Another Rutgers player hits the portal (women's team)

[eso1989]

From 2020, but very relevant to this discussion - CVS mentioned

Women's hoops succession plan: Who's got next at UConn, Baylor, more?

From Baylor's Kim Mulkey and UConn's Geno Auriemma to South Carolina's Dawn Staley and Stanford's Tara VanDerveer, who will follow in their footsteps?

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[bac2therac]

I wish Chelsea Newton had some head coaching experience, she would be a great candidate.

I think the Dayton coach Shauna Green would be excellent, however I almost certain that we will hire an african american coach, no controversy here I dont mean it that way, I just think that is reality on where we will head with this. I do think CVS will have a say and its going to be someone that reflects her style.

 

[richthedentist]

I hope we dont hire an assistant

especially one associated with the program now; we need a fresh start

 

[bac2therac]

our assistant staff does not have the chops

 

[sammybb]

Okay. Let's debate with facts. Coach Stringer's won-lost percentage and league results were much better in her first 10 years than in the last ten years. One more fact.......it is not accident that highly recruited players have left the program and are planning to leave the program. Why is it so difficult to say that Coach Stringer is not as effective as she once was? Nothing that has happened in the past few years takes away from her lifetime coaching achievements. Let's just call it as it is.

I am fine saying that the program has not been as good the last 10 years as the previous 10. I think that's pretty obvious. I'm not as aligned with the fact that "highly recruited players have left the program" narrative just because Diamond has entered transfer portal.

I agree, CVS is not as effective as she once was. But I'd prefer to talk about that with actual observations, and not reliance on old tropes that don't really apply right now.

 

[sammybb]

CVS just brought in the 8th ranked class, yet the top player is transfering again, just like that big did last year..remember her, all the hubbub of her not being able to play in high school and she floundered last year.

True its not a disaster but its clear that the program is basically in quicksand. We cannot move forward and are basically trapped in time right now...a program that will not really be top 25 but wont be awful and will make the NCAA every so often but not a threat to beat anyone or not really relevant nationally.

Coming off of what Grentz did and what CVS did up until 2009, thats tough to swallow for the progam

Program needs energy, CVS should pick a young energized coach and become an assistant to her and work with her

I don't want to compare the Maori Davenport transfer with Diamond. Maori struggled last year to perform, transferred to UGA, where she...again...struggled to perform. Hard to put that one on CVS/coaching staff.

Diamond, on the other hand, was a star from the beginning and got the PT/stats to prove it.

Very possible they are leaving for completely different reasons.

 

[newell138]

Remember we are dealing with 18-22 year old girls. As a father of 2 in their 20's, its not easy. Maybe she just didnt like someone on the team.

 

[wngarbarini]

That she did not like someone or something is obvious. The issue is how do you avoid bringing in the # 6 ranked senior in the nation and have her leave after her first year. You are all delusional if you think CVS will ever step down voluntarily as they will have to rip the clipboard out of her hands.

 

[MADHAT1]

CVS just brought in the 8th ranked class, yet the top player is transfering again, just like that big did last year..remember her, all the hubbub of her not being able to play in high school and she floundered last year.

True its not a disaster but its clear that the program is basically in quicksand. We cannot move forward and are basically trapped in time right now...a program that will not really be top 25 but wont be awful and will make the NCAA every so often but not a threat to beat anyone or not really relevant nationally.

Coming off of what Grentz did and what CVS did up until 2009, thats tough to swallow for the progam

Program needs energy, CVS should pick a young energized coach and become an assistant to her and work with her

"Program needs energy, CVS should pick a young energized coach and become an assistant to her and work with her:
are you saying CVS should become an assistant,?
But if that young energetic Coach would be Vivian's assistant, I can go along with that as something probably needed.

 

[wngarbarini]

Never happen in 100 years

 

[Knight Time Fan]

our assistant staff does not have the chops

Even though I pushed back at them being denigrated, I don't personally see them as head coach candidates; OTH I actually think that Tim Eatman will get a look-see from the administration.

