had a real stinker against Cincinnati, one of the toughest in the American, and earlier in the year, against Memphis. So how would EJ Warner fare against Minnesota, Michigan State, Penn State and Maryland? Not as well as against the competition he faced in the American.

The conclusion that could be drawn is that perhaps if Gavin did not get hurt and started in all 12 games, he MAY have performed better in his last 4 games, however, he was running for his life against Penn State and Maryland, because our OL past protection could not contain the pass rush in those games.

I don't really care about if the game was replayed what would happen. If EJ Warner and Gavin are both at their current schools next year (and that is a big IF), we shall see. But for Temple, their #1 receiver Barbon is a senior, and so is their #3 receiver. It also looks like they will lose 2 or 3 OL.
EJ will be at Temple
 
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Of course he is leaps and bounds ahead. Experience matters. He started and played in 12 full games. 443 passing attempts.

Gavin started 4 games. 145 passing attempts, that is 1/3 as many as EJ Warner.

If you compare Warner's first six games (excluding cupcake Lafayette):

Rutgers 19/32 215 yards 59.4% 1 TD/1 INT
UMass 11/22 173 yards 50% 2 TD/2 INT
Memphis 18/37 245 yards 48.6% 0 TD/3 INT
UCF 24/43 234 yards 44.8% 1 TD/0 INT
TLSA 23/48 196 yards, 47.9% 1 TD/1 INT
NAVY 24/48 245 yards, 50% 1 TD and 2 INTs-

TOTALS:
119/230 51.7%, 6 TD/9 INT

With Gavin's:
65/145, 44.8% 5 TD/7 INT

EJ Warner really turned the corner in his last 4 games with completion percentages in a range of 70-75% and 10 TDs and 2 INTs. In one of his last 4 games, he had a real stinker against Cincinnati, one of the toughest in the American, and earlier in the year, against Memphis. So how would EJ Warner fare against Minnesota, Michigan State, Penn State and Maryland? Not as well as against the competition he faced in the American.

The conclusion that could be drawn is that perhaps if Gavin did not get hurt and started in all 12 games, he MAY have performed better in his last 4 games, however, he was running for his life against Penn State and Maryland, because our OL past protection could not contain the pass rush in those games.

I don't really care about if the game was replayed what would happen. If EJ Warner and Gavin are both at their current schools next year (and that is a big IF), we shall see. But for Temple, their #1 receiver Barbon is a senior, and so is their #3 receiver. It also looks like they will lose 2 or 3 OL.
You put in bold that Warner "started and played in 12 games," do you realize his first start was against us? Do you even watch Rutgers football games or just post on this board for the heck of it? For the record, his first action was in the Lafayette game. You also conveniently seem to forget that Warner is a true freshman, his first exposure to college football was in summer camp, while Wimsatt is a redshirt freshman, he has been in the system for 2 years. He has had the benefit of two summer camps, a season (and he did play a bit in 2021) and an off season workout and film routine. Also, if you are going to respond intelligently to the OP, you would know that Temple has struggled to keep its OL healthy to a degree we have not, his receivers are awful and have dropped numerous passes and run the wrong routes countless times, he might have 4,000 yards passing if he had our OL and receivers.

And again, what don't you understand about the fact that Wimsatt has accuracy issues? He has a cannon for an arm he can't control and for two years the staff has been working on it with him in practice day after day and it has yet to improve. Wimsatt has a bright future ahead of him, but it probably will not be at the QB position.

I just wanted to add that I in no way blame Schiano for passing on Warner as a HS recruit, every P5 program passed on the kid. His size probably scared them all away. And also that Schiano was right to recruit Wimsatt as a QB, it just isn’t working for him with his accuracy issues. Temple just lucked out and got themselves a generational type QB. PJ Walker is the Temple QB we screwed up on by only offering him a scholarship as an athlete.
 
