Why is Golden Tarnished?

[carolina scarlet]

Read on the boards that he has, in the past, made comments in derogation of Rutgers. Admit that I wasn't aware of such. What has he said?
Raising this in my own mind since Schiano may not be interested in returning.
Understood that Golden's record at Miami is underwhelming. But he did well resurrecting Temple.

Positives seem to be that he is a good recruiter, is from and can sell New Jersey, and knows and recruited well Florida. With a good staff to aid his X's and O's why can't he be a good fit for Rutgers?

 

[TrueRU]

Read on the boards that he has, in the past, made comments in derogation of Rutgers. Admit that I wasn't aware of such. What has he said?
Raising this in my own mind since Schiano may not be interested in returning.
Understood that Golden's record at Miami is underwhelming. But he did well resurrecting Temple.

Positives seem to be that he is a good recruiter, is from and can sell New Jersey, and knows and recruited well Florida. With a good staff to aid his X's and O's why can't he be a good fit for Rutgers?

Kind of agree here. What exactly did Golden say about RU? The drawback I see with Golden is the defensive coach he has used with him. If he wants to come here, I guess we would want to be sure he has a solid staff. Does he have the connections to put together a big time coaching staff?

 

[BigBlockR]

It's not just one event with Golden. He's made several negative comments about RU over the years, but a lot of it has to do with some bad blood around the way he and D'onofrio handled their exit from RU to go work for Groh at UVA.

I think Golden is not so much tarnished as he is just generally a douche.

I hope he goes back to UVA and lingers in obscurity, and that D'Onofrio doesn't get within 50 miles of Rutgers Stadium.

 

[wildncrazyowl]

He is too loyal to Mark D'Onofrio his best friend and DC. He should have jettisoned him when he left Temple.

 

[S.B. Crumb]

 

[Dr. Potato]

Went 17 - 18 in the ACC at Miami in the weak Coastal division. With better talent and recruits than most other teams he played.

Why would you want that? Find a recruiting rock star type. Then get good OC and DC. Like Clemson did.

Or just get Diaco and help him hire some good recruiters.

 

[carolina scarlet]

He is too loyal to Mark D'Onofrio his best friend and DC. He should have jettisoned him when he left Temple.

Understand the D'Onofrio issues. Binder would stipulate no D'Onofrio. There are other DC's out there. Wasn't Diaco a DC at the Dome? I would think that Golden has enough connections to get an up and comer willing to butt heads with OSU, UM, MSU, etc. It would be a career maker!

 

[JMORC2003]

Since when is turning Temple from garbage to mediocre to good for one season an indication of greatness? Sometimes the pieces fall into place, and it's not like they were beating the elite of college football. See Flood's first year for example. I'd like to see someone with a record of sustained success.

 

[DHajekRC84]

At the end of the day...there is not a lot of difference here. We got pissed at Marrone for his comments (and he was more right than wrong), and Schiano didn't exactly leave with hugs and kisses.

Personally I could care less. I want to look forward and find the guy who is going to get us to the next level (from where GS left us, not where Flood took us).

Golden's record is still better than the rest both in terms of actual wins/losses and multiple programs (not just 1 or 1 year). And he may not have the swagger walking into a home that GS would have, but FAR better than MOST others on the list (save Richt).

However, I was just going to add that the bigger issue for me is the team just going 4-1 to finish the year AFTER he gets fired.

 

[RobertG]

Golden had very good ranked classes at Miami, but was unable to win and was fired. He failed at Miami. What would be the evidence to support that he would win at RU?

 

[jor22]

He is not a good coach. He is a 500 coach. If 6-6 seasons are the bar Rutgers wants to set well, then He is the Guy. This fallacy that he knocked it out of the box at Temple is just not true. He did admirably, Plateaued and then fell on his face. He doesn't like Rutgers and yes he would bring his equally inept buddy with him. Who also trashed Rutgers on his way out. He is as stubborn as Flood (D'onofrio) That is why the 200 fans left at Miami ponied up the money for banners. Don't walk away from him run away.

 

[Raritan83]

Golden had very good ranked classes at Miami, but was unable to win and was fired. He failed at Miami. What would be the evidence to support that he would win at RU?

