To all Rutgers fans

[cubuffsdoug]

I was informed by someone with good knowledge of the
recruiting scene concerning Rutgers and this person made it clear that other
schools are up to their usual tricks like painting a bleak and deceitful
picture about Rutgers. One of the main
lies going around to recruits is the lack of a real chance to make it to the
NFL if the recruit attends Rutgers. This
BS has to stop. I'm not asking anyone to
break the rules the NCAA has in place, but we must debunk the lies head on. I'm asking any of you to find articles, news
links, even Belichick comments talking about Rutgers success in the NFL. Find and post info on graduation rates, APR rankings as compare to competing programs for the services of NJ recruits. Post
this info to twitter, Facebook, Instagram. etc. every chance you get because it's
all about perception. Recruits need to
know the facts and be able to see the truth with their eyes and ears. This must be a long term commitment to
helping Rutgers football.

 

[ron313]

Only a truly stupid recruit would fall for that. Might be a good way to weed them out.

 

[Local Shill]

Is HCJF one of the perpetrators?
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[jay_hq]

lol. if you didnt know already that this was something other coaches did before your "someone with good knowledge told you", you have no idea how recruiting works.

saying you wont make it to the nfl at another college is for beginners. theres a lot worse negative recruiting going on.

 

[RUich]

All anyone has to do is go to ESPN and check the current lists of colleges that compose the NFL players. I just did it and we have 22 listed. The real question in a recruits head should be the chance of even making the field if they decide to go to a school loaded with top players. Pretty damn hard to get noticed if you don't get much of a chance to show it.

 

[knightfan7]

Originally posted by jay_hq:
lol. if you didnt know already that this was something other coaches did before your "someone with good knowledge told you", you have no idea how recruiting works.

saying you wont make it to the nfl at another college is for beginners. theres a lot worse negative recruiting going on.



Me thinks the OP probably knows more about recruiting than you're assuming since he has just a wee bit of personal experience.

 

[MADHAT1]

Originally posted by knightfan7:

Originally posted by jay_hq:
lol. if you didnt know already that this was something other coaches did before your "someone with good knowledge told you", you have no idea how recruiting works.

saying you wont make it to the nfl at another college is for beginners. theres a lot worse negative recruiting going on.



Me thinks the OP probably knows more about recruiting than you're assuming since he has just a wee bit of personal experience.

Agree with you on that and the OP is a past Frank Burns award winner ( over 20 years ago) so out of HS he learned
how it works .

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Originally posted by jay_hq:
lol. if you didnt know already that this was something other coaches did before your "someone with good knowledge told you", you have no idea how recruiting works.

saying you wont make it to the nfl at another college is for beginners. theres a lot worse negative recruiting going on.

I've experienced recruiting as a player, as a coach and as someone involved with covering it now. You would be surprise by how some of the recruits and their parents are fooled by the lies. Not everyone is well informed. My intent was to create a push to counter the BS that's out there. Have people take to the twitter, facebook, etc. with facts to the point it's becomes the new perception. Time to look outside of the box to help the program and product grow. I just wish some people spend less time waiting around to respond to every post with sarcasm or something negative without really thinking about the OP.

Btw, the info came from someone most Rutgers fans follow and respect. If he said it, I guess it would carry more weight with some of the doubters here.

 

[B0ski]

Originally posted by jay_hq:
lol. if you didnt know already that this was something other coaches did before your "someone with good knowledge told you", you have no idea how recruiting works.

saying you wont make it to the nfl at another college is for beginners. theres a lot worse negative recruiting going on.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[ArminRU]

Considering we are basically the New England Patriot's minor league team, I dunno if anyone would buy that

 

[yesrutgers01]

Knowing who the OP is, I get it. And I get the message he is trying to put out. And it certainly doesn't hurt to put out twitter, FB, whatever about our school.
On the other hand, I don't think the sarcasm is against our respected OP but the message itself, if it is being used. We have put 4star, 3 star, 2 star and walkons into the NFL and if these kids are all savoy enough for twitter, Instagram, checking depth charts, etc
Just how in the world are they falling for any coach tellung them that?

It only takes 3 words on google
Rutgers- NFL- players

 

[Dr. Potato]

Perception is reality. If he says that's what people believe then .....

The whole thing has gone way off the rails. Recruting needs to be completely restructured. It's ridiculous.

Restrict it to a few months a year. Have a signing period for seniors, no verbals. That's it. Stop the madness.

 

[JQRU91]

If you think it's that much of a problem, there's a simple answer. Make a list of all the Rutgers players who played in the NFL in the last ten years. Include columns with their position and the years they were at RU. Then find a way to get the list circulated. The coaching staff could send a copy to recruits, or the athletic department could take an ad out in the paper. Recruits can look at the names and see in the columns across that Rutgers has put players from their position in the NFL recently.