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You put in bold that Warner "started and played in 12 games," do you realize his first start was against us? Do you even watch Rutgers football games or just post on this board for the heck of it? For the record, his first action was in the Lafayette game. You also conveniently seem to forget that Warner is a true freshman, his first exposure to college football was in summer camp, while Wimsatt is a redshirt freshman, he has been in the system for 2 years. He has had the benefit of two summer camps, a season (and he did play a bit in 2021) and an off season workout and film routine. Also, if you are going to respond intelligently to the OP, you would know that Temple has struggled to keep its OL healthy to a degree we have not, his receivers are awful and have dropped numerous passes and run the wrong routes countless times, he might have 4,000 yards passing if he had our OL and receivers.

And again, what don't you understand about the fact that Wimsatt has accuracy issues? He has a cannon for an arm he can't control and for two years the staff has been working on it with him in practice day after day and it has yet to improve. Wimsatt has a bright future ahead of him, but it probably will not be at the QB position.

I just wanted to add that I in no way blame Schiano for passing on Warner as a HS recruit, every P5 program passed on the kid. His size probably scared them all away. And also that Schiano was right to recruit Wimsatt as a QB, it just isn’t working for him with his accuracy issues. Temple just lucked out and got themselves a generational type QB. PJ Walker is the Temple QB we screwed up on by only offering him a scholarship as an athlete.
Don’t think Temple luck out, they did their homework and offered the kid. He had something like 63 attempts last game. That is like 3 to 4 games for us, Temple is gonna hot the portal hard. Will be interesting when we play them in September
 
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You put in bold that Warner "started and played in 12 games," do you realize his first start was against us? Do you even watch Rutgers football games or just post on this board for the heck of it? For the record, his first action was in the Lafayette game. You also conveniently seem to forget that Warner is a true freshman, his first exposure to college football was in summer camp, while Wimsatt is a redshirt freshman, he has been in the system for 2 years. He has had the benefit of two summer camps, a season (and he did play a bit in 2021) and an off season workout and film routine. Also, if you are going to respond intelligently to the OP, you would know that Temple has struggled to keep its OL healthy to a degree we have not, his receivers are awful and have dropped numerous passes and run the wrong routes countless times, he might have 4,000 yards passing if he had our OL and receivers.

And again, what don't you understand about the fact that Wimsatt has accuracy issues? He has a cannon for an arm he can't control and for two years the staff has been working on it with him in practice day after day and it has yet to improve. Wimsatt has a bright future ahead of him, but it probably will not be at the QB position.

I just wanted to add that I in no way blame Schiano for passing on Warner as a HS recruit, every P5 program passed on the kid. His size probably scared them all away. And also that Schiano was right to recruit Wimsatt as a QB, it just isn’t working for him with his accuracy issues. Temple just lucked out and got themselves a generational type QB. PJ Walker is the Temple QB we screwed up on by only offering him a scholarship as an athlete.
The in game solution I have seen used with very athletic quarterbacks with throwing accuracy issues is to take advantage of their athleticism while working to incrementally improve their throwing.

The “square peg in a round hole” approach RU used this year of keeping Wimsatt in the pocket as if he doesn’t have accuracy issues was moronic and won’t help him get better.
 
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You put in bold that Warner "started and played in 12 games," do you realize his first start was against us? Do you even watch Rutgers football games or just post on this board for the heck of it? For the record, his first action was in the Lafayette game. You also conveniently seem to forget that Warner is a true freshman, his first exposure to college football was in summer camp, while Wimsatt is a redshirt freshman, he has been in the system for 2 years. He has had the benefit of two summer camps, a season (and he did play a bit in 2021) and an off season workout and film routine. Also, if you are going to respond intelligently to the OP, you would know that Temple has struggled to keep its OL healthy to a degree we have not, his receivers are awful and have dropped numerous passes and run the wrong routes countless times, he might have 4,000 yards passing if he had our OL and receivers.

And again, what don't you understand about the fact that Wimsatt has accuracy issues? He has a cannon for an arm he can't control and for two years the staff has been working on it with him in practice day after day and it has yet to improve. Wimsatt has a bright future ahead of him, but it probably will not be at the QB position.

