The committee got it right and the Acc needs to not be considered P5 conference any longer.
The ACC isn't a P5 Conference - TIme for Relegation
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Looks like FSU would be better served being in the AAC!
But ESPN will make sure to have 5 teams ranked in the top 15 preseason rankings.
Whatever. No one takes Acc teams seriously anymore. This year proved it.
It's now P3.
It's now P3.
P5 is basically B1G + SEC + a lot of D1 costume jewelry on the periphery
There's no P5 anymore. There's 2 leagues and everybody else.
I'd love for them to get the BE treatment but ESPN won't have it............yet
The ACC is clearly on life support just like the old Big East at the end….
No one should be celebrating the demise of regional conferences. College football is much worse from the fans’ perspective in 2024 v 2019.
F them. I dont want Florida State in our conference
If forced to pick one or two true ACC teams to be in the B1G, FSU would not be it.
My biggest fear is after the next round of conference realignment comes contraction to kick out the have nots (e.g. the old BE and Temple) and further maximize profits.
absolutely a matter of time which is why we need to get our shit together
there is only so much money and too many teams
they don't add enough to the pot to warrant admission though. You get unc and fsu, we don't lose money. As for comp, not sure we couldn't have played with fsu this year if you look at their season. unc....we run all over them
win win
but our losses come to top teams and beef of the conference has smoked the opposition
Only theoretically possibility. As a practical matter, very unlikely to happen for many reasons.
Money is already being contracted to the P2 -- 34 current teams. Probably 40 teams tops when all said and done. How much more money would Bama or Ohio St get if the P2 contracted by ten teams? It would be about 25 million a year. Is that enough to jettison a team from the BIG or SEC, some who've been in that conference for years? And bear in mind the top programs are in the black, their athletic programs actually bank dollars. They already make more than they spend.
In the case of the BIG, each program owns a percentage of the network. So kicking out a program from the BIG would require payment of hundreds of millions to compensate for that loss ownership interest, in a best case scenario. In the case of the SEC, the sense of community prevalent in the Deep South runs deep. They're not going to kick out a Vandy who has been with them for decades and decades. Right now 26 states are represented in the P2. Kick out any more of those states nd the Feds are likely to get more involved. And do you really think the blue bloods want to be in a type of conference where they have to play other blue blood type programs every week? Their guys would get beat up and no team would escape w/o a couple yearly losses. To jettison the BIG/SEC brand for a super league is unlikely to happen because those brands carry so much value.
It's more of a fan theoretical possibility than a practical outcome. A far more likely outcome is what we are seeing -- money and power being concentrated in the P2. Maybe it gets to the place where the power programs eat what they kill in the post season.
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The SEC built there best conference status by beating a lot of ACC schools in bowl games. While I believe Rutgers would have won 8 or 9 games playing an ACC schedule this year, I'm not celebrating college football becoming a SEMI-PRO NFL. Instead of American and National Conferences, we will have the BIG10 vs the SEC.
It seems like UNC is SEC's top target with UVA 2nd. Makes sence since they already have a team in SC and FL. Most here believe UVA does not add $$$, even though some would love to have them due to academics, proximity, suckiness etc.
The Big10 is going south and the only teams that would pay for themselves is FSU(I guess Miami,, but FSU gets better rating and more fan support) and that's it if UNC goes to the SEC.
With that said I hope its FSU and ND and we stop at 20.
But if UNC goes SEC, and ND does not join with FSU, we will likely get Miami, GT or UVA with FSU.... then another with ND once they realize they will die slowly isolated... then that means we are at 22.
By that you mean Rutgers remains due to TV market? Or kicked out?
Don’t see Uva going to the Sec for a number of reasons.
Rutgers is in that equation. There are no models that cut off the entire NE in a national conference.
Rutgers is in that equation. There are no models that cut off the entire NE in a national conference.
Likely happening in 2-3 years
Looking forward to bringing my Garnett & Gold buddies to Piscataway
Going to be fun when it happens
You gonna swing by the tailgate when it does?
Really ? Where'd you hear that ? I don't think the SEC has any "targets" or any need to expand. If someone like ND fell into their lap, sure.
You want a school in a recruiting hotbed like Florida, in any business location is a key factor.
In time the schools (fan bases) will relegate their programs or not. The cost of business only goes up from here. With play getting progressively worse and the costs going up, there will be programs that go down in level, or even stop playing knowing they will not compete!
Even the NFL has a hard cap, because if they allowed this no holds barred system, teams like the Packers, Chiefs, and Bills, to name a few, would cease to exist!
Even in a luxury tax league like MLB, it is the only reason no teams have been contracted. Now consider the LA Dodgers fans. Like pretty much every other team in the area the Dodgers have their own network. So great right? No not for most fans who can't afford to pay for that network! Not to mention how much more expensive it is to go to a game.
At a certain point no matter where you are on the map, the costs get prohibitive. Either you lose your team (spot) or lose your ability to enjoy the game you used to love.
In time the schools (fan bases) will relegate their programs or not. The cost of business only goes up from here. With play getting progressively worse and the costs going up, there will be programs that go down in level, or even stop playing knowing they will not compete!
Even the NFL has a hard cap, because if they allowed this no holds barred system, teams like the Packers, Chiefs, and Bills, to name a few, would cease to exist!
Even in a luxury tax league like MLB, it is the only reason no teams have been contracted. Now consider the LA Dodgers fans. Like pretty much every other team in the area the Dodgers have their own network. So great right? No not for most fans who can't afford to pay for that network! Not to mention how much more expensive it is to go to a game.
At a certain point no matter where you are on the map, the costs get prohibitive. Either you lose your team (spot) or lose your ability to enjoy the game you used to love.
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Academics?
Rumor has it when Coach K recommended RU for ACC that FSU squashed it.
F Them!
I like Florida State, and always did back in my ACC days. I've never liked a coach more than Leonard Hamilton -- that guy took a lot of crap, but his teams were tough and successful, and he always acted like he'd "been there."
Maybe it's because of my personality, but I'd rather see a "state school" type program like Florida State (or NC State, or Virginia Tech) than either North Carolina or Virginia join up...
UVA gets into the SEC only if UNC has some type of pull to bring a buddy along. Just as realistic, however, the SEC is done. No need to expand. They have the south's best brands. Who knows though. Still think FSU +1 is a SEC lean based on the principal of likes attracting likes. The only certainty I feel is that the P2 is closer to being done expanding that most realize.
standards? to my knowledge, standards and UNC are words at a cross. Regardless, you don't make billion dollar decision for the reasons you cite. FSU makes the BIG better across the board in academics, football, eyeballs for tv, new markets, alumni reach
lol, coach K isn't even pertinent to this debate and it was 10+ years ago. Different time, different needs and different circumstances
lol you don't actually believe that bs peddled by nuts and his cronies do you? That is one of the dumber things ever postulated on this board
I heard the fake thing from one of the guys in our old tailgate group
At the time it sounded good (a few beers in and the steaks smelling good on the grill) but when i actually thought about it, why would we turn down the Acc invite not knowing we were eventually getting into the B1G and at the time, stuck in the Big East?
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