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OT: ttfp frat shut down for 3 years

I really don't understand the seriousness of this: I think we need to see those pictures in order to come to an informed opinion on this issue.
 
Lion8286 said:
Their charter is not given by the University, it's given by their national organization. You probably should do a little research before posting.
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Which the national would likely pull if the University banned them from campus, Most nation fraternities require that the fraternity be recognized by the university in order to continue to operate.
 
3 years basically means all the current members will be off campus. Most likely they will have to wait 4-5 years to come back. The reason that they were not permanently banned could be based on alumni giving to the school from that organization's alums.

Also, this type of violation does not seem as bad as a student dying or being hospitalized.

Then again the lawsuits may be just as large if the young ladies sue based on their images in compromising positions or not fully dressed being publicly distributed without their consent. Yes, the Facebook site is down but I am sure there are those out there who downloaded the pics and information along with them to sell to off shore pornographers (there was an SVU episode about this). Since many employers do google searches for perspective employees this can impact the young ladies ability to get hired down the road, especially if they pursue a public role in Government. Imagine if there were photos of Hillary Clinton from a scenario like this?
 
Lion8286 said:
Re-read my post. The school has nothing to do with either issuing or revoking a fraternity's charter.

I never said that a school couldn't shut the house down.
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You must be new here. One of the first rules of this board is, Don't get into a debate with 4Real--he's very smart and doesn't take kindly to stupidity, hints of it, or defensiveness. You're on the edge already. Let us pray...
 
RutgersRaRa said:
You must be new here. One of the first rules of this board is, Don't get into a debate with 4Real--he's very smart and doesn't take kindly to stupidity, hints of it, or defensiveness. You're on the edge already. Let us pray...
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If he is smart, he should have been smart enough to know the difference between shutting a house down and revoking a charter. Those are two different things controlled by two different entities.

National Organization = Issue/revoke charter
University = shut house down
 
The University and national fraternity work closely together. I'm sure Arnholt has all the presidents on speed dial.
 
not having belonged to a Greek organization I take responsibility for the errors of my original post... university shutting down the frat vs. national organization revoking the charter.

but, I still stand by my commentary that the SL would crucify Rutgers if this happened to us and all of the Rutgers Greek life would be closed for good.

and to RaRa's point.... you most certainly don't want to argue with 4Real....you'll never, ever win. he is one smart dude.
 
Lion8286 said:
If he is smart, he should have been smart enough to know the difference between shutting a house down and revoking a charter. Those are two different things controlled by two different entities.

National Organization = Issue/revoke charter
University = shut house down
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She's right - you're new here. We tend to value reading comprehension, even from PSU fans.

I never said anything about the school revoking their charter. I said the school could shut them down. As you pointed out, a charter is something administered by the national organization but at the end of the day it's a worthless artifact if the university should decide that the chapter in question is comprised of perverts and freaks.

I think that the point @MrsScrew was making is that for some reason the PSU administration has adopted their traditional "boys will be boys" stance, here, and done nothing.

That's probably an insufficient reaction, given Penn State's history of shenanigans.

Of course, in the interest of fairness, it should also be pointed out that Rutgers would undoubtedly go overboard under the same circumstances. Charges would be filed, trials would be held, "Oprah" appearances would be scheduled, buildings would be renamed...
 
RU4Real said:
I never said anything about the school revoking their charter. I said the school could shut them down. As you pointed out, a charter is something administered by the national organization but at the end of the day it's a worthless artifact if the university should decide that the chapter in question is comprised of perverts and freaks.
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RU cannot shut down a fraternity. There have always been chartered fraternities on campus that are not affiliated with the school. I believe ZBT did this for years.
 
RutgersUnion said:
RU cannot shut down a fraternity. There have always been chartered fraternities on campus that are not affiliated with the school. I believe ZBT did this for years.
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FIJI was the same when I was in school. School couldn't shut them down
 
When the school bars a fraternity from campus but they're still able to retain their property then it basically becomes just a house with some guys living in it, right?
 
RU4Real said:
I think that the point @MrsScrew was making is that for some reason the PSU administration has adopted their traditional "boys will be boys" stance, here, and done nothing.
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My reading comprehension might not be as good as yours, but the article I read said Penn State shut down the frat for at least 3 years. No?
 
Lion8286 said:
Their charter is not given by the University, it's given by their national organization. You probably should do a little research before posting.
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That's besides the point. The school's IFC handed down the punishment, not the national HQ. Charter or no charter, they will not be affiliated with PSU for three years. They could run as an underground fraternity, but if they ever want to be affiliated with their school again, that would not be a wise move. I believe national should revoke their charter for the time being and allow a new group to recolonize the organization.

