Ugh...can't believe the refs in this game

[RU848789]

24 fouls to 24, overall, and it was 24 for FSU and only 21 for RU until the last minute or so, when we started fouling. Just tired of people always complaining about the refs. They're not perfect in any game, but they were pretty even handed tonight - they were not a factor in the loss.

Now, that aside, we played pretty well tonight and were in this game against a very good team all the way to the end. If we could've made a couple more treys and not turned the ball over so much in the 2nd half, who knows. Tough game for Baker, but Corey, Freeman, and especially O picked up the slack with 20, 15, and a new career high of 22, respectively. Biggest issue to me was that we had almost no offense from the bigs tonight (3 points) which had been averaging 10 or so, combined. Excited for the rest of the season and we're going to beat a few teams nobody expects us to beat.

 

[SJScarlet]

24 fouls to 24, overall, and it was 24 for FSU and only 21 for RU until the last minute or so, when we started fouling. Just tired of people always complaining about the refs. They're not perfect in any game, but they were pretty even handed tonight - they were not a factor in the loss.

Now, that aside, we played pretty well tonight and were in this game against a very good team all the way to the end. If we could've made a couple more treys and not turned the ball over so much in the 2nd half, who knows. Tough game for Baker, but Corey, Freeman, and especially O picked up the slack with 20, 15, and a new career high of 22, respectively. Biggest issue to me was that we had almost no offense from the bigs tonight (3 points) which had been averaging 10 or so, combined. Excited for the rest of the season and we're going to beat a few teams nobody expects us to beat.

They were a factor in the loss. Three free points when they called Souf for fouling the three point shooter, which I don't believe he did. Critical spot in the game that gave them a lead they were able to keep.

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

LOL..I was ready to jump in on the fouls. Bottom line, if Williams, Baker, or Thiam did anything tonight we win.

 

[fbc1866]

FS was a difficult team to defend. Their length and athleticism was a tough call for us to handle. This will be a great learning experience for a young team.

 

[Proud NJ Sports Fan]

Waste of time to read the hot air from the original post

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

FS was a difficult team to defend. Their length and athleticism was a tough call for us to handle. This will be a great learning experience for a young team.

their entire team is Frosh/Soph (x cofer and the guy who didn't play). Freeman is 5th year and Williams a Sr. Corey a Jr. Why do we have to be the team to learn and young?

 

[RC85]

They were a factor in the loss. Three free points when they called Souf for fouling the three point shooter, which I don't believe he did. Critical spot in the game that gave them a lead they were able to keep.

that phantom foul on Souf was a joke

 

[whofrewdatmataRU13]

I would agree with you at halftime, but I would say our sloppy second half play cost us the game.

 

[Zak57]

They were terrible for both sides. Totally ruined any tempo and as a defensive team you can argue the ticky tacky calls hurt us more.

 

[lilphilw]

Eh we got some calls tonight too. I’m more frustrated with the lack of D on Walker. That’s the real blame tonight. He was driving way too easily and getting hacked left and right. No one but the players to blame for that

 

[Rutgers25]

I thought the refs were overzealous going both ways

 

[bac2therac]

refs were bad both ways..that they were consistent with, no one should be bitching. RU got a very favorable stretch of strange calls to make up for the ones that went against us. Its a shame that the refs had to call alot of stuff instead of letting it go

 

[pmvon]

They were pretty terrible

 

[MV9000]

Refs absolutely stole this show

 

[RUBand]

I had the post game show on the radio driving home from a rehearsal, announcers said that there were several calls against RU big man early that were not fouls

 

[RUJMM78]

The referees didn't decide the outcome of this game.Florida State simply made more plays in crunch time and Rutgers once again was ice cold with 3 point shots and committed too many turnovers resulting in layups by Florida State.

 

[BigEastPhil]

24 fouls to 24, overall, and it was 24 for FSU and only 21 for RU until the last minute or so, when we started fouling. Just tired of people always complaining about the refs. They're not perfect in any game, but they were pretty even handed tonight - they were not a factor in the loss.

