8 Reasons Ash is Not on Hot Seat

[AreYouNUTS]

LOL @ Ash being "on the hot seat"!!!

Apparently some here have completely forget what his predecessor did to this program, BOTH ON AND OFF THE FIELD, and also forget that we weren't a "perennial top 25" program to begin with for crying out loud.

IMHO there are 3 types of fans who think Ash in on the "hot seat:"

- the guy who thought we had the "talent" (suddenly) to win 6 games and feels this is no longer Flood's fault and are just baffled by what's going on right now

- the guy who doesn't like Ash, hasn't liked him from Day 1, and can't wait to see him fired

- thought that Greg should be canned after game 2 of season 2

That's all! [cheers]

 

[RU-05]

2-9 (coming off a 9-2-1 record with the prior coach and a #20 ranking)
3-8
6-4-1
6-5
5-6
2-8-1

Those were the first 6 years for Frank Beamer at Va Tech and there were losses that i'm sure caused outrage among their fans (including 50-49 to RU in 1992). He then won 9, 8, 10 and 10 the next 4 years and built a powerhouse program that made a bowl 23 straight years.

Absent players getting in trouble repeatedly (Flood's issue), Ash should absolutely have 5-yrs to show he can do a good job. I have no idea if he'll be a great, good or bad coach, but to judge him in based on last week in year 2 is very, very premature.

That's a pretty interesting one. I don't know what led to that drop off in his first year, but I'm sure people were wondering if he was the guy after 2. Then showed some improvement, but I prob would have canned his ass after year 6.

 

[RU-05]

LOL @ Ash being "on the hot seat"!!!

Apparently some here have completely forget what his predecessor did to this program, BOTH ON AND OFF THE FIELD, and also forget that we weren't a "perennial top 25" program to begin with for crying out loud.

IMHO there are 3 types of fans who think Ash in on the "hot seat:"

- the guy who thought we had the "talent" (suddenly) to win 6 games and feels this is no longer Flood's fault and are just baffled by what's going on right now

- the guy who doesn't like Ash, hasn't liked him from Day 1, and can't wait to see him fired

- thought that Greg should be canned after game 2 of season 2

That's all! [cheers]

count me in on that first group.

http://www.scout.com/Season/2017-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite

RU ranked 51.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

"Head coach Chris Ash shows little aggressiveness in handling his offense, and the Scarlet Knights struggle to make any splash plays. Ball control isn't going to always cut it, and Rutgers doesn't seem to have a second gear."

This.

They probably copy and pasted that from an article written about Schiano in 2002.

 

[BlockR]

LOL @ Ash being "on the hot seat"!!!

Apparently some here have completely forget what his predecessor did to this program, BOTH ON AND OFF THE FIELD, and also forget that we weren't a "perennial top 25" program to begin with for crying out loud.

IMHO there are 3 types of fans who think Ash in on the "hot seat:"

- the guy who thought we had the "talent" (suddenly) to win 6 games and feels this is no longer Flood's fault and are just baffled by what's going on right now

- the guy who doesn't like Ash, hasn't liked him from Day 1, and can't wait to see him fired

- thought that Greg should be canned after game 2 of season 2

That's all! [cheers]

Im sorry..what? Right now we just lost to a low level Mac team that had lost 58 straight games to power five schools.Currently Rutgers holds the longest FBS losing streak at 11 games.
Greg Schiano took over as head coach after Shea's termination.[45] Despite some early recruiting successes, his first four years resulted in losing seasons.[46][47][48][49]However, in 2005, the team achieved its first winning season since Graber's 7-win, 4-loss campaign in 1992, notching a rematch bowl berth against Arizona State in the 2005 Insight Bowl.[50] In that game, Rutgers lost in a shootout 45–40 but was led by a 100-yard rushing performance from a young freshman running back named Ray Rice.[51]

In 2006, Rutgers began the season with nine straight wins, culminating in a momentous 25-point comeback victory against the 3rd-ranked Louisville Cardinals in what became known as the "Pandemonium In Piscataway" game, with kicker Jeremy Ito sealing the 28-25 win with a late field goal.[52] The following week, Rutgers rose to its highest rank ever in the polls, topping out at No. 3 in the AP Poll and No. 6 in the BCS. The Scarlet Knights achieved a record of 11–2 and a postseason rank of No. 12 in the AP Poll, including a postseason victory, beating Kansas State 37-10 in the Texas Bowl.[53][54]