 

[bryanjints]

This needs to be put out by that rudreamteam website and their social media

 

[Plum Street]

Lol this is a funny thread. How can someone that is a fan of college football not have an inkling how recruiting works. It's very shady, and even more so in basketball.

 

[OriginalKnight]

Doesn't the Hale Center have some board with all the current RU NFL players on it and then a small replica helmet of their team next to it?

If I'm correct, then I'm sure every recruit who visits is taken directly to it.

I would do that.

 

[Abro1975]

RU plays the Knights in the NFL video on the big scoreboard at all games, including Spring game. They will all see it. Granted this year we only had 1 player invited to the combine, an off year.

 

[srru86]

Big Ten Network
Dienhart: Check out Rutgers' 10-year NFL draft snapshot

 

[NYSportsFan]

wouldn't be a thread without jay_hq jumping on someone immediately as they post it, so no shock there.

 

[rutgersguy1]

The only kind of recruits that would work on would be ones who really have no interest in us. With the slightest bit of contact or research most of that stuff can be debunked. It's like people not knowing RU is in NJ or just outside of NYC. With the slightest bit of effort you can find that out but if you don't care in the first place you won't know.

 

[imbazza]

CUBuff has a point you do not die by a sword but a thousand little cuts. It is a very dirty game recruiting and look at recruits Mom and Dad may not have even a HS degree so what will they know about Rutgers or any college
We sell APR and I like that base how do you cut that down well you can't get to the next level via RU. How else does LSU Kentucky counter APR at a top 50 school in the world. It ain't going to be quality of education. Yes CUBuff is right it is a cut, small but a big cut in you have 4/5 stars and expect to get to the next level. At lease Hugging dad was smart enough to have his son come here and get a great education and support because I do not believe he will make the next level no matter what his family thinks. Reality sucks some times. But thes kids and family are on cloud nine believing Lemming and ESPN that they are the next Pros

 

[derleider]

I've experienced recruiting as a player, as a coach and as someone involved with covering it now. You would be surprise by how some of the recruits and their parents are fooled by the lies. Not everyone is well informed. My intent was to create a push to counter the BS that's out there. Have people take to the twitter, facebook, etc. with facts to the point it's becomes the new perception. Time to look outside of the box to help the program and product grow. I just wish some people spend less time waiting around to respond to every post with sarcasm or something negative without really thinking about the OP.

Btw, the info came from someone most Rutgers fans follow and respect. If he said it, I guess it would carry more weight with some of the doubters here.

What? Salesmen are able to trick people with lies? Couldn't be. Perhaps our issue is that we dont have a good enough salesman.

 

[JoeRU0304]

...considering there was a recruit this past cycle whose family was "concerned" about student 'safety and academics' at Rutgers, I'd say some people are capable of believing / falling for anything.


Joe P.

 

[RUROCKIN]

We tell recruits considering TTFP that the entire campus smells like Rosie O'Donnell's vagina mixed with cow shit so I guess it's all part of the recruiting game.

 

[IL Lusciato]

The NFL thing is hilarious in the first place. Most of these kids are in for a reality check.

 

[JoeRU0304]

The NFL thing is hilarious in the first place. Most of these kids are in for a reality check.

...some of these kids looking to 'coast' through college on their way to the NFL need to watch 'The Best That Never Was', 'Broke' and read up on what professions most 'local legend' players end up making their bones in (because it's not the NFL)...


Joe P.

 

[PSU_Nut]

I was informed by someone with good knowledge of the
recruiting scene concerning Rutgers and this person made it clear that other
schools are up to their usual tricks like painting a bleak and deceitful
picture about Rutgers. One of the main
lies going around to recruits is the lack of a real chance to make it to the
NFL if the recruit attends Rutgers. This
BS has to stop. I'm not asking anyone to
break the rules the NCAA has in place, but we must debunk the lies head on. I'm asking any of you to find articles, news
links, even Belichick comments talking about Rutgers success in the NFL. Find and post info on graduation rates, APR rankings as compare to competing programs for the services of NJ recruits. Post
this info to twitter, Facebook, Instagram. etc. every chance you get because it's
all about perception. Recruits need to
know the facts and be able to see the truth with their eyes and ears. This must be a long term commitment to
helping Rutgers football.

If the Rutgers coaches can't get the message across do you think some random dude on twitter, facebook and Instagram will? If they don't believe in coaches enough to believe what they are saying they are not going to commit anyways. Sounds like the source is just making excuses for the staff's inability to close. Negative recruiting is just part of the business unfortunately. If they can't overcome it perhaps they are not in the right business.

 

[ScarletKnightRider]

Sabatoge? Say it isnt so. If true that stinks but I feel like we aren't the only school to be the victim of negative recruiting. Do other fanbases usually have to tweet to potential recruits to dispel lies?

