OT: NEW EVERYTHING / ANYTHING COVID-19 THREAD

[bac2therac]

really? 40%? where is that...certainly not in NJ or anywhere around here

mask compliance is very high, stop saying it isnt. In fact Ive heard some so called experts say ooh cases are dropping because now people are double masking and being very compliant..its utter bullshit everyday they say something different.

Im old enough to remember how the experts and left wing media praised some European countries because of their mask mandates and strict adherence and now look at what happened

 

[RU-05]

This is, by far, the most common route of transmission. The "anti-mask" folks look at things like "mandates," which usually don't have any teeth, so compliance is poor (especially with ~40% of America ignoring mask use when not in public, at least) and often don't achieve great results, as meaning masks don't work. That's ludicrous. If mask compliance isn't very high, the numbers won't look great.

I don't know of a single documented transmission that occurred at our 5000 person site in Rahway (with maybe 2500 on site these days, due to COVID), where mask compliance is 100% - no mask and you're escorted off site. Most workplaces are nowhere near that strict especially in small businesses. I have several friends who fear infection every day at small companies where mask wearing is very haphazard and they've seen many get infected. It's really simple: if we had >95% mask compliance, we'd have far, far fewer cases and deaths.

Buddy of mine got it(pretty bad too) driving his asymptomatic daughter home from school down south.

She most likely got it from a maskless interaction while at school.

 

[bac2therac]

Notice NJ's starts in March while FL start in July.

Though I do find it interesting that NJ's death's show a more dramatic difference from early on compared to more recently. While the hospitalizations chart is not as dramatic. . Florida by comparison has seen similar deaths in the winter wave as it did in it's summer wave, so given they have hospitalized less in the winter I find it interesting on that front as well.

Also look at North Dokata's graph, or Louisiana's. Pretty different from NJ's.

thats what I said, each state got it at a different time, Florida was later to the party. Some states never got a first wave until the summer. Florida is also less strict, they cannot figure out why Shepard Smith and all the fear mongers creating panic about maskless grocery stores and super bowl celebration were wrong again

 

[RU-05]

really? 40%? where is that...certainly not in NJ or anywhere arounmask compliance is very high, stop saying it isnt. In fact Ive heard some so called experts say ooh cases are dropping because now people are double masking and being very compliant..its utter bullshit everyday they say something different.

Im old enough to remember how the experts and left wing media praised some European countries because of their mask mandates and strict adherence and now look at what happened

I think mask wearing in working (edit: maybe not all, but at least where the public is involved) environments is very high in NJ.

It's the social interactions where masks are not being worn where the spread is happening. I have been pretty guilty in this regards as well.

 

[RU-05]

thats what I said, each state got it at a different time, Florida was later to the party. Some states never got a first wave until the summer. Florida is also less strict, they cannot figure out why Shepard Smith and all the fear mongers creating panic about maskless grocery stores and super bowl celebration were wrong again

So if everyone has different timelines then why are you saying the graphs look alike?

 

[bac2therac]

thats what I said, each state got it at a different time, Florida was later to the party. Some states never got a first wave until the summer. Florida is also less strict, they cannot figure out why Shepard Smith and all the fear mongers creating panic about maskless grocery stores and super bowl celebration were wrong again

 

[bac2therac]

So if everyone has different timelines then why are you saying the graphs look alike?

because eventually they do with the ups and down...really odd you can not understand that

 

[bac2therac]

I think mask wearing in working (edit: maybe not all, but at least where the public is involved) environments is very high in NJ.

It's the social interactions where masks are not being worn where the spread is happening. I have been pretty guilty in this regards as well.

and maybe there is nothing wrong with that...vaccinate those at risk, if you are at risk stay away from young people but otherwise everyone go about their lives using common sense precautions and social distancing at the top of the list

 

[RU-05]

because eventually they do with the ups and down...really odd you can not understand that

Did you think one state was going to continuously move upwards without ever trending downwards?

Ya states spike, people tighten up, change their behavior, non mask states like Iowa, or Utah, implement mandates, and then cases trend down.

Does that mean NJ's graph looks like North Dakota's? No.

 

[RU-05]

and maybe there is nothing wrong with that...vaccinate those at risk, if you are at risk stay away from young people but otherwise everyone go about their lives using common sense precautions and social distancing at the top of the list

As long as we agree masks are important in public indoor settings then sure.

 

[RU848789]

remember the swine flu vaccine

The Long Shadow of the 1976 Swine Flu Vaccine 'Fiasco'

Some, but not all, of the hesitance to embrace vaccines can be traced back to this event more than 40 years ago

www.smithsonianmag.com

You criticize people for fear-mongering and this is the worst kind of fear-mongering. 1976 was 45 years ago and vaccine technology has made huge advances since then. The incidence of GBS (Guillian Barre Syndrome) was elevated during the Swine Flu epidemic in 1976, but that's the only time that has happened, as all subseuent influenza vaccines have not seen more than rare GBS incidents (<1 in 1MM).