Now, that aside, we played pretty well tonight and were in this game against a very good team all the way to the end. If we could've made a couple more treys and not turned the ball over so much in the 2nd half, who knows. Tough game for Baker, but Corey, Freeman, and especially O picked up the slack with 20, 15, and a new career high of 22, respectively. Biggest issue to me was that we had almost no offense from the bigs tonight (3 points) which had been averaging 10 or so, combined. Excited for the rest of the season and we're going to beat a few teams nobody expects us to beat.

Respectfully disagree #'s. Not accusing the refs that they're the reason why we lost however in the beginning of the first half - they called several ticky tack fouls that in essence knocked Baker and Dourcore out of the game for the 1st half and hence I thought Baker lost his agressiveness as the game progressed due to foul issues. Further the foul call on Souf on the 3 pointer was atrocious as was the non call on Freeman during the first half when he got blatantly pushed.

Refs always will "even out" fouls as they never stop looking at the scoreboard for the foul situation "score" but I felt we lost 2 pivotal pieces at the onset of the game by the refs being ticky tacky and not assessing the tone or mode of the game situation.

 

[knights1212]

Baker got hit with two ticky tack fouls in about the first 3-4 minutes of the game. I don't think either one of the fouls should have been called. He had to sit for about the next 10-12 minutes and it really affected our offense. Also the 3 point shot foul on Mensah according to the replay showed he never hit the FSU guy. That was very costly as FSU opened up the lead with those 3 points. I was proud of how hard our guys played but we still must keep working & improving. Tonight's game could have gone either way.

 

[SirScarlet]

refs killed us tonight. geo in foul trouble early. that hurt.

they kept allowing their guards to place a hand on our guards hip, clearly impeding progress. BUT, they nailed us for it a few times (see above on Geo) B. Knight was going bananas on the sideline. so was I.

their #2 baited the same ref not once, but twice. not touched either time. LITERALLY. and both times laughed that he got the ref. 5 points right there.

you can't look at the total fouls. you have to look at the timing of the fouls.

Look, FSU was the better team, and in all fairness, they deserved to win tonight. but to suggest that the way the refs called the game didn't hurt us more, is simply not paying attention

even Carino alluded to it.

 

[willisneverrana43]

24 fouls to 24, overall, and it was 24 for FSU and only 21 for RU until the last minute or so, when we started fouling. Just tired of people always complaining about the refs. They're not perfect in any game, but they were pretty even handed tonight - they were not a factor in the loss.

Now, that aside, we played pretty well tonight and were in this game against a very good team all the way to the end. If we could've made a couple more treys and not turned the ball over so much in the 2nd half, who knows. Tough game for Baker, but Corey, Freeman, and especially O picked up the slack with 20, 15, and a new career high of 22, respectively. Biggest issue to me was that we had almost no offense from the bigs tonight (3 points) which had been averaging 10 or so, combined. Excited for the rest of the season and we're going to beat a few teams nobody expects us to beat.

Yeah. Frankly, if anything, there were a good number of calls against FSU that were shaky.

 

[RUAEPI]

The refs definitely called the game close, but Geo needs to learn to move his feet and not use the body. I actually think that he underestimated their speed and it cost him early. I hope he watches this once and throws it away. Should be a good learning experience. This is his first loss, and he knows that he could have made more of a difference. I hope that is motivation for him!

 

[shields]

The Souf foul was terrible.

 

[wheezer]

they seemed to call a lot of contact fouls other reffing crews would not.

I do think, that with a couple of minutes to go in the game, a lot of calls went in our favor..... but overall, did not like the job they did.

 

[bethlehemfan]

The Souf foul was terrible.

That was a key call and particularly heinous. It gifted 3 points at the end of a key run in the game when walker was actually a little winded. Who knows if it would have mattered in the end but there is a difference between a questionable call and a flat out gift which is what that one was.

