confirms what our eyeballs see. A combination of desire, length, health and lack of fatigue.
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confirms what our eyeballs see. A combination of desire, length, health and lack of fatigue.
Sagarin moved us up to #103 after last night's win, which is ahead of Iowa at #117 and just behind PA St at #95.
Kenpom still has us at #139, trailing Iowa at #87 and PA St at #99.
Just based on that, it seems kenpom is still weighting more toward last year than Sagarin is at this point.
Kenpom still has us at #139, trailing Iowa at #87 and PA St at #99.
Just based on that, it seems kenpom is still weighting more toward last year than Sagarin is at this point.
I'd really like to know this. I'll guess it is a gradual phase out that is complete in game 10. Keep in mind Malloy doesn't count by kenpom
You'd figure that both algorithms would include SOS in some way... perhaps kenpom weights it more than Sagarin does.
Though seeing Iowa #117 vs. Iowa #87 makes me think (4-5) Iowa's getting more credit for last year's (22-11) finish from kenpom than it is from Sagarin, too.
Yeah, again, Princeton is #59 in kenpom and #110 in Sagarin. Seems kenpom is giving them more credit for last year's 22-7 finish than Sagarin is.
Seems fairly consistent that kenpom is being influenced by last year more so than Sagarin is at this point.
82% of Princeton's minutes this year were from the minutes that were played last year. kenpom has said that is used in preseason when predicting how a team will do.
Interesting. So that bumps up a team like Princeton that returned a lot of guys but aren't doing so well so far, while it holds back a team like Rutgers that added a few experienced pieces (Johnson, Gettys, Sa) and got back minutes lost last year to injury (Freeman, Doorson, Laurent)
Wonder when that metric stops playing a part in his rankings.
russ wood said he thought 10 games...which for us would be 11 since molloy doesnt count
It is actually 73 days from the start of the season. This year that will be Janurary 23rd.
Source: KenPom's twitter
Have us at #119 after 7-1, not even updated to 9-1. People are taking notice.http://masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm
I think its just missing yesterday's game. They don't count the first game against a d2 team.
The top of the page says the rankings are as of 12/4, so it is missing our last two games (CC was 12/6, SB was 12/10)
We're a full 1/3 of the way into the season (man it's flying by?!) and we're still top-68 RPI at #57 today. Keep it up.
Big Ten right now, per massey...
13 - Indiana
14 - Wisconsin
18 - Purdue
30 - Maryland
34 - Northwestern
35 - MSU
42 - Michigan
43 - Minnesota
59 - OSU
68 - Illinois
76 - Nebraska
87 - Iowa
92 - Rutgers
114 - PA St
I think this is a pretty good representative of how the league shapes up, I would think MSU will move up over Northwestern and I think the spots from Illinois to Penn State are all interchangable. RU could finish as high as 10th if things shake out right taking the most optimistic viewpoint, it would take winning all those games against Illinois, Nebby, Iowa, and Penn St. The thing is that because all these schools are in the same boat, their fans are saying the same thing about their team chances.
#118 with an expected record of 17-14 according to kenpom
now favored in 2 B1G games...Nebraska and Penn State at home. maryland and Illinois we are at 47 and 48%.
now favored in 2 B1G games...Nebraska and Penn State at home. maryland and Illinois we are at 47 and 48%.
I tend to believe that most years Michigan State is going to be alright, but something about this year is a little different. Injuries or not Michigan State does not seem to have that mojo as usual. Teams are no longer afraid.
Ratings as of Today (12/19) at record of 11-1.....
Massey - 81
RPI - 96
Sagarin - 101 (not yet updated with RU still at 10-1)
Kenpom - 118
Massey - 81
RPI - 96
Sagarin - 101 (not yet updated with RU still at 10-1)
Kenpom - 118
Although we are rated last in the B1G by Sagarin (very close to Penn State and Nebraska), my expectations could not have been lower entering this season. Now I am keenly interested in the team and how they perform. This alone is worth a lot. But I find myself actually wondering if this team could somehow do enough to make the NCAAs. Amazing!!
Jeff Sagarin doesn't acknowledge the Molly game...he only counts games vs. Division I opponents.
