2nd Junior day today
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I had two players there today. Saying very good things.
The change I have seen, since the new staff took over, is that the kids are excited about Rutgers. Before that was no excitement. The kids wanted to be excited but there was none.
There is a real positive change happening right now.
The change I have seen, since the new staff took over, is that the kids are excited about Rutgers. Before that was no excitement. The kids wanted to be excited but there was none.
There is a real positive change happening right now.
I take it you are a HS coach. Pretty perceptive on my part huh? That's really great to hear.
Get ready to be shot down with the "they're only say that because that's what kids say when there's a new coach and they hear his plan" crowd.
That being said, THANK YOU, and GREAT to hear!
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Yes. I have coached at the hs level and college level for the past 15 years. I post from time to time here.
I am incredibly excited by what I'm hearing. I am drinking the Kool Aid and I think Ash will turn this around more quickly than I initially thought.
One word of caution, and I think most of us know this: I know one of the quoted recruit's parent, and while he speaks incredibly highly of RU, I also know a week ago he didn't think the new RU scheme in his side of the ball was a good fit, and was leaning towards another Big 10 school. Now of course, today's visit could have (and hopefully did) change his feelings, but it could also be some overly polite media talk.
One word of caution, and I think most of us know this: I know one of the quoted recruit's parent, and while he speaks incredibly highly of RU, I also know a week ago he didn't think the new RU scheme in his side of the ball was a good fit, and was leaning towards another Big 10 school. Now of course, today's visit could have (and hopefully did) change his feelings, but it could also be some overly polite media talk.
Thank you! Great to hear the excitement is there in the program and the kids are feeling it too
I guess going 1-0 this week kind of got old,lol. Who at this point,could still make an argument for keeping Flood?
I think that the culture is shifting. Is this going to translate to wins this season? I am not sure. The kids in the program, and around the state, seem to be buying into the culture shift. Hopefully this brings in more recruits and more effort on the field.
We won't know until we see, and changing the offense to a spread may be bumpy for a year or two, but when I think of all the opposing drives that couldn't be stopped because of poor tackling, I think that one change alone will make this team a lot more competitive.
Don't worry about "wins" this season. If we get 1 or 2 more than expected, great, but heap your expectations on other things and you'll get through the season a lot easier. We've got a long way to go but I'm 100% convinced Ash is the guy to get us there!
I don't know why expectations are so guarded,I see 6-6 and a bowl game as the bottom. We won 4 games last season with an inept coaching staff, and S/C program.
These comments at this stage of recruiting are similar to comments made during BOTH Schiano's and Flood's tenures as HC. The results on signing day didn't always fulfill the early enthusiasm. What's missing around here at the moment is the degree of skepticism that has existed for the last 15 years.
Will Ash produce different results than his 2 immediate predecesors? We'll see. I hope he puts together a Top 25 class.
Will Ash produce different results than his 2 immediate predecesors? We'll see. I hope he puts together a Top 25 class.
I'll tell you why:
- we lost by far-and-away our best weapon on O
- we lost by far-and-away our best OL
- we lost ALL 3 starting LB's from an already troubled D
- we have problems all over the field. Most position groups simply aren't that good let alone as good as some here want to think
- our schedule is VERY difficult
- we're installing new systems in all phases of the game
- our 4 wins came against, per Sagarin, Indiana (69), Army(140), Kansas (156), and Norfolk State (221). I'm willing to bet that not a team in the nation (FBS) beat (a combined) 4 worse teams. Gotta take that into account when saying "we won 4 games last year....)
...so it doesn't matter how good of a HC we might have, and whether or not he's going to turn things around here (he will...), 2016 is going to be a difficult season in the opinion of most, so I and many, many others, are going into this season looking for improvement on and off the field, excitement on and off the field, and hope for the future. Kyle Flood really messed this program up, due to 3 consecutive lousy recruiting classes - and a 4th that he left to Coach Ash - and it's very likely to hurt us again this year REGARDLESS of how well this staff can "coach up" so-to-speak.
Now hey IF we get to 6 wins I'll be the hap-hap-happiest guy in New Jersey, and will be preparing a bowl party in December, but odds are against it my friend.
Nuts, sometimes you can have addition by subtraction(the biggest being coaching). And, somehow I don't see a huge loss by ANY of the graduating players. The only exception is maybe at WR, but even then the whole Offense was shaped to getting him the ball. The loss of three LB's that were part of a D that couldn't stop anyone, is not something I'm going to really worry about. I like the speed, length and tenacity of LB's we currently have within the system. And, though they lack experience, my gut tells me that this coaching staff will get them ready.
At this point, I want to be optimistic. Time will tell.
At this point, I want to be optimistic. Time will tell.
If you think losing 3 starters at LB - 2 of them VERY experienced - isn't going to hurt this year, at that position, I really don't know what to tell you. It's not about who we have coming in, or here already, it's the fact that they have practically ZERO experience and aren't 4 or 5-star kids so, as you state, the staff will have to "get them ready" or "coach them up" and that typically doesn't happen overnight, let alone the 1st season out there, so I'm not counting on this group at all in 2016. It's gonna be a a tough year so let's just hope, as the season moves along, we see improvement, right?
