Head over to the basketball forum....we are having good conversations over there. The basketball team is a lesson on what a great, experienced coaching staff can do with a team that was 7-25.
Advice for those on the ledge about Football
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Who's on the ledge ? Many are celebrating, time for an upgrade at OC.
Don't want to rain on anyone's basketball parade, and there is a lot to be excited about, but 9-1 against the schedule so far is the equivalent of football playing Howard 5 times, UNM 4 times and then Iowa. Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, and Steve Pikiell himself has issued that caution.
As long as these kids didn't commit to the program for one guy, an underachieving, overly paid one, this is a good thing.
This is an opportunity to run the same offense Coach Ash and these kids want to be in ... With someone more experienced and frankly more aware.
This is an opportunity to run the same offense Coach Ash and these kids want to be in ... With someone more experienced and frankly more aware.
I don't disagree that the schedule is kind. However, in past years we would have at least 3 losses right now. Hartford just beat BC and Stony Brook gave Maryland a pretty good game. The team is a lot of fun to watch. Last year my wife and I left a bunch of games at halftime because the team was literally unwatchable. I could easily see at least 15 wins this year including a few in league. A very nice turn around .
not quite....while yes the competition has been weak and the team is likely to not finish better than 6-12, having watched this program for 25 plus years and especially the last awful 3 years, you can tell immediately this is a well coached team and the culture is changing whether they are successful or not. I do not get this YET from football, in fact it got worse in some ways on the field than before...Ash's first year was like last years Eddie Jordans team...overmatched in every aspect including coaching and attitude. Doesnt mean he cannot get better and succeed but just based on the first year returns. Basketball is ahead of the curve because Pikiell came in with experience coaching and then hired experienced staff, something that Ash decided not to do which IMO puts him in a tougher spot to turn things around
So does this mean we won't be seeing any football type threads titled...
Who's getting fired?
Anyone fired yet?
How come no coaches have been fired?
Or are they on hold until the 1st losing streak?
I don't follow basketball that closely, but even I can tell there is a night and day difference in the coaching and intensity of play. Concern about their shooting ability, which was exposed against Miami. But they are scrappy fighters. Also like what Coach P. did in bringing in Gettys and the other transfer (name escapes me). As far as football and coaching experience, that is true on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball. Golden opportunity to make lemonade out of lemons and bring in an experienced offensive coach.
I think what you can say is they've beaten the teams they should beat which is a big upgrade over the EJ era.
Lack of legit shooters will eventually catch up with them in the B1G but it seems that's been a concern all long.
Yes. Pikiell has done a tremendous job. The basketball team is fun to watch again. The last 2-3 years, they were listless.
But against Miami they showed they could press and disrupt a better team's offense.
Why do you feel the need to rain on anyone's parade. Just enjoy the start. It's been years since we have seen any excitement from men's bball.
St.John's lost to Delaware State, PSU to Albany and Temple lost to New Hampshire. Ru has beaten everyone they should have beaten.
Guess you did not read my whole post ("there is a lot to be excited about") and my following posts. There are plenty of casual observers who might think 9-1 will translate to a 27-3 season. Even Steve Pikiell has made statements to temper any irrational exuberance.
Problem is when you start out saying I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade that is exactly what you are doing.
Problem is you are projecting what is in someone else's mind, and I can guarantee you are wrong in this case. If anything, it was pump the brakes and slow down a bit.
Aside from that, the whole premise of the OP was wrong IMO. If I may project, WTF with being on the ledge and abandoning football. It's the first season in a rebuilding year. The statement "The basketball team is a lesson on what a great, experienced coaching staff can do with a team that was 7-25." is a cheap shot at the football program. A lesson. Yeah, OK.
I will say this, the difference in tone between the two boards is incredible. The basketball board is excited, but for the most part reasonable. We all know the OOC has been soft but we also know that this is a totally new team that is learning to play together and the OOC had to play the role of scrimmages just so these guys could play together. The excitement stems from how quickly it seems to be coming together. Everyone over knows the last 19 games, SHU plus the BIG, will not be as successful but there is considerable belief it will be mostly competitive. Football was also expecting the games to be competitive, I know i was. That didn't happen and now everyone on the football side has decided to hunt for reasons. That of course rang from Flood dod it, to no talent, to scheme change, to the new coaches suck. Until the football program turns it around the way the basketball program seems to have done it will stay that way over here. I go to both boards regularly and right now it is a lot more fun over there.
Major factor here you are ignoring is talent. Eddie was a terrible coach, but he had only 7 healthy players last year, so he was doomed to fail. I agree that Pikiell and his staff are the real deal and a huge upgrade, but he has a lot more talent than Eddie had. He also has a lot more talent than Ash has (compare hoop's QB Corey Sanders to football's QB Laviano). RU's basketball talent is nowhere near the top of the Big10, but it is considerably better than the bare cupboard that Flood left Ash. The hoops schedule has been horrendous. Ash's team looked good against Iowa, MN and competitive against UI and IU, with very little talent. A more experienced staff would have helped, but we are so far away from UM, OSU and PSU in talent, it would not have changed those blowouts. The hoops team has yet to even beat a team as good as New Mexico was in football. So let's see where the season leads. I for one think both Ash and Pike will succeed, but the rebuild is far more difficult in football. Time will tell.
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Men's Basketball is clearly better than last year and they success so far is to be celebrated since it is so rare for us. But they still may not win a Big Ten game this year. We haven't shown we could beat Big Ten level teams yet. The only one we played we lost too. So everyone should claim the hell down but enjoy this run for what it is.
The rebuilding process will take years.
The rebuilding process will take years.
MBB better not sleep on FDU.
I think they get their best player back from injury for Wed night's game.
I think they get their best player back from injury for Wed night's game.
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