 

[bac2therac]

"Program needs energy, CVS should pick a young energized coach and become an assistant to her and work with her:
are you saying CVS should become an assistant,?
But if that young energetic Coach would be Vivian's assistant, I can go along with that as something probably needed.

Not sure that will work

 

[bac2therac]

Even though I pushed back at them being denigrated, I don't personally see them as head coach candidates; OTH I actually think that Tim Eatman will get a look-see from the administration.

It would be a mistake

We need a coach who played womens hoops. There are so many

Also a race based hire is also a likely possibility. We should not shy away from this subject. And i have no issue if its best candidate and she is qualified..if we go that route Newton is my choice

 

[scarlettb]

I wish Chelsea Newton had some head coaching experience, she would be a great candidate.

I think the Dayton coach Shauna Green would be excellent, however I almost certain that we will hire an african american coach, no controversy here I dont mean it that way, I just think that is reality on where we will head with this. I do think CVS will have a say and its going to be someone that reflects her style.

Both Tasha Pointer and Courtney Locke have Head Coaching experience, but not at major programs. I too wish Chelsea had head coaching experience, but even without it, she might be the best choice if RU chooses to go with an alum after CVS retires. I also like Shauna Green (I am a UD alum and a booster there as well as at RU) but I don't see RU giving her a serious look.

 

[MADHAT1]

Not sure that will work

so you're saying Vivian should move down to the assistant level.
That won't work at all and 20-12 >22-10 ( first round loss > 22-9 ( tourney canceled) & 14-5 ( first round loss) in the last 4 years might have a HC be pushed out because of Tourney failures , even though a HOF HC, but totally disrespectful to any HC with a 4 year record like I posted.
Saying she should retyire I can see, but becoming an assistant from being the HC is a different story and is sometjing that looks more like disrespect for the HC,than a legitimate option

Your saying she needs to be an assistant makes me feel there's more than her losing a step to the way you seem to dislike CVS.as the HC..

 

[bac2therac]

so you're saying Vivian should move down to the assistant level.
That won't work at all and 20-12 >22-10 ( first round loss > 22-9 ( tourney canceled) & 14-5 ( first round loss) in the last 4 years might have a HC be pushed out because of Tourney failures , even though a HOF HC, but totally disrespectful to any HC with a 4 year record like I posted.
Saying she should retyire I can see, but becoming an assistant from being the HC is a different story and is sometjing that looks more like disrespect for the HC,than a legitimate option

Your saying she needs to be an assistant makes me feel there's more than her losing a step to the way you seem to dislike CVS.as the HC..

yes she has lost her step and energy, she can be an assistant to Chelsea Newton if thats the route they want to go

otherwise we need a clean break with no ties to any of the CVS regime

 

[ScarletteK80]

Kids normally want to win and they more than some on this board know that’s not happening with the offense we run.

Nope, the offense we ran this year has been outstanding.

 

[ScarletteK80]

Why would she come here in the first place? Still don't see how excellent playesr still want to come to RU in this stagnant offense.

The offense we ran this year has been outstanding.

 

[ScarletteK80]

It was time 10 years ago

Oh, please. You never post on this board when things are going well.

 

[ScarletteK80]

Looks like freshman superstar G Diamond Johnson has entered the portal, per multiple tweets. If true (and I don't know if it is), this will be just AWFUL for C Viv and the women's team.

Meh, not a good thing for sure, but we still have some great players on the team.

 

[ScarletteK80]

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While Mael has certainly had a good year, she is not a big loss for this team, and I like Mael.

 

[ScarletteK80]

She is one of the best frosh in the country and she evidently wants to progress in her game. Diamond won’t do that here unfortunately. Stagnated offense . Overrated 55 defense. And a Hall of Fame coach who can’t win in the NCAA tournament anymore it seems.

Oh please, just stop it. The offense has been stellar this year. The 55 is still outstanding, and CVS is still one of the most respected coaches in the women's game.

 

[ScarletteK80]

Ugh. Dare to say it’s time to go ?

Go back to the MBB board, you get abused by the posters over there for your never ending negative posts.

