A look at the O-line by offers received

[brgRC90]

I'm not looking to embarrass anyone so I won't mention player names or the specific schools they got offers from but a systematic look at the known and reported offers shows this about our O-line recruits from the Class of 2013 to the Class of 2016:

1. There were 15 recruits during that period. Three have left.

2. Four got offers from a number of (mostly middling) P5 schools. (One has left.) One had an offer from one P5 school and some Div 1AA schools.

3. Three had an offer only from Rutgers (as far as is known).

4. Five had offers from Rutgers and only Div 1AA schools.

5. Two had offers from Rutgers and 1 non-P5 school.

Some of these guys probably got chewed to bits by Ohio State and Michigan.

 

[KeithK7624]

And the point of this post? It's a we'll known , and universally accepted fact that Flood set us back.

 

[RUChoppin]

I'm not looking to embarrass anyone so I won't mention player names or the specific schools they got offers from but a systematic look at the known and reported offers shows this about our O-line recruits from the Class of 2013 to the Class of 2016:

1. There were 15 recruits during that period. Three have left.

2. Four got offers from a number of (mostly middling) P5 schools. (One has left.) One had an offer from one P5 school and some Div 1AA schools.

3. Three had an offer only from Rutgers (as far as is known).

4. Five had offers from Rutgers and only Div 1AA schools.

5. Two had offers from Rutgers and 1 non-P5 school.

Some of these guys probably got chewed to bits by Ohio State and Michigan.

And when Denman, Nelson, and Muller leave (all 5th years), it's going to get interesting.

Still, it's better than the recruiting at linebacker.

2013 and 2014 were almost a complete wash out.... 7 recruits, 2 never made it to campus, 3 transferred.... the remaining 2 guys were a low 3* and a 2*, neither of which are in the two deep.

We're now starting two true sophomores and a true freshman (an Ash recruit), with a combined 1 P5 offer between them. We really need help at this position, and especially depth - Fogg will be a start, but we need more than we'll be able to replenish just in the 2017 class.

 

[czxqa]

And the point of this post? It's a we'll known , and universally accepted fact that Flood set us back.

Unfortunately there are still a number of ppl here that are under the mistaken impression that a dearth of talent is not our issue. They blame the coaching staff for not being competitive with the 50 or so players They inherited.

 

[RuSnp]

And when Denman, Nelson, and Muller leave (all 5th years), it's going to get interesting.

Still, it's better than the recruiting at linebacker.

2013 and 2014 were almost a complete wash out.... 7 recruits, 2 never made it to campus, 3 transferred.... the remaining 2 guys were a low 3* and a 2*, neither of which are in the two deep.

We're now starting two true sophomores and a true freshman (an Ash recruit), with a combined 1 P5 offer between them. We really need help at this position, and especially depth - Fogg will be a start, but we need more than we'll be able to replenish just in the 2017 class.

LB is the most damning criticism of Flood. It is one thing to convince a 6'6" 330 pound guy who has feet like a dancer to come here over offers from USC and Alabama.

There just aren't that many type of guys walking the planet. Plus you factor in how many does NJ produce a year? I'm talking good to elite college lineman. 2? 3?

But 220 pound guys that can run a 4.6 or so? In the tri-state area? Amazing how lacking the depth is right now at linebacker.

 

[RUaMoose]

Let's take a look at CA's first class (you know, the one where he spent his first three weeks on the job in OH preparing for a meaningless bowl game) of OL and some of the CFB giants that were also interested:

Maietti - Air Force, Maine, and Marist
Howson - Maine, Monmouth and Wagner
Lonsdort - Army Buffalo and Columbia

The only OL from Ash's first class that appeared to have any interest from some big boys was Krimin (Pitt, Miami, NC St)

Doesn't look much different from Flood's classes. Not much light at the end of the tunnel with respect to the OL especially given Ash has shown no ability to date to "coach up" lesser regarded players.

 

[RuSnp]

Let's take a look at CA's first class (you know, the one where he spent his first three weeks on the job in OH preparing for a meaningless bowl game) of OL and some of the CFB giants that were also interested:

Maietti - Air Force, Maine, and Marist
Howson - Maine, Monmouth and Wagner
Lonsdort - Army Buffalo and Columbia

The only OL from Ash's first class that appeared to have any interest from some big boys was Krimin (Pitt, Miami, NC St)

Doesn't look much different from Flood's classes. Not much light at the end of the tunnel with respect to the OL especially given Ash has shown no ability to date to "coach up" lesser regarded players.

