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From today's Richmond Times-Dispatch, after Mark Richt commits to Miami ... looks like UVa discounts the ability to recruit locally (Virginia).

"The loss of Richt to Miami, and the reports of Notre Dame offensive coordinator Mike Sanford Jr. telling recruits he's staying in South Bend, will force the Cavaliers to quickly refocus their search. Potential targets include Jeff Brohm of Western Kentucky, Troy Calhoun of Air Force, Ken Niumatalolo of Navy and Oklahoma offensive coordinator Lincoln Riley."

Brohm is interesting ... his background includes playing both football and baseball professionally. Coached under Petrino, Schnellenberger, and Zook.
 
I heard a couple weeks ago that Brohm would've been a candidate had Julie been making the call due to their Lville ties
 
knightinaz said:
I heard a couple weeks ago that Brohm would've been a candidate had Julie been making the call due to their Lville ties
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That's why we needed change there,loose lips sink ships.It's better this way,all kinds of speculation on who, what, where, but I bet no one can claim they heard for a fact, anything. This is the way it has to be,the AD is a smart cookie.
 
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Was expecting to see Schiano listed. Hard to believe nobody seems interested in him. Either he is toxic or things happening behind the scenes.
 
It might be too much for the blueblood UVa sports overlords to have two Wahoos (Littlepage, Schiano) who are Rutgers expatriates.
 
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B0ski said:
Was expecting to see Schiano listed. Hard to believe nobody seems interested in him. Either he is toxic or things happening behind the scenes.
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I think many Rutgers folks tend to inflate his coaching ability in a way that others around the country do not. He made his name on making a terrible program into something respectable, and that isn't easy, to be sure. But I was surprised to find out yesterday that after 2006, which we'd consider his professional apex, he was just 16-19 in Big East games over his last five seasons at Rutgers. That's not good.
 
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ruready4somefootball said:
That's why we needed change there,loose lips sink ships.It's better this way,all kinds of speculation on who, what, where, but I bet no one can claim they heard for a fact, anything. This is the way it has to be,the AD is a smart cookie.
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I don't claim to be an insider or have sources. 2 people who I spoke with in the Audi Club said that Julie knew him from their days at Louisville and he would be on her short list of candidates.

I agree that the leaks coming from the Athletic Department needed to be stopped & thus far Hobbs is certainly controlling the flow of info.
 
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B0ski said:
Was expecting to see Schiano listed. Hard to believe nobody seems interested in him. Either he is toxic or things happening behind the scenes.
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Or he wasn't a very good coach. Never won a BE championship in the 10 years here. Flamed out in the NFL. Out of coaching now for a couple of years.
 
SHUSource said:
I think many Rutgers folks tend to inflate his coaching ability in a way that others around the country do not. He made his name on making a terrible program into something respectable, and that isn't easy, to be sure. But I was surprised to find out yesterday that after 2006, which we'd consider his professional apex, he was just 16-19 in Big East games over his last five seasons at Rutgers. That's not good.
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you are going to get yelled at for this!
 
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you are going to get yelled at for this!
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I'm serious that I was surprised to learn that. I knew the post-2006 record wasn't flashy, but I never suspected it was sub-.500.

I really do believe that it took a special job to build that program up from where it was in the late '90s to what it was by 2006, but I'm shocked at his inability to capitalize on that. It's a pretty damning indictment of his coaching.
 
Schiano mistake was staying with the Pro Set Offense. We are considering two candidates, Golden and Mario that will stay with the pro set offense. Great at least with Schiano we had a great defense.
 
vkj91 said:
you are going to get yelled at for this!
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No....i think its pretty good considering he just cleaned house a few yrs prior and practically started from scratch...like he said...we weren't gonna built our house on stilts but a solid foundation and the patience paid off...edit....sorry..i read it wrong...i thought you meant pre ''06'' BE record..
 