 

[ScarletteK80]

The game has passed her by Lou. Her accomplishments are fantastic, nobody’s arguing that, but she can’t even get us out of the first round of the Big Ten tournament with ALL that talent for crying out loud. I’d like to think that she would understand she’s not moving the program forward anymore let alone to where she once had it, and would realize it’s time to retire, but I’m pretty sure she has absolutely zero intentions of admitting that and doing so.

Kids normally want to win and they more than some on this board know that’s not happening with the offense we run.

Made me laugh. .

 

[ScarletteK80]

I wish Chelsea Newton had some head coaching experience, she would be a great candidate.

I think the Dayton coach Shauna Green would be excellent, however I almost certain that we will hire an african american coach, no controversy here I dont mean it that way, I just think that is reality on where we will head with this. I do think CVS will have a say and its going to be someone that reflects her style.

I've said that I would love to give Chelsea a chance. She has been a stellar assistant coach for years now, and she bleeds scarlet. I follow her on Facebook, she gushes about CVS, and RU all the time.

 

[ScarletteK80]

One of the best freshmen for sure.The best players in the country go to the elite schools like Uconn.Stanford,South Carolina, Baylor and Maryland.

Baylor, and Maryland have both lost if you follow the tourney.

 

[ScarletteK80]

Can we at least be debating with some facts in front of us here?

1. RU's offense averaged 75ppg this year (Top 50 in nation); and minus one Nebraska game, I'd argue the games the team lost, defense was a bigger problem than offense. Diamond averaged 17.5ppg of that.
2. RU got a #3 seed in the B10 tourney, a bye, and then lost in the quarters to #6 seed Iowa, a team that earned itself a #5 seed in the NCAAs and made it to the Sweet 16.
3. RU got a #6 seed in the NCAAs and was upset in the first round after losing a lead; again, I'd say defense was the culprit here.
4. CVS can still bring in some high ranked recruits (This past class, Zippy, etc), but she is not recruiting at the level she once was. In fact, none of our three seniors--Arella, Tekia, Mael--were top 100 HS recruits. And Arella is about to be a first round WNBA pick.
5. I don't have stats to back this up, but the transfer rate at RU is not dissimilar to other schools.
6. We also lost Maroi Davenport to UGA. Maori said to press her decision to transfer had nothing to do with RU, but with wanting to be closer to home. Regardless, she was not a big factor at UGA this year.
7. None of us know why Diamond has decided to enter the transfer portal--I watched multiple games this year where the announcers commented on how tight the team seemed on the bench. It's a fact her loss would be huge; it is not a fact--at all--why she is leaving.
8. Had RU beaten BYU, they would have faced an Arizona team that is now in the Final 4. COudl they have beaten that team? I think they could have. But no doubt, this was a disappointing finish .

SO here's where the program stands, imo: If you count the past year, RU has made/would have made three straight NCAA tournaments. Their seeds were #6, #7, and I think last year they probably would have a been a #9/#10. So according to seed, RU has been considered one of the top 32 programs in the country in two of the past three years. Now, they've been upset in the first rounds, so you can argue they are actually worse than that, but tournaments can be weird.

So in short, I'd say here's where the program is: Consistently top 40, occasionally top 25. In most years, a top 6 B10 team. This is far from where CVS previously had the program, but it's not a disaster.

Very good points. It was nice to see you show up on here after being MIA for a long time. You are one of the smartest posters for the RU ladies.

 

[ScarletteK80]

our performances in the Big 10 tourney have generally been pretty woeful

BAC, while I think you are one of the better posters over on the MBB, I don't get why you only post over here when things aren't going well. When I post over on the MBB, I never post only negative comments.

 

[ScarletteK80]

It was time 10 years ago

Very negative post. Maybe you should stick to crit

I hope we dont hire an assistant

I take it that you don't like coach Eatman?

 

[RUBOB72]

Oh please, just stop it. The offense has been stellar this year. The 55 is still outstanding, and CVS is still one of the most respected coaches in the women's game.

Please you are living in the past . Her teams have continued to under perform now for too long. The reality is hard but she lacks the entensity needed just like many do. The 55 is an overrated D . When was the last time in a meaningful game it worked. Like in the NCAA tourney. Listen she was a great coach but her time has passed.