I just don't think it's productive to go down this path again. He stayed for the bowl game. I said at the time it is what it is.

On the recruits for his "first" class, you need time to develop relationships. Remember Harbaugh couldn't convince Adams to flip from Flood when he was first hired by Mich. This class, the real "first" class, is what you judge Ash and co on IMO.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Let's take a look at CA's first class (you know, the one where he spent his first three weeks on the job in OH preparing for a meaningless bowl game) of OL and some of the CFB giants that were also interested:

Maietti - Air Force, Maine, and Marist
Howson - Maine, Monmouth and Wagner
Lonsdort - Army Buffalo and Columbia

The only OL from Ash's first class that appeared to have any interest from some big boys was Krimin (Pitt, Miami, NC St)

Doesn't look much different from Flood's classes. Not much light at the end of the tunnel with respect to the OL especially given Ash has shown no ability to date to "coach up" lesser regarded players.

Those 3 weeks weren't going to make a difference. You are really going to count that as Ash's class? And take a look at what he is actually doing at OL.

 

[RUChoppin]

Let's take a look at CA's first class (you know, the one where he spent his first three weeks on the job in OH preparing for a meaningless bowl game) of OL and some of the CFB giants that were also interested:

Maietti - Air Force, Maine, and Marist
Howson - Maine, Monmouth and Wagner
Lonsdort - Army Buffalo and Columbia

The only OL from Ash's first class that appeared to have any interest from some big boys was Krimin (Pitt, Miami, NC St)

Doesn't look much different from Flood's classes. Not much light at the end of the tunnel with respect to the OL especially given Ash has shown no ability to date to "coach up" lesser regarded players.

You're talking about guys left on the board in December not having offers from "CFB giants" (hint: if they had any commitable offers from P5 schools by mid-December, they'd have taken them).... and then talking about ability to "coach up" lesser regarded players over a single off season.

All while neglecting this year's OL commits.

Did Ash piss in your cornflakes?

 

[Crazed_RU]

Let's take a look at CA's first class (you know, the one where he spent his first three weeks on the job in OH preparing for a meaningless bowl game) of OL and some of the CFB giants that were also interested:

Maietti - Air Force, Maine, and Marist
Howson - Maine, Monmouth and Wagner
Lonsdort - Army Buffalo and Columbia

The only OL from Ash's first class that appeared to have any interest from some big boys was Krimin (Pitt, Miami, NC St)

Doesn't look much different from Flood's classes. Not much light at the end of the tunnel with respect to the OL especially given Ash has shown no ability to date to "coach up" lesser regarded players.

This is the most ridiculous post of the day, but I guess the day just began.

 

[RUfinal4]

Ash wasn't going to win the battles for top guys right away. He filled his roster with guys who met his work ethic. Those guys may only make the 2 deep if they outwork the guys with better offers or kids in the next 2 classes.

Flood recruited like a MAC / CUSA coach which is why we are grossly out-manned against Michigan and Ohio St. Those 2 teams have 3rd stringers who are better than our starters.

 

[drewbagel423]

Those 3 weeks weren't going to make a difference. You are really going to count that as Ash's class? And take a look at what he is actually doing at OL.

You're talking about guys left on the board in December not having offers from "CFB giants" (hint: if they had any commitable offers from P5 schools by mid-December, they'd have taken them).... and then talking about ability to "coach up" lesser regarded players over a single off season.

All while neglecting this year's OL commits.

Did Ash piss in your cornflakes?

Not for nothing but outside of Micah Clark, this year's OL commits don't exactly have great offer lists either (going by Rivals). Same can be said for most of the class, other than the top 5-6 guys.

 

[mildone]

It's going to take 3-4 years of solid and steadily improving recruiting to begin to make us competitive in the Big Ten East. Because we can't build the depth we need in a single recruiting class, or two, and probably not even in three or four.

The only way we could've short-cut all that was to hire someone with the name-recognition of a Meyer or a Saban or the like who could recruit based on having some kind of tremendous history of winning (and who wanted to come here).

And there was nobody among the coaches being considered that had that kind of winning history w/any interest in coming here. Not Schiano, not Golden (barf), nobody. Hiring a young, intelligent, hard-working staff w/experience in winning programs was a good way to go, but it's not an overnight magic fix for what ails us.