The following year, Rutgers received its first ever preseason rank in the AP Poll at No. 16. 2007 was an up-and-down year for the Scarlet Knights, rising into the Top 10 for the second consecutive year, only to suffer back-to-back losses.[55] However, the season was highlighted by a 30-27 upset of 2nd-ranked South Florida, and ended with an 8-5 record and a 52-30 drubbing of Ball State in the International Bowl.[55][56]

2008 saw Rutgers again go 8-5,[57] beginning the year with a disappointing 1-5 start before ripping off seven straight victories to finish the season, winning the PapaJohn's.com Bowl 29-23 over NC State.[58]

In 2009, Rutgers entered the season the favorite to win the Big East Conference. However, the team opened the season with a loss to Cincinnati, who would end up with a perfect regular season and the conference title. Rutgers finished the season with a 9-4 record,[59] defeating UCF 45-24 in the St. Petersburg Bowl.[60]

Rutgers' streak of five consecutive bowl appearances ended in 2010, a year marred by a spinal cord injury suffered by defensive lineman Eric LeGrand in the sixth game of the season against Army.[61] Rutgers lost its final six games to finish with a record of 4-8.[62]

 

[AreYouNUTS]

count me in on that first group.

http://www.scout.com/Season/2017-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite

RU ranked 51.

Seriously? THAT is what you're going by? Have you not been around here to see the upper classes decimated their first couple of years under Flood, hence, us having to fill up the depth chart with some very, very young kids, 5th years, et al? LOL Com'on man.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Im sorry..what?
Greg Schiano took over as head coach after Shea's termination.[45] Despite some early recruiting successes, his first four years resulted in losing seasons.[46][47][48][49]However, in 2005, the team achieved its first winning season since Graber's 7-win, 4-loss campaign in 1992, notching a rematch bowl berth against Arizona State in the 2005 Insight Bowl.[50] In that game, Rutgers lost in a shootout 45–40 but was led by a 100-yard rushing performance from a young freshman running back named Ray Rice.[51]

In 2006, Rutgers began the season with nine straight wins, culminating in a momentous 25-point comeback victory against the 3rd-ranked Louisville Cardinals in what became known as the "Pandemonium In Piscataway" game, with kicker Jeremy Ito sealing the 28-25 win with a late field goal.[52] The following week, Rutgers rose to its highest rank ever in the polls, topping out at No. 3 in the AP Poll and No. 6 in the BCS. The Scarlet Knights achieved a record of 11–2 and a postseason rank of No. 12 in the AP Poll, including a postseason victory, beating Kansas State 37-10 in the Texas Bowl.[53][54]

The following year, Rutgers received its first ever preseason rank in the AP Poll at No. 16. 2007 was an up-and-down year for the Scarlet Knights, rising into the Top 10 for the second consecutive year, only to suffer back-to-back losses.[55] However, the season was highlighted by a 30-27 upset of 2nd-ranked South Florida, and ended with an 8-5 record and a 52-30 drubbing of Ball State in the International Bowl.[55][56]

2008 saw Rutgers again go 8-5,[57] beginning the year with a disappointing 1-5 start before ripping off seven straight victories to finish the season, winning the PapaJohn's.com Bowl 29-23 over NC State.[58]

In 2009, Rutgers entered the season the favorite to win the Big East Conference. However, the team opened the season with a loss to Cincinnati, who would end up with a perfect regular season and the conference title. Rutgers finished the season with a 9-4 record,[59] defeating UCF 45-24 in the St. Petersburg Bowl.[60]

Rutgers' streak of five consecutive bowl appearances ended in 2010, a year marred by a spinal cord injury suffered by defensive lineman Eric LeGrand in the sixth game of the season against Army.[61] Rutgers lost its final six games to finish with a record of 4-8.[62]

I'm sorry what does ALL of that have to do with Ash and Greg's SECOND SEASONS??

hint: NOTHING

My comment was regarding his 2002 and 2nd season, and the slew of fans/pundits/etc, who had Schiano on the "hot seat," like they do with Ash now. I thought that was pretty obvious, no?

BTW - I was here for ALL of that, no need to copy-paste Greg's bio, lol! [cheers]

 

[ru66]

geez--no one really knows what's in store for RU this season or even if EMU won't win the MAC or how we stack up with some on the schedule down the road , yet the naysayers feel the need to assume /predict the worst for ash and RU--so easy to bitch

 

[RU-05]

Seriously? THAT is what you're going by? Have you not been around here to see the upper classes decimated their first couple of years under Flood, hence, us having to fill up the depth chart with some very, very young kids, 5th years, et al? LOL Com'on man.

So what if we have 5th year guys. Do they not count? Do we not count Washington too for some reason?