What is the evidence anyone will win here? Golden is not my favorite but at our price point (or what I believe ours is despite the rhetoric) he would be a good get.

Yes, given rankings (which can be wrong mind you) he lost to teams at Miami with lesser classes. However, he was a successful coordinator at UVA and he turned around a Temple team that was threatening to shutdown the program. Two good things if you ask me.

Part of me feels he was a bad fit down in Miami. A guy from Central NJ who played at PSU and historically recruited the Northeast might not be the best for kids from Central Florida. Perhaps he will be able to connect to/get more out of kids from up here.

 

[carolina scarlet]

Golden had very good ranked classes at Miami, but was unable to win and was fired. He failed at Miami. What would be the evidence to support that he would win at RU?

If we had evidence that any of the possibles out there would be successful at Rutgers don't you think the choice would have already been made? There's no factual evidence; it's a projection.

Golden is a Northerner who attempted to bring back the program at a southern school with a pedigree. He knows and recruits Florida well. Those are facts. The projection is that a coach with a New Jersey and Florida background, who did well at a Northern school with limited resources, would be able to cobble together a solid staff, keep some of the Jersey kids home, and win.

The projection seems more reasonable than extrapolating the benefits of some of the other candidates out there.

 

[DHajekRC84]

He is not a good coach. He is a 500 coach. If 6-6 seasons are the bar Rutgers wants to set well, then He is the Guy. This fallacy that he knocked it out of the box at Temple is just not true. He did admirably, Plateaued and then fell on his face. He doesn't like Rutgers and yes he would bring his equally inept buddy with him. Who also trashed Rutgers on his way out. He is as stubborn as Flood (D'onofrio) That is why the 200 fans left at Miami ponied up the money for banners. Don't walk away from him run away.

Coaching Record
Year School G W L T Pct SRS SOS AP Pre AP High AP Post Bowl Notes
2006 Temple 12 1 11 0 .083 -17.90 -0.40
2007 Temple 12 4 8 0 .333 -14.76 -7.01
2008 Temple 12 5 7 0 .417 -3.38 -4.05
2009 Temple 13 9 4 0 .692 -2.36 -8.29 EagleBank Bowl-L
2010 Temple 12 8 4 0 .667 -3.39 -8.14
2011 Miami (FL) 12 6 6 0 .500 5.17 0.67
2012 Miami (FL) 12 7 5 0 .583 4.07 2.32
2013 Miami (FL) 13 9 4 0 .692 6.59 2.51 7 Russell Athletic Bowl-L
2014 Miami (FL) 13 6 7 0 .462 8.04 4.65 Independence Bowl-L
2015 Miami (FL) 7 4 3 0 .571 7.30 4.21
Overall 118 59 59 0 .500 -1.06 -1.35
Temple 61 27 34 0 .443 -8.36 -5.58
Miami (FL) 57 32 25 0 .561 6.23 2.87

here are the facts.

 

[Abro1975]

Hope we make Mullen an offer he can't refuse.

 

[RU62]

Jor...the negative Rutgers comments by Golden...show me or are they hearsay on your part. Donofrio is a different story and one has to think Golden would not bring him here if hired nor would he be welcomed by fans and/or even those who are influential or in charge.

 

[eceres]

What is the evidence anyone will win here? Golden is not my favorite but at our price point (or what I believe ours is despite the rhetoric) he would be a good get.

Yes, given rankings (which can be wrong mind you) he lost to teams at Miami with lesser classes. However, he was a successful coordinator at UVA and he turned around a Temple team that was threatening to shutdown the program. Two good things if you ask me.

Part of me feels he was a bad fit down in Miami. A guy from Central NJ who played at PSU and historically recruited the Northeast might not be the best for kids from Central Florida. Perhaps he will be able to connect to/get more out of kids from up here.

That would be an okay excuse if he had trouble recruiting. He was successful at recruiting, he failed to get the players playing at their recruiting level. We need a coach who can get us to play above our recruiting level (like Wisconsin / Michigan State). We need to win to get the top players to stay. We aren't going bring in a coach with enough charisma to convince the nj top 10 to skip Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama to play here.

