Tyrone Hill (DB Prep CB) decommits from MD
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I've never seen so many Decommitts. Even with our changeover I feel confident we will be able to land a few of these guys.
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The earlier and earlier coaches push kids to commit the more of this you will see
I'll restate what I've been saying about this for years.
The whole concept of "verbal commitment" needs to go away. There is, officially, no such thing and to @vkj91 's point, the coaches push for it earlier and earlier and all you wind up with is a class full of kids who haven't made up their minds and are forced to declare - publicly - that they've changed them.
The NLI program needs to be overhauled with respect to two major changes:
- The addition of an "early signing deadline" for football - most logically, IMO, this would be sometime in late August / early September of the recruit's senior year in H.S. to cover those kids who are either enrolling early or just want to get the process finished before their senior season. The early deadline would be contractually binding, just like the February date, and could be publicized by the school.
- A complete moratorium - total ban - on any and all "declared affinity" by recruits prior to the applicable signing day. They should be allowed to declare, publicly, what schools are recruiting them and *maybe* what schools they're visiting, and that's it. No more Twitter fodder getting spun off of these completely fabricated "verbal commitments".
Name of the game now. Wake me up in Feb. to see where the dust settles.
Bullshit. Teams can't comment on recruiting, period. There's no reason why part of the process can't be to prevent recruits from making "verbal commitments" that don't mean anything.
Within the context of contractual relationships there are limitations on speech. That's a simple fact. The recruiting of collegiate athletes is a well-defined process that already contains limitations on speech. Preventing a recruit from declaring an affinity to any one school isn't a big deal.
And perhaps what you fail to recognize, but what @vkj91 well knows, is that the whole "verbal commitment" nonsense is actually encouraged by the schools. It's a marketing tactic. Even if a recruit flat-out tells a coach that he isn't going to ultimately sign with a school but has a good relationship with the program, he might still be encouraged to provide an early verbal so that the recruiting staff can use that as leverage with other kids. This was a common Flood tactic and the reason why he had so many apparent "decommits".
Agree that football should either have an early signing period or just stop with the early commitments. If I was advising young athletes I would have a bias against committing early anyway. I could see if if you are using to enhance your standing by getting into a school that is a reach either academically or athletically (although not sure how wise that is) but otherwise too much can happen before Jan/Feb that could change your thinking. My view is based on the presumption that the term commitment means something more than how I feel this week or month.
NCAA needs to change this nonsense.
Once you use the word commit, there has to have some significance to that decision.
If a kid commits, then he can't commit in the same conference or any other schools that he had indicated as his top 5 before the decision. There has to be some teeth to a commit. It should cost a player something if he decides to decommit. Right now it is as easy as dumping a girlfriend. It has to have some kind of a prenup.
Once you use the word commit, there has to have some significance to that decision.
If a kid commits, then he can't commit in the same conference or any other schools that he had indicated as his top 5 before the decision. There has to be some teeth to a commit. It should cost a player something if he decides to decommit. Right now it is as easy as dumping a girlfriend. It has to have some kind of a prenup.
The school fired the coach, why shouldn't he be allowed to de-commit? College football is not a draft nor is it like soccer where a young kid becomes property and has almost no choices until and if he becomes a super star...
Just like all the repercussions on coaches when they decide to leave, or position coaches, or schools when they recruit over a kid they said they weren't going to recruit over, or change the offense, or get him in the program and move his position when they said they wouldn't?
These kids have a very big decision and very little control over what happens once they actually get on campus. Recruiting is the only time they have any leverage and any control, they should be able to move around and decommit. I mean the MD team he committed to changed coaching staffs and somehow there needs to be repercussions because he's re-thinking things? That's insane.
Call me crazy, but rather than introduce more bureaucracy, why don't people simply realize what a "verbal commitment" really is and not get hung up about it? Maybe the process is fine as it is, it's just that people's personal interpretations of "verbal commitments" and biases that is the real problem? Maybe...I'm just sayin'.