I would like to know the Greek housing situation at PSU. Is it like Oklahoma where the school owns the property so they need to vacate it immediately? Or is it like RU where, although considered student housing, the Greek houses are owned by landlords and leased. There was a fraternity at RU that the university disaffiliated, but they were still able to operate because their alumni owned the house. But then somebody fell down their stairs at a party and sued so the alumni threw them out for 4 years and began to lease the house. Ironically, the fraternity that leased the house was suspended by the school, then shut down permanently by their national due to an underage member getting so drunk he needed to be hospitalized. That was one of the cases that contributed to Rutgers' spring party ban. It's like that house is cursed lol.
 
cjrugger said:
My reading comprehension might not be as good as yours, but the article I read said Penn State shut down the frat for at least 3 years. No?
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Your reading comprehension is fine. Some posters hatred of PSU is impairing their ability to read a simple article.
 
JerseyShoreKnight said:
That's besides the point. The school's IFC handed down the punishment, not the national HQ. Charter or no charter, they will not be affiliated with PSU for three years. They could run as an underground fraternity, but if they ever want to be affiliated with their school again, that would not be a wise move. I believe national should revoke their charter for the time being and allow a new group to recolonize the organization.

I would like to know the Greek housing situation at PSU. Is it like Oklahoma where the school owns the property so they need to vacate it immediately? Or is it like RU where, although considered student housing, the Greek houses are owned by landlords and leased. There was a fraternity at RU that the university disaffiliated, but they were still able to operate because their alumni owned the house. But then somebody fell down their stairs at a party and sued so the alumni threw them out for 4 years and began to lease the house. Ironically, the fraternity that leased the house was suspended by the school, then shut down permanently by their national due to an underage member getting so drunk he needed to be hospitalized. That was one of the cases that contributed to Rutgers' spring party ban. It's like that house is cursed lol.
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At Penn State the homes are privately owned. Either by a trust of the local chapter or by the National fraternity.
 
cjrugger said:
My reading comprehension might not be as good as yours, but the article I read said Penn State shut down the frat for at least 3 years. No?
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Lion8286 said:
Your reading comprehension is fine. Some posters hatred of PSU is impairing their ability to read a simple article.
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I think what the OP was looking for was recognition that the school shutting down the frat for 3 years for what amounts to a number of felonies isn't sufficient punishment.

My own question would be more along the lines of "what criminal charges have been filed?"

As for anyone's "hatred of PSU"... gee, I wonder why. Couldn't have anything to do with enabling a pedophile for decades, right? Nah... That can't be it.

Like I said - PSU not treating this incident in an extremely harsh manner in light of Recent Unpleasant Events just smacks of lunacy.
 
Jesus, who cares if shut down or disban or wtf it is...3 years punishment is not nearly enough but to 4reals point, gee, even the damn fraternity got punished worse then that FB team that enabled a pedophile. Lion- you do realize that 90% of America despises what happened there and lack of any sort of accountability or remorse.

BTW- I actually think PSU is a very good school and was proud to see my nephew graduate two weeks ago
 
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PSU_Nut said:
At Penn State the homes are privately owned. Either by a trust of the local chapter or by the National fraternity.
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I see. So it's more like Rutgers' situation and they'll still be able to still live in the house. Don't know if this happens at PSU, but our Greek houses are located so close to campus that they need to follow the same rules as dorms and you need to register the students that are living there, the events that are going to happen, etc. Probably leads to more infractions because more is known and seen by the administration. Our Greek system may make the news but its probably more controlled than any other school in the B1G lol. I believe that party ban was a precaution so nothing happened that would make national headlines. Dean Arnholt has a lot of control over the organizations. She even knows where the satellite houses are, when they're having illegal parties, and when they get ticketed. It's crazy.
 
MrsScrew said:
and if it were a Rutgers frat the star liar would have ripped us apart and all of the frats would have been shuttered immediately. How long before it gets reconsidered and they get their charter back??

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/2...-facebook-page-with-photos/?intcmp=latestnews
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RU4Real said:
I think what the OP was looking for was recognition that the school shutting down the frat for 3 years for what amounts to a number of felonies isn't sufficient punishment.

My own question would be more along the lines of "what criminal charges have been filed?"

As for anyone's "hatred of PSU"... gee, I wonder why. Couldn't have anything to do with enabling a pedophile for decades, right? Nah... That can't be it.