The O? We'll see. Looking good against bad defenses, as a couple of our WR's and TE's did last year, is nice and all but they've got a long way to go IMHO. RB's have it, no doubt, and we'll see about the OL without Lumpkin.
I'm as excited about the FUTURE, under Ash as the next guy, but am keeping things tempered, for 2016, based on everything I wrote above. This staff has A LOT of work cut out for it Chrome.
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Granted - RU is "losing 3 starters at LB - 2 of them VERY experienced" - however they were mired in a dysfunctional situation and in no way were set up to deliver a total defense result comparable to their full potential.
... Now, while it is impossible to predict the future, there exists the possibility that the new staff, with a plan that has been forged out of National Championship caliber experience, may be able to draw strong consistent performances out of the dedicated & talented players that are now available to them.... strong & well focused - enough to be able to deliver net results that exceed the aggregate outcome of the highly uneven performances of last year.
They can be miracle workers, and I hope they are, but not taking into account the fact that these kids have no experience at this level is extremely short-sighted. How many times have these boards done the same, in the past, in every freakin' sport? Unless you're an elite-level kid it very, very rarely happens, when you step up, step in, and are either better or don't skip a beat. Now we're talking an entire UNIT here, remember, not just 1 kid. I'm hoping to see kids with motors, who don't stop, kids who play smart, and kids who improve as the year goes on, but to think they're going to be BETTER than a group that was incredibly experience - no matter how mismanaged - to me is just not being realistic.
Nuts, all good points,I can't argue with what you said. I guess I'm just hoping for something that hasn't happened since Greg. We out coach, and out game plan, a team with more talent than us. Greg did do it a couple of times, maybe not as much as people around here would have liked, but enough that bigger programs,{Michigan}, for one, and the NFL,{Tampa} the other went after him.
You're just going by the arse-kickings we received from some pretty good teams.
I hate to sound like RutgersAl, but we almost beat WSU, MSU, and Mary land. That would have made us 7-5 and bowl eligible....with no experience at quarterback or d-back. Beginning the season with the local authorities locking up a bunch of players....the fallout from which lasted all season IMO.
We really weren't that far from mediocre.
And if you think that the previous coaching staff wasn't all that and was replaced by a better group, why wouldn't there be reasons for optimism in regards to the 2016 season ? Just saying.
I hate to sound like RutgersAl, but we almost beat WSU, MSU, and Mary land. That would have made us 7-5 and bowl eligible....with no experience at quarterback or d-back. Beginning the season with the local authorities locking up a bunch of players....the fallout from which lasted all season IMO.
We really weren't that far from mediocre.
And if you think that the previous coaching staff wasn't all that and was replaced by a better group, why wouldn't there be reasons for optimism in regards to the 2016 season ? Just saying.
"almost"? Who cares about "almost'? We didn't win those games, period, and that's all that matters. We ALMOST lost to Army. We COULD HAVE lost to Kansas. Maryland was a HORRIBLE team last year and we lost to them. MSU? Yeah, we stayed with them, thanks to LC and a very young, and inexperienced, MSU secondary. MSU probably left 17 points on the field that night, too, let's not forget that so don't give me "close" and "almost" and "could have" stuff. We were nowhere close to being "mediocre," last season, and I can list about 30 team stat categories to prove it KBee.
Why? I've already explained why, above, you can read for yourself. It's not about THIS staff it's about what they inherited which, quality depth-wise, isn't much and is likely - LIKELY - to be an issue this season. I hope not - obviously - but I'm not going to fool myself into thinking or expecting Coach Ash to be a miracle worker, that's all. [thumb2][thumb2]
We're starting from scratch here, and honestly, outside of a few players like Grant and the running back trio, we just don't know what the ceiling is for many of these players. I'm sure we'll have a few pleasant surprises, but I think we're going to be seeing a lot of guys play a lot of minutes that in an ideal course of events would have been second team depth players getting good development time last year so they would be ready now.
It's blatantly obvious the prior staff did absolutely nothing with an eye to the future. Linebacker is Exhibit A in that regard. Especially after struggling with a blown up secondary from year 2 on, how they could let another defensive position group get into the same exact situation in just three years- I don't know. Words fail me.
If it takes three years, four years, I should still be alive to see it, so I'm cool with that. I won't be looking at the win/loss columns next year, except for Nov 19th...
It's blatantly obvious the prior staff did absolutely nothing with an eye to the future. Linebacker is Exhibit A in that regard. Especially after struggling with a blown up secondary from year 2 on, how they could let another defensive position group get into the same exact situation in just three years- I don't know. Words fail me.
If it takes three years, four years, I should still be alive to see it, so I'm cool with that. I won't be looking at the win/loss columns next year, except for Nov 19th...
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