 

[koko2315]

24 fouls to 24, overall, and it was 24 for FSU and only 21 for RU until the last minute or so, when we started fouling. Just tired of people always complaining about the refs. They're not perfect in any game, but they were pretty even handed tonight - they were not a factor in the loss.

Now, that aside, we played pretty well tonight and were in this game against a very good team all the way to the end. If we could've made a couple more treys and not turned the ball over so much in the 2nd half, who knows. Tough game for Baker, but Corey, Freeman, and especially O picked up the slack with 20, 15, and a new career high of 22, respectively. Biggest issue to me was that we had almost no offense from the bigs tonight (3 points) which had been averaging 10 or so, combined. Excited for the rest of the season and we're going to beat a few teams nobody expects us to beat.

They were a factor in the loss. Three free points when they called Souf for fouling the three point shooter, which I don't believe he did. Critical spot in the game that gave them a lead they were able to keep.

Refs are gonna miss some. But I think the took the flow out of the game early. Even handed, sure. But nickel dimers early.

2 fouls on our primary ball handler at the 16:00 mark and fouling out with 3 min left. That hurt immensely.

 

[bac2therac]

Respectfully disagree #'s. Not accusing the refs that they're the reason why we lost however in the beginning of the first half - they called several ticky tack fouls that in essence knocked Baker and Dourcore out of the game for the 1st half and hence I thought Baker lost his agressiveness as the game progressed due to foul issues. Further the foul call on Souf on the 3 pointer was atrocious as was the non call on Freeman during the first half when he got blatantly pushed.

Refs always will "even out" fouls as they never stop looking at the scoreboard for the foul situation "score" but I felt we lost 2 pivotal pieces at the onset of the game by the refs being ticky tacky and not assessing the tone or mode of the game situation.

it might have been ticky tack but those guys may have been overaggressive a bit

refs killed us tonight. geo in foul trouble early. that hurt.

they kept allowing their guards to place a hand on our guards hip, clearly impeding progress. BUT, they nailed us for it a few times (see above on Geo) B. Knight was going bananas on the sideline. so was I.

their #2 baited the same ref not once, but twice. not touched either time. LITERALLY. and both times laughed that he got the ref. 5 points right there.

you can't look at the total fouls. you have to look at the timing of the fouls.

Look, FSU was the better team, and in all fairness, they deserved to win tonight. but to suggest that the way the refs called the game didn't hurt us more, is simply not paying attention

even Carino alluded to it.

ah didnt we go through this last year. Yes timing was bad on a couple but the same could be said for FSU which got a bunch of them in the 2nd half when RU went ahead and their best player coming into the game got his 4th. These things sort of cancel each other out. You notice when it effects RU but do not notice when it effects FSU which went from a 5 pt lead to 4 point defecit.

I agree the refs were bad because they kept interrupting the flow of the game especially the first half but objectively they were calling it tight pretty much both ways. Yes Souf foul was bad but I recall a phantom foul they called on FSU with Foreman. Baker and Doucoure as frosh have to understand how the game is being called.

 

[RU848789]

Yeah. Frankly, if anything, there were a good number of calls against FSU that were shaky.

Exactly - announcers clearly thought there were more questionable calls against FSU than RU. I thought it was fairly even with regard to borderline fouls and I agree with others who said it was whistled too tight, which hurt the flow of the game, but some crews are stricter than others and players need to factor that in. It's also silly that people are complaining about Geo getting quick fouls, but not the fact that FSU had 3 guys with 4 fouls with plenty of time left on the clock.

 

[rudad02]

If that dark haired is who I think he is, he always screws us.

 

[lester19]

Early in the game I got the feeling that they were ACC refs because of the ticky-tak fouls that were being called (Finesse league vs. a power league). Later I figured that regardless of where they usually ref, they were terrible. How many times do you have to go to the video to check your call?? How do you miss the fact that a shot clanked off the rim without the shot clock resetting? One ref might miss the call, but all three? The game went two and a half hours long. They completely destroyed the flow of the game.