 

[sodakboy93]

Read on the boards that he has, in the past, made comments in derogation of Rutgers. Admit that I wasn't aware of such. What has he said?
Raising this in my own mind since Schiano may not be interested in returning.
Understood that Golden's record at Miami is underwhelming. But he did well resurrecting Temple.

Positives seem to be that he is a good recruiter, is from and can sell New Jersey, and knows and recruited well Florida. With a good staff to aid his X's and O's why can't he be a good fit for Rutgers?

Did you watch Miami football the last couple of years?

 

[Raritan83]

That would be an okay excuse if he had trouble recruiting. He was successful at recruiting, he failed to get the players playing at their recruiting level. We need a coach who can get us to play above our recruiting level (like Wisconsin / Michigan State). We need to win to get the top players to stay. We aren't going bring in a coach with enough charisma to convince the nj top 10 to skip Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama to play here.

I disagree on the recruiting showing he wasn't able to connect. Miami still has that name factor. Kids down there still want to play for the U so it's a bit easier to get them there. Once on campus though you now need to connect to coach them up, motivate, etc. That, to me, is where the NE vs S. Fla comes in. Could be dead wrong just taking the optimistic view since I think he ends up here.

I do agree though that we won't be able to keep the NJ Top 10 home. That said, for four years now (besides Barnwell) we have gotten 0. If we can bring in 3 and then 4 along with solid kids outside the top 10 and from other areas, hopefully we win a little more thus making the pitch to come here easier.

 

[carolina scarlet]

I disagree on the recruiting showing he wasn't able to connect. Miami still has that name factor. Kids down there still want to play for the U so it's a bit easier to get them there. Once on campus though you now need to connect to coach them up, motivate, etc. That, to me, is where the NE vs S. Fla comes in. Could be dead wrong just taking the optimistic view since I think he ends up here.

I do agree though that we won't be able to keep the NJ Top 10 home. That said, for four years now (besides Barnwell) we have gotten 0. If we can bring in 3 and then 4 along with solid kids outside the top 10 and from other areas, hopefully we win a little more thus making the pitch to come here easier.

Only a projection or guesstimate as to how many Jersey boys stay home. I would think, however, that Golden has enough panache and NJ ties to attract some of our kids to attach to the program. After that, Golden seemed to keep the bad boys under control at Miami as he worked through the mess into which he walked. That gives me some assurance that he can retool our program and get it back on track.

Then it come down to the staff he is able to assemble.

 

[RobertG]

If we had evidence that any of the possibles out there would be successful at Rutgers don't you think the choice would have already been made? There's no factual evidence; it's a projection.

Golden is a Northerner who attempted to bring back the program at a southern school with a pedigree. He knows and recruits Florida well. Those are facts. The projection is that a coach with a New Jersey and Florida background, who did well at a Northern school with limited resources, would be able to cobble together a solid staff, keep some of the Jersey kids home, and win.

The projection seems more reasonable than extrapolating the benefits of some of the other candidates out there.

For a projection you need to point to some evidence. Golden couldn't win at Miami with good recruiting classes. But, you project that he will win here? Why?
If we assume that he can recruit as well here as he did in Miami, how does he win more games here than he did in Miami?

 

[kjb32812]

Well, this one's easy. Besides dressing and talking a little differently, he is James Franklin.

 

[PaKnight]

Did less with more at the U.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Don't want no retreads!

 

[Caliknight]

Understand the D'Onofrio issues. Binder would stipulate no D'Onofrio. There are other DC's out there. Wasn't Diaco a DC at the Dome? I would think that Golden has enough connections to get an up and comer willing to butt heads with OSU, UM, MSU, etc. It would be a career maker!

Did his offense impress you scoring 0 points the day before he was canned?

 

[Alamo Al]

Golden was located in one of the nation's talent hotbed and still couldn't win. Plus, RU would only be another stepping stone for him as he really would only look at this job as temporary employment.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Golden was located in one of the nation's talent hotbed and still couldn't win. Plus, RU would only be another stepping stone for him as he really would only look at this job as temporary employment.

Rutgers is going to be a stepping stone for anyone that comes here. We're just looking for the second stage booster rocket to get us closer to sustained orbit.

 

[ruwarrior]

Golden is a terrible head coach....and he wasn't even a good assistant coach He is only a recruiter, and brings nothing else to the table except negatives.