I just wanted to add that I in no way blame Schiano for passing on Warner as a HS recruit, every P5 program passed on the kid. His size probably scared them all away. And also that Schiano was right to recruit Wimsatt as a QB, it just isn’t working for him with his accuracy issues. Temple just lucked out and got themselves a generational type QB. PJ Walker is the Temple QB we screwed up on by only offering him a scholarship as an athlete.
As usual, you have reading comprehension issues. You missed: "(excluding cupcake Lafayette)." That was essentially a practice. As far as the rest of your post, practice and game reps (against real competition, not cupcakes like Lafayette or Wagner) are two different things.

You also missed the point about level of competition and how Warner had bad games against tougher competition--Cincinnati with 0 TDs and 2 INTs . Navy (deep into his season) 50% completion % with 1 TD and 2 INT (4 Sacks and 7 QB Hurries)? Newsflash- when a QB is under pressure. His final game against ECU (0 sacks and 0 QB hurries). Against Penn State, Gavin was sacked 4 times and had 3 QB hurries. Sacks and QB hurries don't tell the whole story. Again, you think that practice reps are somehow equal to game reps, and that Temple's level of competition is equal to Rutgers' level of competition. Some of you have used that same argument to mock and denigrate Cole Snyder at Buffalo.

RUforLife? That's funny.
 
The in game solution I have seen used with very athletic quarterbacks with throwing accuracy issues is to take advantage of their athleticism while working to incrementally improve their throwing.

The “square peg in a round hole” approach RU used this year of keeping Wimsatt in the pocket as if he doesn’t have accuracy issues was moronic and won’t help him get better.

I don't know that a bad ankle for at least 6 games and possibly last 8 make is a "square peg in a round hole"
 
As usual, you have reading comprehension issues. You missed: "(excluding cupcake Lafayette)." That was essentially a practice. As far as the rest of your post, practice and game reps (against real competition, not cupcakes like Lafayette or Wagner) are two different things.

You also missed the point about level of competition and how Warner had bad games against tougher competition--Cincinnati with 0 TDs and 2 INTs . Navy (deep into his season) 50% completion % with 1 TD and 2 INT (4 Sacks and 7 QB Hurries)? Newsflash- when a QB is under pressure. His final game against ECU (0 sacks and 0 QB hurries). Against Penn State, Gavin was sacked 4 times and had 3 QB hurries. Sacks and QB hurries don't tell the whole story. Again, you think that practice reps are somehow equal to game reps, and that Temple's level of competition is equal to Rutgers' level of competition. Some of you have used that same argument to mock and denigrate Cole Snyder at Buffalo.

RUforLife? That's funny.
No, sorry, 65k posts and are any of the stats quoted in them accurate? My god man, please stop. You don't have any clue what you are talking about, have you ever played organized football, been to a practice, played in a game? I mean, c'mon, grow up!!

Maybe I should explain further since you seem to be pretty naive about football. It is not a game in which, especially at the skilled positions, you suddenly turn it on in a game and do things you don't do in practice. If you are not hitting your receivers in practice, you are not all of sudden in games situations finding your accuracy. Same with receivers, if you are not running clean routes in practice, you don't all of sudden start running clean routes in game situations. If anything, as a player you are going to be more accurate in practice than on the field during games. Anyway, why do I bother, you're hopeless, the only thing you can do is attack other posters who don't agree with your nonsense. UGH!

Oh, and one more thing, let's test your football knowledge since this is a post basically about EJ Warner, therefore, if you are going to post in it you should probably know something about Mr. Warner. What is his big weakness, other than his height? Most know, except maybe for you, what Wimsatt's main issue appears to be, Warner's weakness is pretty obvious, and has been discussed multiple times even on this board, so you should know it. I even gave you a clue in this paragraph. How are the two different, is one more correctable than the other?
 
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yup they're great ?--we want to be just like them?--let's trade places?--go back to AAC--hey they are so better off than us?--where does BS come from. Try rooting for Schiano and RU for a change .

Obviously going back to the AAC is dumb but........the AAC basically getting an AQ into the 12 team playoff is pretty appealing.
AAC is losing Cincinnati, UCF and Houston to the Big 12.

