So tired of our guys getting smashed going to the tin with no calls. We touch somebody and whistle.
The refs were again atrocious...
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I don’t usually react to the refs, but they were calling super-soft fouls early on and towards the end: RU players were getting violently attacked with no calls.
How does an elbow to the back of Harper’s head not even get reviewed?
How does an elbow to the back of Harper’s head not even get reviewed?
I'm starting to get more used to it, but I feel officiating has deteriorated a lot over the years.
Read an article many years back discussing why basketball officiating was getting worse, and the gist was that an increase in professional games (i.e., WNBA at the time... But now also the G League) was drawing the better refs to the better payouts, leaving college basketball with the next quality tier down.
It got so bad with women's basketball but I just can't watch it anymore. Any two evenly matched teams might as well just flip a coin instead of playing the game. As bad as men's college officiating has gotten, women's college officiating is still far worse.
Read an article many years back discussing why basketball officiating was getting worse, and the gist was that an increase in professional games (i.e., WNBA at the time... But now also the G League) was drawing the better refs to the better payouts, leaving college basketball with the next quality tier down.
It got so bad with women's basketball but I just can't watch it anymore. Any two evenly matched teams might as well just flip a coin instead of playing the game. As bad as men's college officiating has gotten, women's college officiating is still far worse.
Some missed calls and bad calls, but that always happens. However, it was called fairly evenly, as we got many touch fouls called both against and for us - they called it both ways and it was 29-26 fouls in our favor.
Derkack is getting trucked like a safety trying to tackle Derrick Henry, and they don't call a foul. This has happened two games in a row. Add to that multiple out of bounds plays, multiple walks, and other calls that went their way. It was far from well officiated.
Was roughly even (not favoring either team), but very inconsistent. Officiating can be bad and still not favor one team over the other.
Williams paid a price for the randomness in what defines a foul, for example. Harper would draw hard contact with no call at the rim on one play, then draw a phantom foul away from the paint with no contact on another play.
Definitely a level of whistle roulette tonight.
We drive to the basket pretty much every possession and they hoist up 3s every possession. Should be a ton more fouls on them in a physical game like that
They took way more threes and most of our shots were in the paint. Derkack got mauled multiple times. Should have been even higher.
They take a lot of 3's because they move the ball really well, setting good screens, so they get lots of open looks - and they hit plenty of them, but we're often out of position defensively chasing the ball and then on long rebounds with them attacking the glass, leading to fouls, even when shooting more threes. I don't think there should be a "ton more fouls on them" just because they take more 3's.
How about when the guy almost broke Derkack rib on the offensive foul and nothing called
Generally speaking, teams that drive to the hoop draw more fouls than teams that pull up for jump shots, threes, and fadeaways. How often are fouls called on three-point shots versus layups?
That's just in a general sense, not saying anything specifically about this game.
Last night, all contact was rolling dice. Sometimes players got away with assault, other times they got whistled for breathing too hard... on both sides. Definition of a foul seemed to change whistle to whistle.
Massive no call. That would have fouled Reid out. Instead, he scored later in the possession, i believe, and he got a key rebound later. That was a textbook charge from lowering the shoulder.
They missed the ball rolling out of bounds off Alabama earlier, then ignored the jump ball to call a foul on Derkack. Ace got whistled for another foul on the same possession after inbounding it. Sears hits two FT. So there's another clear miss that cost us two fouls and two points.
Just because the total fouls was even does not make it a well officiated game.
Granted Harper sometimes draws light fouls. Somehow he gets that level of respect, which is great for us this year.
That I agree with. We lost because we didn’t hit our open 3 looks. 2-13 on 3s and we still had a chance at the end.
I’m sure if you went to the Alabama message board they are complaining that the refs favored Rutgers.
What I don’t understand is when there is a guy on the floor with the ball and another player dives on top of them to grab it why is that not a foul? Is it because it’s still considered a loose ball and anything goes?
There's a rectangle/square relationship between "the refs were bad" and "the refs screwed us". You can have the first without the second.
Inconsistent officiating definitely impacted the game.... but I don't feel the table was tilted. A consistent whistle would have resulted in a different game with different dynamics, but I don't know if that would have benefited one team or the other more.
Also, refs can be great and still end up favoring one team over the other... a perfectly consistent crew might have a tight whistle that benefits a team with more depth and hurts a team with a non-existent bench, or that hurts the team playing aggressive man defense and helps a team that lives in the paint and shoots well at the line.
Players and coaches are expected to adapt to the way a game is being called... which isn't really possible when calls are inconsistent play to play.
Players and coaches are expected to adapt to the way a game is being called... which isn't really possible when calls are inconsistent play to play.
The refs by calling the game tight and inconsistently disrupted a great basketball game calling a ridiculous 55 fouls. Anyone in the arena was pissed at the number of fouls called both ways. Chants of “ Let them play “ were heard over and over again. It was so inconsistently bad and really tried hard to ruin the flow of the game but the great players on the floor didn’t allow it to be ruined. Now losing Jeremiah to foul trouble and then eventually got the game with 9:56 left really hurt as he had scored 10 points already becoming the third offensive option plus he would have harassed Sears with his defensive pressure and length. That was a big hit for RU to take.
The refs were absolutely bad, in a couple/few different ways. But not biased or favoring anybody, from what I could tell.
They were very inconsistent, with lots of touch-fouls getting called in the first half, and lots of muggings not being called in the second. They missed several travels on both teams. They also missed a bunch of moving picks on Bama (we tend to not move much during picks, but we should’ve since these refs were letting it go).
I saw a ton of fouls that could’ve been called but weren’t, on both teams, in the second half. The refs seemed to trying to let them play. But then they’d call some strange light touch fouls, again on both teams, sometimes. One of the most weirdly inconsistent games I can recall, with how the refs called things.
They were very inconsistent, with lots of touch-fouls getting called in the first half, and lots of muggings not being called in the second. They missed several travels on both teams. They also missed a bunch of moving picks on Bama (we tend to not move much during picks, but we should’ve since these refs were letting it go).
I saw a ton of fouls that could’ve been called but weren’t, on both teams, in the second half. The refs seemed to trying to let them play. But then they’d call some strange light touch fouls, again on both teams, sometimes. One of the most weirdly inconsistent games I can recall, with how the refs called things.