SHUSource said:
I think many Rutgers folks tend to inflate his coaching ability in a way that others around the country do not. He made his name on making a terrible program into something respectable, and that isn't easy, to be sure. But I was surprised to find out yesterday that after 2006, which we'd consider his professional apex, he was just 16-19 in Big East games over his last five seasons at Rutgers. That's not good.
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I know many at SHU were cowering when RU football was doing well (probably because they thought hoops would get a boost from it and puny SHU would be left behind) so quite logical that you would post your negative opinion here. Do you really think he would have been interviewed at USC (prime spot), considered for Miami, and offered the UCF job if he was only considered "good" by RU fans? For a multitude of reasons, it is hard to win at RU. He turned the program around and that is why he had attractive opportunities. You exclude 2006 for a reason. On the other hand, if I exclude 2010 (lost 6 straight after the LeGrand injury), the BE record since 2006 was 15-13, add 2006 and it was 20-15. That is very good for RU my little friend.
 
rick nieuheisel just stated on Sirius college football show that he will accept the Virginia job if it is offered to him.
 
patk89 said:
I know many at SHU were cowering when RU football was doing well (probably because they thought hoops would get a boost from it and puny SHU would be left behind) so quite logical that you would post your negative opinion here. Do you really think he would have been interviewed at USC (prime spot), considered for Miami, and offered the UCF job if he was only considered "good" by RU fans? For a multitude of reasons, it is hard to win at RU. He turned the program around and that is why he had attractive opportunities. You exclude 2006 for a reason. On the other hand, if I exclude 2010 (lost 6 straight after the LeGrand injury), the BE record since 2006 was 15-13, add 2006 and it was 20-15. That is very good for RU my little friend.
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Seriously?

Years and years ago, I used to fear the good-football, good-basketball correlation, but by 2006, I had long since figured out there was no such thing. There are too many examples across the country to maintain that concern.

But as to Schiano, that's some dizzying spin to put on his post-2006 record. And yes, I exclude 2006 for a reason: it was a successful year, and one that should have been the catalyst for more such seasons. But my whole point was that it was completely squandered; nothing came of it, as evidenced by his paltry 16-19 record in the league from that point on. The EL injury was tragic and emotionally catastrophic, but out of sincere respect for him, I'll not make it part of this argument.

Schiano is clearly is regarded for his ability to make something from absolute nothing - and again, his work in this regard at Rutgers was incredible - but the record shows that he's not necessarily the guy to take a team from good to great. Obviously, all those jobs he keeps missing out on speaks to that, too. He's had a long series of 0-1s at the interview table.
 
SHUSource said:
Seriously?

Years and years ago, I used to fear the good-football, good-basketball correlation, but by 2006, I had long since figured out there was no such thing. There are too many examples across the country to maintain that concern.

But as to Schiano, that's some dizzying spin to put on his post-2006 record. And yes, I exclude 2006 for a reason: it was a successful year, and one that should have been the catalyst for more such seasons. But my whole point was that it was completely squandered; nothing came of it, as evidenced by his paltry 16-19 record in the league from that point on. The EL injury was tragic and emotionally catastrophic, but out of sincere respect for him, I'll not make it part of this argument.

Schiano is clearly is regarded for his ability to make something from absolute nothing - and again, his work in this regard at Rutgers was incredible - but the record shows that he's not necessarily the guy to take a team from good to great. Obviously, all those jobs he keeps missing out on speaks to that, too. He's had a long series of 0-1s at the interview table.
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You don't want to make it part of the argument "out of respect" to EL? That made me chuckle and also shows that you are a dunce. You should work in politics. Recruiting got a bump from 2006, but kids are recruited over multiple years and most were well along by the time that season unfolded. No one expected the huge jump from 2005 to 2006. 2006 was clearly everything breaking right (except for a few plays against WVU). You would have to have a true lack of understanding of college football to think one huge season will result in those results being duplicated year after year. Stick to hoops but something tells me that is also beyond your capacities.
 
Greg would not go to UVA over Rutgers this is not hard to understand.
 