I remember talking about negative recruiting to Todderick and he said something along the lines that negative recruiting can backfire because it could make the recruiter come off as dishonest or scheming. After all the publicity of the New England Patriots basically being nicknamed "Rutgers North" I simply do not understand how people could continue to fall for lies and B.S. If I were a coach I would send spies to follow around recruits when they visit other schools to see what other coaches are saying about me

 

[j10oreo]

All anyone has to do is go to ESPN and check the current lists of colleges that compose the NFL players. I just did it and we have 22 listed. The real question in a recruits head should be the chance of even making the field if they decide to go to a school loaded with top players. Pretty damn hard to get noticed if you don't get much of a chance to show it.

That's the logic that gets lost with recruits.

 

[dicemen99]

This thread is ridiculous, no matter who the OP is.

If RU can not deal with negative recruiting as easily debunked as what the OP posited was being bandied about, well....then RU needs a new staff.

The OP's scenario just reminds me of a "whisper down the lane" type of thing. Somebody heard this, and somebody heard that, and then all of the sudden other football teams coaches are pointing out that you can't get to the NFL from RU. Maybe it started with "you have a better chance getting to the NFL from here." There are a lot of schools who can make that claim. And a lot that can't.

If just don't see college coaches saying you don't have a "real chance" at making the NFL from RU. These guys aren't idiots.

 

[dicemen99]

That's the logic that gets lost with recruits.

Well, if you have a recuit that thinks there is not a "real chance" to make the NFL from RU, despite the fact that there are plenty of RU guys in the NFL - a fact that I'm sure every RU coach points out to the recruits - how couldn't they???? - well, as another poster put it above, the recruit probably doesn't belong at 75% of the D1 schools in the country, let alone a B1G institution.

 

[rurichdog]

Is it wrong to say "If you want to be a lazy bench jockey who sneaks into the NFL based on the name on the front of the jersey not the name on the back, Rutgers isn't the place for you?". It most likely is, and the sarcasm would be lost any way.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Well, if you have a recuit that thinks there is not a "real chance" to make the NFL from RU, despite the fact that there are plenty of RU guys in the NFL - a fact that I'm sure every RU coach points out to the recruits - how couldn't they???? - well, as another poster put it above, the recruit probably doesn't belong at 75% of the D1 schools in the country, let alone a B1G institution.

Yet perception is what rules that average person views on most things in this world. How many idiots from other teams believe Rutgers is a loser of a program that has never been anything until some mild success in a waterdown BE? Plenty, but anyone with some real sense knows that's not true. The overall perception of the program is based on tough times in the late 90s early 2000s. It's been cemented in the minds of everyone as a yearly problem dating back to 1869.

If the Rutgers coaches can't get the message across do you think some random dude on twitter, facebook and Instagram will? If they don't believe in coaches enough to believe what they are saying they are not going to commit anyways. Sounds like the source is just making excuses for the staff's inability to close. Negative recruiting is just part of the business unfortunately. If they can't overcome it perhaps they are not in the right business.

Maybe the coaches are the problem, but something tells me it more than that consider every coach over the last 20 years has faced the same BS. My personal experience involves your very own JoPa who offered me. I basically heard very little pro PSU info, but I heard a lot of negative jabs at Rutgers, Syracuse and a few other schools I had interest in at the time. Now, fast forward to 2010 and I'm coaching HS ball in NJ. In walks 2 coaches from Syracuse (Greg Robinson boys) asking about a player they wanted to recruit. When they heard Rutgers was one of the schools, the first thing out of one of them was RUTGERS... REALLY? Why not go JUCO and try again for one of the big schools if he has any real dreams of playing big time ball. We are talking 2010 when Rutgers was on the uptick and owned Syracuse, but the mindset was still holding on to yesteryear. So, to sit here and pretend this isn't happening is a joke on you. I do wish Flood sometimes stop taking the high road and get down and dirty with some questionable info on competing schools. Btw, when I spoke with the player he actual though there was some truth to it until I gave him facts. I really wanted to ripped those 2 a new one, but I couldn't let my personal feelings get in the way.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

This thread is ridiculous, no matter who the OP is.

If RU can not deal with negative recruiting as easily debunked as what the OP posited was being bandied about, well....then RU needs a new staff.

The OP's scenario just reminds me of a "whisper down the lane" type of thing. Somebody heard this, and somebody heard that, and then all of the sudden other football teams coaches are pointing out that you can't get to the NFL from RU. Maybe it started with "you have a better chance getting to the NFL from here." There are a lot of schools who can make that claim. And a lot that can't.

If just don't see college coaches saying you don't have a "real chance" at making the NFL from RU. These guys aren't idiots.

A person is smart, but people are stupid. An individual is smart enough to laugh it off, but in a group setting no one wants to be the person that is view as different. That individual will go against his better judgment so he's not view as the idiot.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Of all the stupid and demonstrably false arguments...all you have to do is Google or watch TV Sunday in the fall/winter...