And for COVID, not a single documented case of GBS has been observed in the clinical trials with over 100K patients - and since that is usually seen within 2-3 weeks of vaccination in those rare cases it occurs, we can safely say it's not a risk for COVID.

 

[bac2therac]

As long as we agree masks are important in public indoor settings then sure.

I wear a mask everywhere where I am required and I do it because its required and not to signal to others I care about people

 

[LETSGORU91]

The reality is almost every state follows the same trajectory..masks or no masks

Except for California which follows its own disastrous shit show of increasing cases while strict mask mandate and lockdown everything

Once again, North Dakota versus South Dakota was a great example of the effectiveness of masks. ND higher rates of positive cases versus SD and then ND mandates masks. Shortly thereafter ND's rates drip below SD and as of a week or so (I havent looked lately) remained below SD's rates. Since the mask mandate, ND rates in reduction of cases has consistently been higher than that of SD.

English please.. ”I have no idea if people arent meeting groups”.?

question what is protecting the medical profession? Why are 5hey getting it in droves?

Hey! That's my line for bac!!!

Early on? I didnt realize that vaccines were abailable to medical professionals from March to December.? Describe full PPE please? Pretty simple full ppe is masks...N95

That's incorrect. N95 (or respirator mask) AND gloves, gown, faceshield/goggles is full PPE.

 

[bac2therac]

You criticize people for fear-mongering and this is the worst kind of fear-mongering. 1976 was 45 years ago and vaccine technology has made huge advances since then. The incidence of GBS (Guillian Barre Syndrome) was elevated during the Swine Flu epidemic in 1976, but that's the only time that has happened, as all subseuent influenza vaccines have not seen more than rare GBS incidents (<1 in 1MM).

And for COVID, not a single documented case of GBS has been observed in the clinical trials with over 100K patients - and since that is usually seen within 2-3 weeks of vaccination in those rare cases it occurs, we can safely say it's not a risk for COVID.

and yet have died following the vaccine, accelerating their deaths, not because of the vaccine but really interesting to find the differences on how covid finishing off people and a number of cases where the vaccine finished off people are looked at

 

[bac2therac]

Once again, North Dakota versus South Dakota was a great example of the effectiveness of masks. ND higher rates of positive cases versus SD and then ND mandates masks. Shortly thereafter ND's rates drip below SD and as of a week or so (I havent looked lately) remained below SD's rates. Since the mask mandate, ND rates in reduction of cases has consistently been higher than that of SD.



Hey! That's my line for bac!!!



That's incorrect. N95 (or respirator mask) AND gloves, gown, faceshield/goggles is full PPE.

yeah except is his post I am trying to figure out what english is 5hey

 

[LETSGORU91]

The reality is almost every state follows the same trajectory..masks or no masks

Except for California which follows its own disastrous shit show of increasing cases while strict mask mandate and lockdown everything

In reference to graphs, using the term "similar trajectories" is misleading. The trajectory shows general trends and the actual comparison of numbers from one to another is not taken into account. I will go to ND and SD, yet once again. Someone pointed out ND and SD parallel downward trajectories and that proved masks didnt work. I was quick to point out ND consistently remained below SD on the graph which indicated ND's rates were dropping faster than SD. SD had higher positive numbers and slower reduction of cases. These last two points were reversed in about two weeks after the ND mask mandate. Win for masks.

 

[RU-05]

I wear a mask everywhere where I am required and I do it because its required and not to signal to others I care about people

Why does it have to be some "signal"? I wear it at work because my job would be a breeding ground if we didn't.

 

[LETSGORU91]

yeah except is his post I am trying to figure out what english is 5hey

It's because of his big 5humb. 👍

 

[bac2therac]

In reference to graphs, using the term "similar trajectories" is misleading. The trajectory shows general trends and the actual comparison of numbers from one to another is not taken into account. I will go to ND and SD, yet once again. Someone pointed out ND and SD parallel downward trajectories and that proved masks didnt work. I was quick to point out ND consistently remained below SD on the graph which indicated ND's rates were dropping faster than SD. SD had higher positive numbers and slower reduction of cases. These last two points were reversed in about two weeks after the ND mask mandate. Win for masks.

and South Dakota almost no restrictions which mean of course you will have more spread.

 

[bac2therac]

Why does it have to be some "signal"? I wear it at work because my job would be a breeding ground if we didn't.

why? because its exactly how the left wing media and politicians and scientists have positioned it....morality.

 

[RU-05]

why? because its exactly how the left wing media and politicians and scientists have positioned it....morality.

You are way to fascinated by the left wing media.