Like I said - PSU not treating this incident in an extremely harsh manner in light of Recent Unpleasant Events just smacks of lunacy.
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The state college police are still investigating. All we know is what suspected to find that was written in search warrant. The public has very little information beyond speculation what was contained in those pictures. The three year ban makes sense as long as part of the reinstatement is that none of the current members are not involved. The reason I support a punishment like this although I would have said 4 years is due to alumni. I never been in a frat but KDR has been at Penn State since 1920. Many have donated to the house to maintain it. They often come back and visit and have alumni gatherings. I don't think those people should necessary lose something forever if they were not involved.
 
JerseyShoreKnight said:
I see. So it's more like Rutgers' situation and they'll still be able to still live in the house. Don't know if this happens at PSU, but our Greek houses are located so close to campus that they need to follow the same rules as dorms and you need to register the students that are living there, the events that are going to happen, etc. Probably leads to more infractions because more is known and seen by the administration. Our Greek system may make the news but its probably more controlled than any other school in the B1G lol. I believe that party ban was a precaution so nothing happened that would make national headlines. Dean Arnholt has a lot of control over the organizations. She even knows where the satellite houses are, when they're having illegal parties, and when they get ticketed. It's crazy.
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It has nothing to do with proximity to campus. All greek organizations on campus need to follow certain rules. Thats why some greeks choose not to be affiliated.
 
yesrutgers01 said:
Jesus, who cares if shut down or disban or wtf it is...3 years punishment is not nearly enough but to 4reals point, gee, even the damn fraternity got punished worse then that FB team that enabled a pedophile. Lion- you do realize that 90% of America despises what happened there and lack of any sort of accountability or remorse.

BTW- I actually think PSU is a very good school and was proud to see my nephew graduate two weeks ago
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Should Rutgers as a university been shut down for bullying a student to commit suicide simply because they did not like his lifestyle? I say hold the one accountable who are responsible. Those responsible at Penn State are either dead, in jail, fired or facing criminal charges. The university and athletic department was penalized monetarily and image wise. None of the FB team members or fans had any part in Penn State's failure to protect the kids.
 
PSU_Nut said:
Should Rutgers as a university been shut down for bullying a student to commit suicide simply because they did not like his lifestyle?
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Cool story. Too bad that's not even remotely what happened.
 
Cool, we've got all the PSU Apologists infesting our board!
 
And, of course, when you can't refute what's be said against you, ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK!!!
 
yesrutgers01 said:
Jesus, who cares if shut down or disban or wtf it is...3 years punishment is not nearly enough but to 4reals point, gee, even the damn fraternity got punished worse then that FB team that enabled a pedophile. Lion- you do realize that 90% of America despises what happened there and lack of any sort of accountability or remorse.

BTW- I actually think PSU is a very good school and was proud to see my nephew graduate two weeks ago
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Some of you are funny. 92% of you don't make contributions to your own university, but probably more than 92% of you are obsessed with everything going on at a school in a neighboring state.

Whether it's our fraternities, our dance marathon, our choice of liquid fabric softener, etc. PSU consumes way too many on this board.
 
PSU_Nut said:
What did happen? Posting It on twitter was not bullying him? Dharun Ravi was convicted for nothing?
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Charges were filed for his actions and the accused Dharun Ravi withdrew from school before Rutgers expelled him , a disciplinary hearing was scheduled that would have given RU the legal grounds to expel him. Ravi chose to leave before being forced to..
When a piece of trash is forced to give up his Penn St affiliation we know what happens :
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Only a few at PSU stood up for what's right
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Lion8286 said:
Some of you are funny. 92% of you don't make contributions to your own university, but probably more than 92% of you are obsessed with everything going on at a school in a neighboring state.

Whether it's our fraternities, our dance marathon, our choice of liquid fabric softener, etc. PSU consumes way too many on this board.
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Says the moron that's posting obsessively on the football board of a school in a neighboring state.
 
Lion8286 said:
Some of you are funny. 92% of you don't make contributions to your own university, but probably more than 92% of you are obsessed with everything going on at a school in a neighboring state.
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ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK!!
 
Lion8286 said:
Some of you are funny. 92% of you don't make contributions to your own university, but probably more than 92% of you are obsessed with everything going on at a school in a neighboring state.

Whether it's our fraternities, our dance marathon, our choice of liquid fabric softener, etc. PSU consumes way too many on this board.
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Then go the F away dikbag
 
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