I've never put any stock in them, but the reality is that an entire economy has been spun up around the concept.
This web site exists, largely, to monitor and report on recruiting. The constant background chatter about "interest" and "verbals" are part of a revenue stream. And as I said earlier, the teams and coaches, who aren't allowed to comment on the specifics of recruiting, use this "backdoor" social energy as a sales tool to drive their own recruiting success.
The bottom line is that it puts too much pressure on the kids, IMO. They're not able to enjoy the recruiting process in and of itself, absent the pressure of being used as sales tools by all the schools that are talking to them and the media outlets reporting on all of it. So they wind up making bad decisions and then have to deal with the outcome, one way or the other.
I don't see how you can stop some kid from announcing he's picked his school.
Making a Verbal doesn't stop other coaches from recruiting the kid, doesn't stop the kid from still looking around, and doesn't stop the staff from trying to get someone better at the position. It's us fans who get all wrapped up in it and think it means more than it often does.
An early signing period only works if the recruit has some kind of escape clause. In most cases staffs are more settled and kids know who else are likely signees to the program. Signing in September not only means you are committing to a staff that may not be there but also the kid could be recruited "over" in the same class. I also think early signing will help the OSU's. Alabama's, and USC's of the world much more than the middle of the road schools. Kids will commit because of the fear of being left out rather than it being their best long term opportunity.
Making a Verbal doesn't stop other coaches from recruiting the kid, doesn't stop the kid from still looking around, and doesn't stop the staff from trying to get someone better at the position. It's us fans who get all wrapped up in it and think it means more than it often does.
An early signing period only works if the recruit has some kind of escape clause. In most cases staffs are more settled and kids know who else are likely signees to the program. Signing in September not only means you are committing to a staff that may not be there but also the kid could be recruited "over" in the same class. I also think early signing will help the OSU's. Alabama's, and USC's of the world much more than the middle of the road schools. Kids will commit because of the fear of being left out rather than it being their best long term opportunity.
While those are all valid points, my question would be "how do we stop the imbeciles who constantly whine about this or that verbal or decommit when people with actual sense know that none of it matters until February?"
Simple answer is you can't. Sure, people need to realize it's great conversation but in many cases nothing more. It's just we're all so heavily invested in wanting the best it becomes personal. Unfortunately, as Tom Hanks said in "You've Got Mail", "It's not personal, it's just business" and big time college football is a business in pretty much every sense of the word.
Over 90% of verbals end up going exactly where they pledged they were going. So, saying they "don't mean anything" is exaggeration and hyperbole.
Apparently MD wanted to go after some high level corners out of Florida. I do think Hill is a good kid and goes to Rutgers.
That might be on the high side, but it is better to get a commitment from a player than not.
The first amendment is a beautiful thing. It grants people the freedom of speech. But what that also means is that it grants people the freedom to not listen to people they don't want to listen to. It's a matter of perspective...
I don't think the 1st Amendment means what you think it means. You seem like one of those people who complain when a thread is deleted "because freedom of speech".
Coaches aren't allowed to comment about recruits before NSD. Are their Constitutional rights being violated? Should they all get lawyers and sue?
You are very hard to keep up with...you change your story quite a bit. I was replying to your question of how do you stop the imbeciles who complain about decommits. My answer was simple. Stop listening to them.
I'm not sure what you are asking now.
Early signing goes both ways. What if that kid gets hurt his senior year? Pro is if he signed early he still gets his ship, however there is the possible downside of the coach getting fired. Risk goes both ways.
No, you're right - those are two separate points, my apologies.
As to the one you were addressing... I suppose it's anecdotal at best. I've just always been amazed at the extent to which grown men salivate over the Twitter meanderings of 16 and 17 year-old kids. Assuming that they've truly made up their minds about anything is unrealistic.
No problem. There's a reason everybody says RU has the "thoughtful fan base" of the CFB world.
It's true...but to be fair to "them," we're both replying in a thread about a senior in high school. I say we just go back to a state of pure negligence where we can't discern right from wrong/creepy.
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