Tonight was bad, but ultimate disaster scenario averted
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Amen, but Herby is trying to scare us questioning whether the NitWits could possibly pass Washington for the 4th position, and citing Washington's weak SOS. His sidekick, however, pointed out that should have been taken into account with the prior week's ratings, and the Huskies "took care of business" against a good Colorado team, winning convincingly.
Who the hell cares. we're so far behind all of the top B10 teams including PSU that it doesn't even matter.
Because their fans are all bastards who deserve no joy EVER in their lives?
You ask a question that many of us know the answer without having to explain why. Grass is green. Rain is wet. If it has to be explained you already don't get it.
Exactly.
It is crystal clear.
Some people just don't get it.
IMO, that makes them less of a real Rutgers fan.
For me the game sucked too. Cory Clemons getting stopped short on fourth and inches. McSorley pulling a game out of his posterior.
But Pedd St. has two losses. No way they could be considered one of the top 4 teams. And they aren't.
8 team playoff ends most of the controversy. It really doesn't matter, as it's Alabama's to lose. Best team in the country vs any number of also rans.
They are the BIG Champs not Ohio State or Michigan. They should be in I can't believe what they have accomplished I'm so bitter that they have that and we have what we have.
By constantly beating the drum that they look at a team's whole resume, the committee has no choice but to put in OSU. The Washington/PSU debate will be intriguing, but I think the 2nd loss does them in.
If they want real excitement, bump it to 6 let all 5 conf. champs get spot and have the resumes decide the one at large bid.
If they want real excitement, bump it to 6 let all 5 conf. champs get spot and have the resumes decide the one at large bid.
I disagree. PSU lost two games. OSU only one and that was to the Big Ten champs. Does anyone really think PSU is a better team ? AL-Clemson-OS-UW. There's your top four teams in the country. PSU deserves a nice bowl game like the Rose assuming that's not part of the playoff this year.
Penn State
- Best wins: Ohio State, Wisconsin
- Losses: Pitt, Michigan
- OOC: Kent St, Pitt, Temple
Ohio State
- Best wins: Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Michigan
- Losses: Penn State
- OOC: Bowling Green, Tulsa, Oklahoma
In almost no way, shape, or form is Penn State's resume as impressive as OSU's. I think of the conference championship more as the chance for an extra top win than anything else but the championship itself is pretty devalued these days.
Penn State has more of an argument to get in over Washington than it does Ohio State.
Ohio State beat Oklahoma on the road which is better than any road win PSU has.
yep, this is the year that exposes the 4 team format. I would say even Mich feels like it could have been one of those last 4.
Now the committee and people have to argue over "considerations" to pick who has a shot at the NC...which I know they do every year but this year there are going to be too many left out who could make a good case that given the chance....
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That is an excellent analysis and nails it well.
Now let's compare Penn State and Washington and Clemson:
Penn State
- Best wins: Ohio State, Wisconsin
- Losses: Pitt, Michigan
- OOC: Kent St, Pitt, Temple
Washington:
-Best wins: Colorado, Stanford
-Losses: USC (best 3 lost team in nation)
-OOC: Idaho, Portland State, Rutgers (far weaker than PSU from P5 and non P5)
Clemson:
-Best wins: Auburn, Louisville, FSU (better than Washington)
-Losses: Pitt (same team that beat PSU)
-OOC: Troy (strong), Auburn, SC State (they beat PSU and Wash on this)
On this analysis, assuming Bama #1, tOSU #2, then
3- Clemson
4- PSU
5-Washington
Lucky the committee will be making the decision. Thus, the 4 best teams will get selected and that does not include the Nits.
Penn state is back,whether some ru fans like it or not. The announcers on tv last night said the scandal is over and they are elite once again. As for the rankings, I do not think that Ohio at is a top 4 team. Their offense is absolutely terrible, and Alabama would not let them cross the 50 yd. line . Clemson ,USC and penn st. Are the only teams that would make the championship game interesting. Should Ohio st some how make the final game, Alabama would put up 50 pts on them.
PSU deserves the 4th spot so that all those great NJ players ,our Home State you know,can be rewarded for making the correct choice of Colleges.
Your case makes perfect sense under the old bcs way of thinking. it will be fascinating to see how the committee weighs the conference championship versus an overall better resume.
I'm never swayed by the "best four teams" argument.
Safe to say that Penn State, Michigan, and Ohio State are three of the best four teams in the country right now, but we've already got a system for determining who among them is the best of the three, and -- I can't believe I'm saying this -- that system determines that Penn State is the best team. They beat the Ohio State University head-to-head, and won their conference title. I don't like it, but it pretty much addresses every rebuttal, empirically. If you want to start parsing that Penn State loss on behalf of the Buckeyes, then you have to do the same thing for the Wolverines when they visited Columbus.
After that, the playoffs need to resolve the question of regional alignments that don't come head-to-head during the season. The Pac-12 coughs up Washington as the best team west of the Mississippi/Rockies, and that demands representation in a four team playoff. They may have lost to USC in the regular season, but no one traveled to the west coast and challenged them, and the idea of keeping out a one-loss PAC-12 champ would never occur to anyone if that team was the Trojans or Bruins or Cardinal.
If Rutgers had the Buckeyes' season, no one would be letting them into the playoff. They'd point to the Penn State loss and say that was the deal breaker, and the Nitts would be off to the playoffs, no questions asked. Ohio State is riding on its fan base and legacy, and the Big Ten schedule/championship performs the screening process of who from that conference should advance to the playoff -- there is absolutely no reasonable argument for sending two teams from one conference to such a severely limited playoff group.
Safe to say that Penn State, Michigan, and Ohio State are three of the best four teams in the country right now, but we've already got a system for determining who among them is the best of the three, and -- I can't believe I'm saying this -- that system determines that Penn State is the best team. They beat the Ohio State University head-to-head, and won their conference title. I don't like it, but it pretty much addresses every rebuttal, empirically. If you want to start parsing that Penn State loss on behalf of the Buckeyes, then you have to do the same thing for the Wolverines when they visited Columbus.
After that, the playoffs need to resolve the question of regional alignments that don't come head-to-head during the season. The Pac-12 coughs up Washington as the best team west of the Mississippi/Rockies, and that demands representation in a four team playoff. They may have lost to USC in the regular season, but no one traveled to the west coast and challenged them, and the idea of keeping out a one-loss PAC-12 champ would never occur to anyone if that team was the Trojans or Bruins or Cardinal.
If Rutgers had the Buckeyes' season, no one would be letting them into the playoff. They'd point to the Penn State loss and say that was the deal breaker, and the Nitts would be off to the playoffs, no questions asked. Ohio State is riding on its fan base and legacy, and the Big Ten schedule/championship performs the screening process of who from that conference should advance to the playoff -- there is absolutely no reasonable argument for sending two teams from one conference to such a severely limited playoff group.
Oh well.......if the tv announcers said it then it must be true.
But they have TWO LOSSES. So any talk of them being in the "final four" is IMO ridiculous.
And if Clemons had made that yard on 4th-and-one they might still be playing.
This is why the playoff should be extended to 8 teams instead of 4.
It should be the 5 power 5 conference champs and 3 of the next best in the top 8
It should be the 5 power 5 conference champs and 3 of the next best in the top 8
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