This team has talent. Not OSU talent, certainly enough that we should not be losing to EMU at home.

Still early in the season, so I think we can turn it around to some extent, we have enough talent that we should win 3-4 games, and I will believe that even if we win 1.

 

[RU-05]

geez--no one really knows what's in store for RU this season or even if EMU won't win the MAC or how we stack up with some on the schedule down the road , yet the naysayers feel the need to assume /predict the worst for ash and RU--so easy to bitch

I'm currently pretty critical, but I am not predicting the worst.

That seems to be the tack the "Ash deserves no blame" crew is taking.

 

[Knight Shift]

LOL @ Ash being "on the hot seat"!!!

Apparently some here have completely forget what his predecessor did to this program, BOTH ON AND OFF THE FIELD, and also forget that we weren't a "perennial top 25" program to begin with for crying out loud.

IMHO there are 3 types of fans who think Ash in on the "hot seat:"

- the guy who thought we had the "talent" (suddenly) to win 6 games and feels this is no longer Flood's fault and are just baffled by what's going on right now

- the guy who doesn't like Ash, hasn't liked him from Day 1, and can't wait to see him fired

- thought that Greg should be canned after game 2 of season 2

That's all! [cheers]

You forgot the guy that never got over Schiano leaving and will take him back at any time and cost.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

So what if we have 5th year guys. Do they not count? Do we not count Washington too for some reason?

This team has talent. Not OSU talent, certainly enough that we should not be losing to EMU at home.

Still early in the season, so I think we can turn it around to some extent, we have enough talent that we should win 3-4 games, and I will believe that even if we win 1.

I never said we shouldn't have won that game; I'm talking about "the grand scheme of things" and Ash being "on the hot seat." He's not. Period.

 

[RUChoppin]

hahaha.

The schedule definitely backs off a bit for next year.

Final Massey rating from last year for the first 6 games:
128 Texas State
3 @OSU
114 @Kansas
127 Buffalo
67 Indiana
99 Illinois

In the third year in a new coach's system, (4-2) shouldn't be a far fetched concept against that lineup, especially getting both Indiana and Illinois at home.

The question is whether Ash will have been able to restock the cupboard enough to capitalize on it.

 

[RU-05]

I never said we shouldn't have won that game; I'm talking about "the grand scheme of things" and Ash being "on the hot seat." He's not. Period.

I guess I agree, certainly we are not firing him now, so why not see how this season plays out before really broaching the subject.

 

[rutgersguy1]

geez--no one really knows what's in store for RU this season or even if EMU won't win the MAC or how we stack up with some on the schedule down the road , yet the naysayers feel the need to assume /predict the worst for ash and RU--so easy to bitch

I've mentioned this before but going into the season after last year how many were surprised at how we performed against Washington? Then after Washington how many were surprised at how we performed against EM?

The best you can say right now is inconsistent and uneven team. Are we closer to the team that came out against Washington, the team that came out against EM or somewhere in between? Who the heck knows especially this early, just have to wait and see.

But fans are going to be fans that's just the way it is. One second adulation, next second run out on a rail, then back to praises and so on and so forth. It is what it is. Time is the arbiter and will tell what is the truth.

 

[RUaMoose]

I think he sucks but I'm willing to give him more time in hopes he proves me wrong

 

[RU31trap]

I'll say it again, he was brought here to clean the program up. Barchi gave explicit orders to Hobbs to hire a straight laced guy on the cheap, enter a 40 year old Chris Ash. To the extent of cleaning up the program Chris Ash did a phenomenal job and deserves a great deal of credit. Listen mistakes are expected especially from someone who does not have Head Coaching experience, but to date his mistakes are way too amateurish. This was too much of a leap for him and Rutgers was too big of an assignment.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Not that RU would necessarily, but Kansas and Colorado fired HCs after 2 years and neither is a blue blood. And in the case of the latter, it seemed to work out.

 

[Knight Shift]

I think he sucks but I'm willing to give him more time in hopes he proves me wrong

You still have Al Golden on speed dial?
Not bustin, just wondering if you still think we should have taken him.

 

[KevH]

Figured we'd get a DB article like this from our favorite rag. Won't even click on it.

I know we're all supposed to be on autopilot when it comes to hating the ledger, but what's DB about this particular article? Oh. Never mind. I see you said you won't click on it, so I guess you just assume it's a DB piece. I actually thought he made some good points... especially considering the panic that's ensued on this board after last Saturday.