 

[willisneverrana43]

It's funny how this thread has just naturally turned into, for the most part, a thread about the way the refs screwed RU. There will never be a game in which many fans don't believe that.

 

[RUonBrain]

I actually thought RU got the majority of the calls.

And the refs made so many phantom calls on both teams.
I hate college basketball referees.
The only thing worse is the refs at the women's games.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

I am so sick of people saying that because the fouls were even, the refs were fair. That's only true if both teams committed the same number of fouls. What usually happens in these games is one team fouls more, and the refs feel the need to call ticky tack fouls on the other team to even it out. It happens all the time. It will usually be two consecutive quick fouls to even it up.

In addition, the timing of fouls is insanely important. We seem to get more than our fair share of ticky tack fouls at critical moments that are total momentum killers.

At the end of the day, its the nature of the sport to some extent. Its a contact sport that pretends to be a non-contact sport. There are technically multiple fouls on every play. But everyone know how it feels in game, and it sure feels like the refs do us no favors. Although when you have been as bad as we have for as long as we have, I guess you have to expect that. Who the refs think is the better team that should win is always going to drive their perception of different plays.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Like this post above, which starts out saying that the refs are neutrally incompetent, with a practice of keeping the number of fouls even on both teams, even if one team is actually fouling more. But then the posts devolves into a story about how the refs actually DO call more fouls against RU, stating that they choose to do it at "critical moments." Even later, the post says that "it sure FEELS like the refs do us no favors," suggesting that the poster understands that it might be in fans' heads, but then once again devolves into another statement that the refs are ACTUALLY calling more fouls against RU because they perceive RU to be the worse team.

Woe is RU. Just to think. It wasn't just Higgins. It's all of them.

 

[SirScarlet]

Like this post above, which starts out saying that the refs are neutrally incompetent, with a practice of keeping the number of fouls even on both teams, even if one team is actually fouling more. But then the posts devolves into a story about how the refs actually DO call more fouls against RU, stating that they choose to do it at "critical moments." Even later, the post says that "it sure FEELS like the refs do us no favors," suggesting that the poster understands that it might be in fans' heads, but then once again devolves into another statement that the refs are ACTUALLY calling more fouls against RU because they perceive RU to be the worse team.

Woe is RU. Just to think. It wasn't just Higgins. It's all of them.

willis - I know you weren't referring to my post just now (but perhaps above you were)...i stated above that I thought FSU was the better team and deserved to win

I also stated that while the total fouls were even, I thought the refs called things differently in that they let their guards play more physically while calling "ticky tack" fouls on us (Carino's words...hardly a homer). Specifically, they allowed their guards to put a hand on our guards hip (FSU was intentionally doing this)...which we were not able to do. Did that cause us to lose? I dont think so. But it didn't help. And B. Knight - who I have rarely seen work the refs - was livid with the ref crew. Livid. I think that lends credence to my points.

I also believe that as we get better, we will get more of these calls. so I am cool with it.

 

[Ole Cabbagehead]

Like this post above, which starts out saying that the refs are neutrally incompetent, with a practice of keeping the number of fouls even on both teams, even if one team is actually fouling more. But then the posts devolves into a story about how the refs actually DO call more fouls against RU, stating that they choose to do it at "critical moments." Even later, the post says that "it sure FEELS like the refs do us no favors," suggesting that the poster understands that it might be in fans' heads, but then once again devolves into another statement that the refs are ACTUALLY calling more fouls against RU because they perceive RU to be the worse team.

Woe is RU. Just to think. It wasn't just Higgins. It's all of them.

Did you feel like this weird narrative of my post was intelligent when you wrote it, because you used the word "devolves" too many times?

I will restate it more simply for you, so hopefully it is easier to understand, and doesn't require you to attempt to work through it aloud. If you think there is no bias in reffing, you are insane.

 

[willisneverrana43]

No reason to restate. Understood fully the first time.