So in 2024, Temple, Tulane, East Carolina and Memphis will be battling for an actual playoff spot?
That's beyond ridiculous.
 
Obviously going back to the AAC is dumb but........the AAC basically getting an AQ into the 12 team playoff is pretty appealing.
AAC is losing Cincinnati, UCF and Houston to the Big 12.

So in 2024, Temple, Tulane, East Carolina and Memphis will be battling for an actual playoff spot?
That's beyond ridiculous.
There are other G5 conferences. MWC and Sun Belt are strong competitors as well. IIRC, Coastal, Boise and WMU (MAC) would have made it in a 12 team playoff in the past.
 
yup they're great ?--we want to be just like them?--let's trade places?--go back to AAC--hey they are so better off than us?--where does BS come from. Try rooting for Schiano and RU for a change .
No one here is rooting against rutgers and schiano.
 
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Our Defense is pretty good and shut Temple down. The defenses we faced are better than ours except for Indiana and MSU and our Offense looked better in those games. Temple plays weak defenses for the most part and some average defenses plus ours.

I know Colbert is one of our positive fans but can’t agree with this one other than it’s always nice to show a little offense and we have not outside of the early games, Indiana and MSU. Based on who we play it’s a concern for all of us.
 
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I don't know that a bad ankle for at least 6 games and possibly last 8 make is a "square peg in a round hole"
If he was physically injured enough to keep him from doing what he is naturally good at, it was moronic to put him out there. It doesn’t help his development to make him do things he struggles at without his strengths to fall back on when needed.

Having a QB who is good at running but erratic at throwing sit in the pocket and never run, like a less mobile but accurate QB, is a textbook example of putting a square peg in a round hole.
 
Coaching has a lot to do with player development. Who on the offensive staff is qualified as a P5-level coach? I don't care if you have Joe Montana as the QB, with a good coach to teach the Do's and DON'Ts, it doesn't matter the skill level of the player.

All of you continue to look at the stats when comparing players, but the fact remains the level of coaching on Rutgers (offense) part holds back the talent of some of the offensive players. Rutgers' defense developed because the DC set the table with expectations and coaching. The coaching quality met the expectation level, and the defense responded. I can't say the same for the offense. The offense looked like the Keystone Kops.
 
If he was physically injured enough to keep him from doing what he is naturally good at, it was moronic to put him out there. It doesn’t help his development to make him do things he struggles at without his strengths to fall back on when needed.

Having a QB who is good at running but erratic at throwing sit in the pocket and never run, like a less mobile but accurate QB, is a textbook example of putting a square peg in a round hole.

The starter was more seriously injured and the #3 wasn't effective. As opposed to "square peg in a round hole" it was sort of "between a rock and a hard place".
 
Coaching has a lot to do with player development. Who on the offensive staff is qualified as a P5-level coach? I don't care if you have Joe Montana as the QB, with a good coach to teach the Do's and DON'Ts, it doesn't matter the skill level of the player.

All of you continue to look at the stats when comparing players, but the fact remains the level of coaching on Rutgers (offense) part holds back the talent of some of the offensive players. Rutgers' defense developed because the DC set the table with expectations and coaching. The coaching quality met the expectation level, and the defense responded. I can't say the same for the offense. The offense looked like the Keystone Kops.
Keystone Kops is very accurate. I watch pre game. I watch the sidelines during the game in between plays. The defensive side of the ball is always coaching, pre game/sidelines etc... The offensive side of the ball outside of Augie did very little coaching. The offensive side of the ball has very young skill players qb/wr/rb's. The coaches should have been in their ear the entire game.
 
yup they're great ?--we want to be just like them?--let's trade places?--go back to AAC--hey they are so better off than us?--where does BS come from. Try rooting for Schiano and RU for a change .
Nothing wrong with complimentary views of opponents. Your misplaced anger resides with RU and GS. Seek help
 
Yep not only are we worse than the teams we lost to, but also than the teams we beat! Give me a break … football is played ON THE FIELD … we’re 3-0 against old Big East teams in the last 2 years Cuse, BC, and Temple and we’ll be 5-0 next year after beating VT and Temple again - as any team in the Power 5 and Big Ten should against teams in lesser conferences
 