 

[bac2therac]

well it makes up about 90% of the media so its hard to get away with, hard to escape the usually Sunday night panic porn from the ABC Sunday night news

 

[RU848789]

really? 40%? where is that...certainly not in NJ or anywhere around here

mask compliance is very high, stop saying it isnt. In fact Ive heard some so called experts say ooh cases are dropping because now people are double masking and being very compliant..its utter bullshit everyday they say something different.

Im old enough to remember how the experts and left wing media praised some European countries because of their mask mandates and strict adherence and now look at what happened

Try reading the whole post. I said mask compliance in public is very high around here, but we know it's far less in private, where most transmissions occur, since a very large percentage of Trump supporters have followed his lead and think masks are an intrusion on liberty - just look at this thread and the CE board threads. And it's far worse in red states, where, even in closed spaces in public, mask wearing is ignored.

 

[RU-05]

well it makes up about 90% of the media so its hard to get away with, hard to escape the usually Sunday night panic porn from the ABC Sunday night news

It's really not though.

 

[ArminRU]

If masks didn’t work you would see many more cases of spread where mask compliance is high such as airplanes, hair salons, etc.

 

[WhiteBus]

We where masks. We don't test everyday, but when I tested positive they all tested and came back negative.

My brother got it from a maskless interaction at his job.

How does he know that?? No one really knows where they absolutely get it. It could be from days ago or a few weeks ago.

 

[RU-05]

How does he know that?? No one really knows where they absolutely get it. It could be from days ago or a few weeks ago.

His coworker had it, they had a maskless interaction, and then my brother got it soon after. Is he 100% sure? No, but it's some pretty easy dot connecting.

 

[RU-05]

I find it amazing that we are still debating masks.

 

[bac2therac]

I find it amazing that we are still debating masks.

but are we debating double masks yet?

 

[RU-05]

but are we debating double masks yet?

No we weren't. Would you like to?

 

[bac2therac]

It's really not though.

what is not?

 

[bac2therac]

No we weren't. Would you like to?

sure

lets start with why it took over a year to come up with this idea...hmm wonder why, I thought they told us masking for 4-8 weeks would shut this virus down...I am old enough to remember Redfield picking up one solitary flimsy blue mask saying it was more effective than a vaccine..if only he grasped two or maybe even three his message would have got through

 

[RU-05]

what is not?

It's not hard to avoid the ABC sunday night news. I actually don't think I've ever watched it.

 

[bac2therac]

Try reading the whole post. I said mask compliance in public is very high around here, but we know it's far less in private, where most transmissions occur, since a very large percentage of Trump supporters have followed his lead and think masks are an intrusion on liberty - just look at this thread and the CE board threads. And it's far worse in red states, where, even in closed spaces in public, mask wearing is ignored.

why are you bringing Trump into this thread at all..very strange and very telling

also if you want to get into messaging do you want me to post Faucis video again...let me be clear he said

 

[bac2therac]

it could be abc or any other network but specifically they are bad on Sunday nights, thank god the lead guy left the network a few weeks ago

 

[bac2therac]

Try reading the whole post. I said mask compliance in public is very high around here, but we know it's far less in private, where most transmissions occur, since a very large percentage of Trump supporters have followed his lead and think masks are an intrusion on liberty - just look at this thread and the CE board threads. And it's far worse in red states, where, even in closed spaces in public, mask wearing is ignored.

tell me about Collier County, Tampa, and Tuscaloosa

 

[RU-05]

sure

lets start with why it took over a year to come up with this idea...hmm wonder why, I thought they told us masking for 4-8 weeks would shut this virus down...I am old enough to remember Redfield picking up one solitary flimsy blue mask saying it was more effective than a vaccine..if only he grasped two or maybe even three his message would have got through

I don't find that a sound starting point.

I'd say wearing 2 masks would likely be more effective, but not enough of a difference to make a mandate necessary. I'd also say, as evidenced by this thread, there would find too much public push back. It would also not stop the spread from maskless interactions, which is most likely the most common cause of spread.

 

[bac2therac]

 

[bac2therac]

I don't find that a sound starting point.

I'd say wearing 2 masks would likely be more effective, but not enough of a difference to make a mandate necessary. I'd also say, as evidenced by this thread, there would find too much public push back. It would also not stop the spread from maskless interactions, which is most likely the most common cause of spread.

if they truly believed they would have recommended it by the summer...but of course they needed a reason to explain why cases were still exploding despite mask mandates

if they do really believe it then how many lives did they kill by not saying this for a year

 

[RUBOB72]

If masks dont work why do doctors and first respinders wear them? Just curious.

I don't care how many times you repeat it, NO ONE KNOWS what can happen a year, five years down the road, so stop with the zero, anything! Pregnant women advised not to take it, how about the husbands? The jury is still out even on that basic human function.

I believe for years women have been advised to avoid vaccines during or if they are planning to start a family .