 

[RU-ROCS]

Let's take a look at CA's first class (you know, the one where he spent his first three weeks on the job in OH preparing for a meaningless bowl game) of OL and some of the CFB giants that were also interested:

Maietti - Air Force, Maine, and Marist
Howson - Maine, Monmouth and Wagner
Lonsdort - Army Buffalo and Columbia

The only OL from Ash's first class that appeared to have any interest from some big boys was Krimin (Pitt, Miami, NC St)

Doesn't look much different from Flood's classes. Not much light at the end of the tunnel with respect to the OL especially given Ash has shown no ability to date to "coach up" lesser regarded players.

The ultimate apples to oranges comparison of the year! You are comparing what Ash could get as a newly installed coach at the 11th hour to what Flood did over 4 years as head coach. Really???

 

[LevaosLectures]

And when Denman, Nelson, and Muller leave (all 5th years), it's going to get interesting.

Still, it's better than the recruiting at linebacker.

2013 and 2014 were almost a complete wash out.... 7 recruits, 2 never made it to campus, 3 transferred.... the remaining 2 guys were a low 3* and a 2*, neither of which are in the two deep.

We're now starting two true sophomores and a true freshman (an Ash recruit), with a combined 1 P5 offer between them. We really need help at this position, and especially depth - Fogg will be a start, but we need more than we'll be able to replenish just in the 2017 class.

We had a potentially very good LB class last year, but most are still redshirting: Solomon Manning, Rashawn Battle, Elorm Lumor. It is too bad we lost Elias Reynolds.

 

[miketd1]

A legit play-making, dual-threat QB makes everyone look instantly better.

Give him some weapons at WR and the line won't matter too much.

It's easier to vary the launch platform and move the pocket around to alleviate pressure with a mobile QB (obviously).

Houston did just fine (beat FSU in the Peach Bowl) and their line was so bad that I think at some point they held an open casting call on campus looking for bodies.

 

[RUChoppin]

Not for nothing but outside of Micah Clark, this year's OL commits don't exactly have great offer lists either (going by Rivals). Same can be said for most of the class, other than the top 5-6 guys.

According to Rivals and/or 247:
Clark: (Rivals 5.8, 247 0.9360) Laundry list of top programs
Bowles: (Rivals 5.6, 247 0.8396) UNC, UVA, Purdue (multiple G5)
Vretman: (Rivals 5.7, 247 0.8533) No P5 (some G5)
Beatty: (Rivals 5.5, 247 0.8281) No FBS offers, Clark's brother

Also in good shape with Ryan Solt, according to 247, who has offers from MD and Cuse.

 

[RUChoppin]

We had a potentially very good LB class last year, but most are still redshirting: Solomon Manning, Rashawn Battle, Elorm Lumor. It is too bad we lost Elias Reynolds.

Definitely looking a bit better last year at LB, and will be good to see Manning/Battle next season fighting for playing time (along with Fogg).

Offer lists from Rivals and/or 247:
Manning - UNC, Pitt, Cuse
Battle - BC, Indiana, Pitt, Cuse
Williams - No P5 (handful of G5)
Lumor - No P5 (Temple only other offer)
Pollock (transferred) Indiana, UNC, Miss St (handful of G5)

 

[drewbagel423]

According to Rivals and/or 247:
Clark: (Rivals 5.8, 247 0.9360) Laundry list of top programs
Bowles: (Rivals 5.6, 247 0.8396) UNC, UVA, Purdue (multiple G5)
Vretman: (Rivals 5.7, 247 0.8533) No P5 (some G5)
Beatty: (Rivals 5.5, 247 0.8281) No FBS offers, Clark's brother

Also in good shape with Ryan Solt, according to 247, who has offers from MD and Cuse.

I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or not, but you kinda proved my point.

 

[rubaseball78]

Let's take a look at CA's first class (you know, the one where he spent his first three weeks on the job in OH preparing for a meaningless bowl game) of OL and some of the CFB giants that were also interested:

Maietti - Air Force, Maine, and Marist
Howson - Maine, Monmouth and Wagner
Lonsdort - Army Buffalo and Columbia

The only OL from Ash's first class that appeared to have any interest from some big boys was Krimin (Pitt, Miami, NC St)

Doesn't look much different from Flood's classes. Not much light at the end of the tunnel with respect to the OL especially given Ash has shown no ability to date to "coach up" lesser regarded players.