 

[MADHAT1]

I know we're all supposed to be on autopilot when it comes to hating the ledger, but what's DB about this particular article? Oh. Never mind. I see you said you won't click on it, so I guess you just assume it's a DB piece. I actually thought he made some good points... especially considering the panic that's ensued on this board after last Saturday.

When it comes to that rag, expect a dirt bag article and you usually won't be wrong.
As for this board, bet that rag gets some of its information from here [jumpingsmile]and acts like it was their journalistic effort that found the info in article they put out.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Ash is not on the hot seat and he should not be as of now. 2018 must show progress and 2019 must show significant progress - a la a bowl game.

 

[bac2therac]

he is not on the hot seat but if RU goes 1-11/2-10, yes he will be on the hot seat going into year 3, NO DOUBTS ABOUT IT

 

[BlockR]

If RU fails to win a B10 game this season,season tickets drop,and RU dosent make a bowl game next season,Ash will be gone.college football has changed,its more of a business then other before.

 

[RUbacker]

If RU fails to win a B10 game this season,season tickets drop,and RU dosent make a bowl game next season,Ash will be gone.college football has changed,its more of a business then other before.

Yawn

 

[AreYouNUTS]

he is not on the hot seat but if RU goes 1-11/2-10, yes he will be on the hot seat going into year 3, NO DOUBTS ABOUT IT

I can agree with this absolutely!

 

[PSU_Nut]

Our AD loves Ash, Ash has done a great job since arriving at improving facilities, he has a vision, and Hobbs knows this is a total rebuild. We are more likely to see Hobbs increase our coaching budget significantly than we are of having a new HC anytime soon.

Improving facility is the job of the AD not the football coach. Any coach could come in and identify what facilities need to be improved. He was hired to win football games not renovate facilities. Judge his performance on the field an not how well he spends money. My wife is great at spending money to improve our home but I wouldn't hire her as a football coach because of it.

 

[vkj91]

Improving facility is the job of the AD not the football coach. Any coach could come in and identify what facilities need to be improved. He was hired to win football games not renovate facilities.

This isn't cult land where people sell their souls for wins. It's been stated multiple times that people decided to donate big money after conversations with Ash or his staff. He is needed to do both.

 

[seels2662]

LOL @ Ash being "on the hot seat"!!!

Apparently some here have completely forget what his predecessor did to this program, BOTH ON AND OFF THE FIELD, and also forget that we weren't a "perennial top 25" program to begin with for crying out loud.

IMHO there are 3 types of fans who think Ash in on the "hot seat:"

- the guy who thought we had the "talent" (suddenly) to win 6 games and feels this is no longer Flood's fault and are just baffled by what's going on right now

- the guy who doesn't like Ash, hasn't liked him from Day 1, and can't wait to see him fired

- thought that Greg should be canned after game 2 of season 2

That's all! [cheers]

There is a fourth group

If this 2018 recruiting class, which is not stellar to begin with, starts to fall apart after the loses start to pile up then there is no chance for Ash to succeed here. After that the only decision is if you want to cut the cord now or wait until closer to the end of his contract to fire him.

 

[PSU_Nut]

This isn't cult land where people sell their souls for wins. It's been stated multiple times that people decided to donate big money after conversations with Ash or his staff. He is needed to do both.

Do you believe those people will continue to buy and more importantly recruits if there is not some improvement these this year and next? The fact that season tickets sales are down 25% the last two years show that results on the field matter. People will buy talk in the first couple years but if you don't follow that talk up with results you are not going to keep those people on board. I not saying he has to win games next year but 4 or 5 wins should be the floor in year 3.

 

[vkj91]

Do you believe those people will continue to buy and more importantly recruits if there is not some improvement these this year and next? The fact that season tickets sales are down 25% the last two years show that results on the field matter. People will buy talk in the first couple years but if you don't follow that talk up with results you are not going to keep those people on board. I not saying he has to win games next year but 4 or 5 wins should be the floor in year 3.

I never said otherwise. As you said, "people will buy talk in the first couple of years". We are in week 14. People need to relax and see what happens in the next 15 months.

 

[Knight Shift]

This isn't cult land where people sell their souls for wins. It's been stated multiple times that people decided to donate big money after conversations with Ash or his staff. He is needed to do both.

Do you believe those people will continue to buy and more importantly recruits if there is not some improvement these this year and next? The fact that season tickets sales are down 25% the last two years show that results on the field matter. People will buy talk in the first couple years but if you don't follow that talk up with results you are not going to keep those people on board. I not saying he has to win games next year but 4 or 5 wins should be the floor in year 3.