GS really only parlayed that 2006 success into 1 good recruiting class, 2009. But he ruined the offense hiring ciarrocca which pushed Savage out of town. That 2009 class still should've brought home a big east title in 2012 but Bridgewater ripped that away from us.
 
Brohm 's offense is fun to watch. WKU plays Southen Miss (Todd Monken) on Saturday at 12:00. There could be 100 points scored.
 
StyleKnight said:
GS really only parlayed that 2006 success into 1 good recruiting class, 2009. But he ruined the offense hiring ciarrocca which pushed Savage out of town. That 2009 class still should've brought home a big east title in 2012 but Bridgewater ripped that away from us.
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The 2012 class was ranked about 25, w Hamilton, Carroo , Longa , Muller , Denman etc. He left a few days before signing day, but it was his class.
 
You cant exclude 2010 because of EL. We lost to Tulane before that, barely beat FIU, and we were losing to ARMY when he went down. That was a bad season if EL is never injured.

In short - after 2006 the guy had a worse Big East record than Edsall.
 
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The 2012 class was ranked about 25, w Hamilton, Carroo , Longa , Muller , Denman etc. He left a few days before signing day, but it was his class.
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I'm aware of the 2012 class, but wouldn't attribute that class to his success in 06. Looking back I don't know why GS wasn't able to capitalize off of 06 more in recruiting. 2012 was more about Hafley, Angelichio, Fleck killing it.
 
patk89 said:
You don't want to make it part of the argument "out of respect" to EL? That made me chuckle and also shows that you are a dunce. You should work in politics. Recruiting got a bump from 2006, but kids are recruited over multiple years and most were well along by the time that season unfolded. No one expected the huge jump from 2005 to 2006. 2006 was clearly everything breaking right (except for a few plays against WVU). You would have to have a true lack of understanding of college football to think one huge season will result in those results being duplicated year after year. Stick to hoops but something tells me that is also beyond your capacities.
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OK, if you insist: my point on Eric LeGrand is that he himself doesn't make excuses, yet you'll use his injury as one for losing six straight games? That's insulting to him and his teammates.

There's no reason why 2006 shouldn't have happened - Schiano built the program up the right way and improved steadily from the depths of the league - yet you make it sound like a fluke. It wasn't. It was a very talented team with plenty of future NFL talent on the roster. But (and really, this isn't difficult for people who actually do understand college football to grasp) that's why his failure to capitalize on that success or build any kind of momentum following that year is head-scratching. Even taking a half step back the next year is perfectly reasonable - 11-2 seasons don't grow on trees - but to follow it up with losing conference records in three of the next five seasons is not good. That's pretty clear to see.

ADs evaluating Greg Schiano for head coaching jobs either see the coach who built a program that went from the very bottom to the top 10 in six seasons, or the one that was middling at best for the next five. Again: 16-19 in the Big East from 2007 through 2011. Taken as a whole, which is the way to approach it, it seems to show that the guy has a ceiling, and it's really not all that high. He's a specialist in building a program up from nothing, but he's not going to put you over the hump. And that seems to be the hitch in his ability to land a job.

Jeez...
 
I don't want any retreads, forget Schiano, Golden, I think if we don't go after Mullen than let's take someone from Urban Meyer's coaching tree. The guy is a winner, knows and identifies great assistant coaches, Ash sounds like a winner. I'll take Ash over Schiano, Golden but maybe give Mario a chance, working for Saban for 3yrs., you have to learn something? My 1st choice would be Ash from all the candidates that Im hearing, of course if we get Mullen, that's a no brainer.
 
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Why is UVA not looking at Al Golden? Golden and D'Onofrio would probably go back there if offered.
 
B0ski said:
Was expecting to see Schiano listed. Hard to believe nobody seems interested in him. Either he is toxic or things happening behind the scenes.
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Me too. Maybe he's been out of the game a bit too long and is getting stale in the eyes of these ADs. That's the flip side of of being content with sitting at home cashing Glazer's checks while cherry picking you next job.
 
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