Really? The recruiting class that just came in is not Ash's first class. He was only head coach for a little over a month prior to signing day. The fact that he picked up several players at the end who may turn out to be good players (LB - forgot his name, Bailey, Oden) gives a little indication that he may be able to recruit good players. So as you say, let's take a look at CA's first class this coming February.

 

[RUaMoose]

Really? The recruiting class that just came in is not Ash's first class. He was only head coach for a little over a month prior to signing day. The fact that he picked up several players at the end who may turn out to be good players (LB - forgot his name, Bailey, Oden) gives a little indication that he may be able to recruit good players. So as you say, let's take a look at CA's first class this coming February.

Which means it's his class. If it's not his who's is it for christsakes ? I'm fully aware he didn't recruit a lot of those guys but the fact is he owns it. Btw, didn't Harbaugh cut bait with many of his predecessor's verbals ? And for the record, CA was hired on Dec 7 (Pearl Harbor day, coincidently) a full 2 months before signing day (2-3)

 

[cicero grimes]

Unfortunately there are still a number of ppl here that are under the mistaken impression that a dearth of talent is not our issue. They blame the coaching staff for not being competitive with the 50 or so players They inherited.

But were we not told that the number of stars and offers did not matter because you know who would "coach" them up.

 

[Caliknight]

Let's take a look at CA's first class (you know, the one where he spent his first three weeks on the job in OH preparing for a meaningless bowl game) of OL and some of the CFB giants that were also interested:

Maietti - Air Force, Maine, and Marist
Howson - Maine, Monmouth and Wagner
Lonsdort - Army Buffalo and Columbia

The only OL from Ash's first class that appeared to have any interest from some big boys was Krimin (Pitt, Miami, NC St)

Doesn't look much different from Flood's classes. Not much light at the end of the tunnel with respect to the OL especially given Ash has shown no ability to date to "coach up" lesser regarded players.

Ash has more stars in his first full class than Flood had in all of his.

 

[Caliknight]

Which means it's his class. If it's not his who's is it for christsakes ? I'm fully aware he didn't recruit a lot of those guys but the fact is he owns it. Btw, didn't Harbaugh cut bait with many of his predecessor's verbals ? And for the record, CA was hired on Dec 7 (Pearl Harbor day, coincidently) a full 2 months before signing day (2-3)

It takes years to develop relationships. 2 months? Ridiculous statement.

 

[RU#1fan]

Well look at the Offers of two new WRs that will be in Camp next summer : Amir Mitchell and Bo Melton.
Think you we'll see a completely different level of Offers.

 

[Pritz99]

If it's going to take 4-5-6 years to get out of this quagmire, what kind of recruits are you going to get to sign on? You have to have the cache and charisma to say (and be believed): I'll get you exposure, get you to the NFL, we're going to win by the time you're a Red shirt soph/jr. What 4-5 * (3* for that matter) is going to sign on knowing virtually his whole college career will be losing?

He has to be able to coach up the TEAM. Their record has got to be better than their talent. Why else would a top recruit come?

Believe me, he's not telling potential recruits to wait for 4 years. He's telling them they'll win very soon. And he believes it.

 

[RUChoppin]

I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or not, but you kinda proved my point.

Wasn't necessarily agreeing or disagreeing, just adding more context..

Clark has a huge offer list, and Beatty comes as a package deal with him. Bowles has a decent offer list with some P5 offers. If Solt commits, he also has a fair-to-decent offer list, with a couple of P5 schools.

Vretman is an interesting case, because he really doesn't have many offers... yet he's rated fairly highly by both Rivals and 247.

 

[theRU]

Which means it's his class. If it's not his who's is it for christsakes ? I'm fully aware he didn't recruit a lot of those guys but the fact is he owns it. Btw, didn't Harbaugh cut bait with many of his predecessor's verbals ? And for the record, CA was hired on Dec 7 (Pearl Harbor day, coincidently) a full 2 months before signing day (2-3)

Issue of semantics.... flood's class in my opinion. Same way Flood inherited schiano's class when he was hired. Epic failure to recruit immediately after that.