I somewhat agree with both you. The three critical components of a successful coach are (in order): #1. Game day coaching (either the coach himself or his coordinators/play callers #2. Recruiting (close second)--which is inextricably intertwined with #1. Coaches who can't coach are not going to win and get prized recruits #3. Running the program the "right" way--no cheating, treating the players right, not ignoring academics, and avoiding embarrassment of the program off the field.

Our previous coach appeared to be pretty good at #1, or maybe that was masked by the great leftover players he had from Schiano. 2013 on the field was bad, but he bounced back in 2014, but then it unwound again in 2015. But he was terrible at #2 and #3, and it was a matter of time before #1 would not matter even if he was an ace of a game day coach (which he was not). There were some here who seemed to have purported inside info of things falling apart internally. But it was funny how Flood never had the support of his boss, and the donors tightened up their wallets and watched him crumble. That needed to happen.

What was interesting is how quickly the big donors stepped up and got behind Coach Ash before seeing how he was at #1 or #3. There were indications early that he was good at #2, but if #1 does not improve, #2 is going to suffer. So far, he has been horrible at #1, and hopefully with Jerry Kill as his OC, that will improve dramatically, otherwise I agree with PSUNUT that the donors are going to get restless if RU shows no progress on the field. Coach Ash said it himself that he set the reset button at the end of last season. Game 1 against UW showed some promise, and hopefully game 2 was a stumble up the stairs leading to the way out of the basement.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

There is a fourth group

If this 2018 recruiting class, which is not stellar to begin with, starts to fall apart after the loses start to pile up then there is no chance for Ash to succeed here. After that the only decision is if you want to cut the cord now or wait until closer to the end of his contract to fire him.

Not that I disagree with you but I wouldn't call that a group of people putting him on the hot seat now. I would just call that a pretty obvious potential fact (unfortunately).

 

[madchuck]

LOL @ Ash being "on the hot seat"!!!

Apparently some here have completely forget what his predecessor did to this program, BOTH ON AND OFF THE FIELD, and also forget that we weren't a "perennial top 25" program to begin with for crying out loud.

IMHO there are 3 types of fans who think Ash in on the "hot seat:"

- the guy who thought we had the "talent" (suddenly) to win 6 games and feels this is no longer Flood's fault and are just baffled by what's going on right now

- the guy who doesn't like Ash, hasn't liked him from Day 1, and can't wait to see him fired

- thought that Greg should be canned after game 2 of season 2

That's all! [cheers]

You said EMU was an automatic win

 

[RU_bhustlin]

If Schiano told Hobbs that he was available at the end of this year, what should Hobbs do? If things continue like this, I think you'd have to welcome back Schiano and eat the Ash money.

 

[MADHAT1]

If Schiano told Hobbs that he was available at the end of this year, what should Hobbs do? If things continue like this, I think you'd have to welcome back Schiano and eat the Ash money.

Right after OSU losing to OK allowing 31 points, Schiano's star dimmed a little bit ( even though OK has a great offense) and I'd wait to see how the OSU D plays against Penn St and Michigan before assuming Hobbs would be interested.
I'm not sold on Ash, but not sold on Greg being a good game-day HC on the offensive side of the ball or willing to delegate all the offensive strategy to his OC.

 

[BlockR]

Right after OSU losing to OK allowing 31 points, Schiano's star dimmed a little bit ( even though OK has a great offense) and I'd wait to see how the OSU D plays against Penn St and Michigan before assuming Hobbs would be interested.
I'm not sold on Ash, but not sold on Greg being a good game-day HC on the offensive side of the ball or willing to delegate all the offensive strategy to his OC.

One would think that at this stage of his more experienced coaching years,Schiano would hire a veteran off Cord,and leave him alone to run the game day calls on that side of the ball.
On defense,he would probably hire a D cord in 'name' but Schiano would call the defense himself.

 

[vkj91]

One would think that at this stage of his more experienced coaching years,Schiano would hire a veteran off Cord,and leave him alone to run the game day calls on that side of the ball.
On defense,he would probably hire a D cord in 'name' but Schiano would call the defense himself.

so basically what Ash is doing. Instead of paying Ash 2 million we can pay 4 to Schiano. Solid plan
Who wants to lose to EMU week 14 when you can lose to Tulane in year 10

 

[AreYouNUTS]

You said EMU was an automatic win

I said no such thing. As a matter fact - and many here can back me up - most of last year, into the spring and summer, I was one of the people calling this a "tossup" in every way, shape and form, and was grilled about it by some posters.

Don't go putting words into my mouth, thank you.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Ash is the new Terry shea.....