Don’t think Temple luck out, they did their homework and offered the kid. He had something like 63 attempts last game. That is like 3 to 4 games for us, Temple is gonna hot the portal hard. Will be interesting when we play them in September
Agree
 
You're wrong there are some; especially against schiano
You're very illogical and way to emotional to think clearly. People want to succeed its just some are better judges of ability across a wider landscape. Greg sucks, there shouldn't be any debate with this. He's an awful coach past 3yrs. Recruiting is down, possible 3 big names are gonna hit portal out and new oc is gonna underwelm expectations. Next yr will 4 wins
 
You're very illogical and way to emotional to think clearly. People want to succeed its just some are better judges of ability across a wider landscape. Greg sucks, there shouldn't be any debate with this. He's an awful coach past 3yrs. Recruiting is down, possible 3 big names are gonna hit portal out and new oc is gonna underwelm expectations. Next yr will 4 wins
How big are these names ?
 
Nothing wrong with complimentary views of opponents. Your misplaced anger resides with RU and GS. Seek help
Not to mention, the post is about IMPROVEMENT over the season, something which we saw little or nothing of with our team. The offense was shut out in the last game by a middle-of-the-road 7 and 5 team with the 52nd ranked defense. Not even a FG in garbage time.
 
You're wrong there are some; especially against schiano
Despite what you think/say I'm not among them. You labeled me that just because I said that one of our opponents, who was terrible, showed a lot of improvement this year while I don't think we did.
 
You put in bold that Warner "started and played in 12 games," do you realize his first start was against us? Do you even watch Rutgers football games or just post on this board for the heck of it? For the record, his first action was in the Lafayette game. You also conveniently seem to forget that Warner is a true freshman, his first exposure to college football was in summer camp, while Wimsatt is a redshirt freshman, he has been in the system for 2 years. He has had the benefit of two summer camps, a season (and he did play a bit in 2021) and an off season workout and film routine. Also, if you are going to respond intelligently to the OP, you would know that Temple has struggled to keep its OL healthy to a degree we have not, his receivers are awful and have dropped numerous passes and run the wrong routes countless times, he might have 4,000 yards passing if he had our OL and receivers.

And again, what don't you understand about the fact that Wimsatt has accuracy issues? He has a cannon for an arm he can't control and for two years the staff has been working on it with him in practice day after day and it has yet to improve. Wimsatt has a bright future ahead of him, but it probably will not be at the QB position.

I just wanted to add that I in no way blame Schiano for passing on Warner as a HS recruit, every P5 program passed on the kid. His size probably scared them all away. And also that Schiano was right to recruit Wimsatt as a QB, it just isn’t working for him with his accuracy issues. Temple just lucked out and got themselves a generational type QB. PJ Walker is the Temple QB we screwed up on by only offering him a scholarship as an athlete.
Warner is a better QB than Wimsatt at this point. And that disparity will probably widen next year. You can’t teach accuracy and Gavin just doesn’t have it. Not the first time Schiano blew it with QB recruiting.
 
Coaching has a lot to do with player development. Who on the offensive staff is qualified as a P5-level coach? I don't care if you have Joe Montana as the QB, with a good coach to teach the Do's and DON'Ts, it doesn't matter the skill level of the player.

All of you continue to look at the stats when comparing players, but the fact remains the level of coaching on Rutgers (offense) part holds back the talent of some of the offensive players. Rutgers' defense developed because the DC set the table with expectations and coaching. The coaching quality met the expectation level, and the defense responded. I can't say the same for the offense. The offense looked like the Keystone Kops.
The Keystone Kpps are looking at our offense and saying “even we weren’t that bad”.
 
You're wrong there are some; especially against schiano
I don’t think it’s a matter of rooting against schiano, more a matter of not blindly following a coach who just led us to a 4-8 season year 3 and lost by a combined 68-0 this year to Minn and Maryland…. Not blue bloods, Minn and f*cking Maryland!
 
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