 

[TMCB]

Get a running Qb and go option and that will help mask line flaws

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

I'm not looking to embarrass anyone so I won't mention player names or the specific schools they got offers from but a systematic look at the known and reported offers shows this about our O-line recruits from the Class of 2013 to the Class of 2016:

1. There were 15 recruits during that period. Three have left.

2. Four got offers from a number of (mostly middling) P5 schools. (One has left.) One had an offer from one P5 school and some Div 1AA schools.

3. Three had an offer only from Rutgers (as far as is known).

4. Five had offers from Rutgers and only Div 1AA schools.

5. Two had offers from Rutgers and 1 non-P5 school.

Some of these guys probably got chewed to bits by Ohio State and Michigan.

kind of a douche post no? I mean, why don't you just come right out and blast the kids that work their tail off to be the best they can and represent our school and state? Plenty of kids with no offers or limited offers became stars and plenty of highly touted players turned out to be duds.

 

[brgRC90]

I used O-line as an example but I suspected that every unit of the team looks the same way and linebacker more or less does:

1. There are currently 15 linebackers on the team.

2. Only 1 player had a variety of P5, and only P5, offers.

3. Four players had a variety of P5, non-P5 and 1AA offers.

4. Four players only had an offer from Rutgers.

5. Two players had a variety of offers from non-P5 and 1AA schools.

6. One player had a single offer from a non-P5 school and one player had a single offer from a 1AA school.

7. I could not find information for two players.

This is very similar to the O-line: roughly 1/3 had offers of some sort from P5 schools, roughly 1/3 had offers only from Rutgers, and roughly 1/3 offers from non-P5 schools. We have competed a lot with Syracuse and Temple for recruits--when we weren't competing with Monmouth and Stony Brook.

 

[RU-05]

Some of these guys probably got chewed to bits by Ohio State and Michigan.

What about Denman and Muller? how did they look vs OSU and Michigan?

 

[brgRC90]

kind of a douche post no? I mean, why don't you just come right out and blast the kids that work their tail off to be the best they can and represent our school and state? Plenty of kids with no offers or limited offers became stars and plenty of highly touted players turned out to be duds.

These kids aren't idiots. They know when they are probably not good enough to play at the highest level of college football. If they had only Div 1AA offers in addition to Rutgers they know that if they decide to take the offer from Rutgers that they are taking a big risk and probably reaching too far and possibly likely to get cut at some point.

 

[RUChoppin]

What about Denman and Muller? how did they look vs OSU and Michigan?

To be fair, they were both class of 2012, which was outside the parameters of the OP.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

These kids aren't idiots. They know when they are probably not good enough to play at the highest level of college football. If they had only Div 1AA offers in addition to Rutgers they know that if they decide to take the offer from Rutgers that they are taking a big risk and probably reaching too far and possibly likely to get cut at some point.

doubling down I see

I don't see it like that as plenty of kids who 'when they are probably not good enough to play at the highest level of college football' have made it to the top of the NFL. I mean I can rattle off some names but I'm sure you see my point. It's an unnecessary post that demeans our kids imho

 

[RU-05]

To be fair, they were both class of 2012, which was outside the parameters of the OP.

I know what class they were, they were a counter example.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

It's going to take 3-4 years of solid and steadily improving recruiting to begin to make us competitive in the Big Ten East. Because we can't build the depth we need in a single recruiting class, or two, and probably not even in three or four.

The only way we could've short-cut all that was to hire someone with the name-recognition of a Meyer or a Saban or the like who could recruit based on having some kind of tremendous history of winning (and who wanted to come here).

And there was nobody among the coaches being considered that had that kind of winning history w/any interest in coming here. Not Schiano, not Golden (barf), nobody. Hiring a young, intelligent, hard-working staff w/experience in winning programs was a good way to go, but it's not an overnight magic fix for what ails us.

Bobby Petrino services were available at the time. Unfortunately Rutgers could never be so bold as to hire a fallen man like Petrino. Louisville is now reaping the benefits of Petrinos expertise.

 

[RU-05]

If it's about offers then why is Rettig not the starting QB?

 

[miketd1]

doubling down I see

I don't see it like that as plenty of kids who 'when they are probably not good enough to play at the highest level of college football' have made it to the top of the NFL. I mean I can rattle off some names but I'm sure you see my point. It's an unnecessary post that demeans our kids imho

Oh, it's just locker room talk...

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Oh, it's just locker room talk...

ha