 

[MADHAT1]

BAC, while I think you are one of the better posters over on the MBB, I don't get why you only post over here when things aren't going well. When I post over on the MBB, I never post only negative comments.

In bac's defense, even though he does make me question his fixation on how race will play an in
the next RU WBB HC hire and why he feels race will be a major factor for Hobbs when choosing that HC, bac ( in my opinion) seems to panic a bit when the men's team isn't doing well and some sky is falling implications seem to be what he thinks .
Here ( in my opinion) he just wants Stringer gone and attacks the program because of that.

 

[RUcrazee]

Ali Patberg staying for extra year at Indiana, while Jaelynn Penn enters portal.

Not saying that she is the equal to Diamond, but Jaelynn would be a good fit for us if Diamond were to leave.

 

[ScarletteK80]

Please you are living in the past . Her teams have continued to under perform now for too long. The reality is hard but she lacks the entensity needed just like many do. The 55 is an overrated D . When was the last time in a meaningful game it worked. Like in the NCAA tourney. Listen she was a great coach but her time has passed.

 

[ScarletteK80]

Please you are living in the past . Her teams have continued to under perform now for too long. The reality is hard but she lacks the entensity needed just like many do. The 55 is an overrated D . When was the last time in a meaningful game it worked. Like in the NCAA tourney. Listen she was a great coach but her time has passed.

I can't stand all you guys stating "her time has passed." So many of you use that comment over, and over again, enough already.

 

[RUBOB72]

I can't stand all you guys stating "her time has passed." So many of you use that comment over, and over again, enough already.

What makes you think we are all guys? Now that is definitely wrong. Because you assume a person’s gender does not mean we dislike C Viv. We just think a change may be in order. We’ll see next season what and how she adjusts in a very tough WBB world.

 

[Tango Two]

 

[SBP]

CVS is a living legend. She gets to stay as long as she wants. One thing Hobbs could do is pay her a salary commensurate with the results over the last decade.

Also, I'm not sure you blame this on CVS. I get the points about maybe Diamond doesn't like the offense or defensive philosophy. But she knew that coming in. From my limited exposure watching games, T-Mack would yell at Diamond. Maybe she's not built for that kind of team chemistry.

I dont often comment on this board, but your point about T Mack is a good one. Her yelling at her teammates is not a good look at all, and I can see how Diamond wasn’t feeling that... nor would I.

 

[RUBOB72]

That she did not like someone or something is obvious. The issue is how do you avoid bringing in the # 6 ranked senior in the nation and have her leave after her first year. You are all delusional if you think CVS will ever step down voluntarily as they will have to rip the clipboard out of her hands.

That is exactly the point with C VivIan Stringer . The idea that she will eventually retire from coaching after many years of success is highly unlikely. Old coaches fail to see they are doing more harm than good to the school and the kids they coach. We understand the sensitivity issue involved and the difficulty and backlash from a negative press. Never mind the politicians in a very unstable world and how they will use it as a negative part of our society and past indiscretions. If she was able to stand they might let her coach until her 80’s at Rutgers. We are so different than our competition.

 

[rimsky]

Pat Hobbs is in awe of CVS. He is not expecting WBB to produce revenue. Expect CVS to dictate the terms of her next contract. There is no impetus for change.

 

[scarlettb]

I am curious about how some of the posters on here that have decided our women's team players are transferring because the game has passed CVS by and/or there is something terrible going on behind the scenes with the program that we don't know about view what is happening with the transfers from the men's team. Has the game passed Coach Pikiell by? Is there something terrible going on behind the scenes there too? Both teams had pretty good seasons this year, both would have made the NCAA's the previous year, yet both teams are faced with players unexpectedly transferring. Any ideas?
Personally, I think CVS is planning to retire and will announce it after the women's final is played so as not to take attention away from the teams and coaches playing tonight. I think her players are aware of her decision. Otherwise, I can't see Zippy, in particular, choosing to leave. she is very active in not only playing basketball at RU, but is involved in the athletic council. I hope I am wrong, as I am one who wants Coach to stay, but we shall see.