Read on the boards that he has, in the past, made comments in derogation of Rutgers. Admit that I wasn't aware of such. What has he said?
Raising this in my own mind since Schiano may not be interested in returning.
Understood that Golden's record at Miami is underwhelming. But he did well resurrecting Temple.

Positives seem to be that he is a good recruiter, is from and can sell New Jersey, and knows and recruited well Florida. With a good staff to aid his X's and O's why can't he be a good fit for Rutgers?

 

[AUcane]

I'll give you some reasons from a canes pov:

- very average gameplanner.
- intractable philosophy on defense - square peg round hole
- micromanaged his staff
- didn't understand how to recruit sofla talent
- beefed up his players unnecessarily to fit an antiquated plodding scheme that was slow to react
- teams consistently had mental mistakes
- evolved into a spin master/car salesman kind of guy
- always said "starts with me" but proceeded to throw players under the bus

I'll give him his due - he stuck it out through some tough times and is a tireless worker but I question where his work efforts were aimed at (his ridiculous infamous 300 page binder that's filled with newspaper clippings, quotes, rules on how to be gentlemen, etc).

 

[Son of Red]

He owns Miami's worst loss in their entire history. What else needs to be said?

 

[rucoe89]

I'll give you some reasons from a canes pov:

- very average gameplanner.
- intractable philosophy on defense - square peg round hole
- micromanaged his staff
- didn't understand how to recruit sofla talent
- beefed up his players unnecessarily to fit an antiquated plodding scheme that was slow to react
- teams consistently had mental mistakes
- evolved into a spin master/car salesman kind of guy
- always said "starts with me" but proceeded to throw players under the bus

I'll give him his due - he stuck it out through some tough times and is a tireless worker but I question where his work efforts were aimed at (his ridiculous infamous 300 page binder that's filled with newspaper clippings, quotes, rules on how to be gentlemen, etc).

Oh boy. If we hire him I really have to question why did we bother firing Flood.

 

[MikeR0102]

He had some nice years at Temple, but he never even won his division of the MAC. I'd like to see more from a lot of the potential candidates.

 

[Kbee3]

Rutgers is going to be a stepping stone for anyone that comes here. We're just looking for the second stage booster rocket to get us closer to sustained orbit.

Yeah like the stepping stone it was for Flood, Shea, Graber, Anderson.....even Burns.
The only coach here who used it as a stepping stone was Greg Schiano...and he stayed here ten years.
When are some of you going to realize how special GS was, that he is not coming back here, and that it's highly unlikely that the next RU coach will have anywhere near the impact that GS had on this program ?

 

[RUforlife]

He had some nice years at Temple, but he never even won his division of the MAC. I'd like to see more from a lot of the potential candidates.

He wasn't known as a great game day coach even at Temple. Also, his recruiting was helped by some assistant with the name of Matt Rhule, sound familiar. He was exposed at Miami and now we are going to hire him, why?

 

[DHajekRC84]

Yeah like the stepping stone it was for Flood, Shea, Graber, Anderson.....even Burns.
The only coach here who used it as a stepping stone was Greg Schiano...and he stayed here ten years.
When are some of you going to realize how special GS was, that he is not coming back here, and that it's highly unlikely that the next RU coach will have anywhere near the impact that GS had on this program ?

pardon me, but what are you talking about? Who is talking about history...I am talking about going forward and I never said a damn thing about Gary coming back here.
Exact why I said what I said. Nobody is staying here 10 years again.

Although I disagree with the impact statement. GS could lead by improving things 100% because it was so bad but if somebody else comes in and makes it 50% better it would still be significant because the start point is higher.

 

[rurichdog]

You can't discount a guy because you don't see him being around forever. You have to think in terms of a 5 year plan. Could he come here for 5 years, give us an influx of talent, win some games, and set us on a better path than we were on with Flood?

 

[bitnez]

Golden at RU seems a lot like Weis at Kansas....

 

[Finster Baby]

Please let it be Diaco over Golden.

 

[graystork]

He couldn't win the MAC. THE MAC!!!!

 

[rurichdog]

He owns Miami's worst loss in their entire history. What else needs to be said?

Greg Schiano holds 2 of the 3 worst RU losses since 1900, and he's a hot commodity this year.