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dont think he is striking again, those comments are from awhile ago. with his hiring of Hobbs and some other postive things re: fundraising, things are moving in the right direction.
 
me thinks that Hurley is not getting enough assurances to committment from Rutgers

looks like another failure to committ fully to hoops like they need...either do it or get out of the conference or at least admit you just want to be Penn State in hoops

Willaims will get the job because he is the only one that will not make demands because he is no position to do so. Barchi will be happy and he gets to save money. I knew this guy was still going to be an issue.
 
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bac2therac said:
me thinks that Hurley is not getting enough assurances to committment from Rutgers

looks like another failure to committ fully to hoops like they need...either do it or get out of the conference or at least admit you just want to be Penn State in hoops

Willaims will get the job because he is the only one that will not make demands because he is no position to do so. Barchi will be happy and he gets to save money. I knew this guy was still going to be an issue.
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This issue needs to get cleared up immediately. Hobbs needs Barchi to make a statement giving 100% of his support to RU BB. Without this we may lose our top candidates.

Surely Hobbs will get this addressed in a positive way or else we will be looking at getting a 2nd tier candidate.
 
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mikemarc1 said:
Doubt his reputation was great in football circles either....and we seem to have gotten a pretty good hire.
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apples and oranges...if you can tell the difference between our committment to football and our lack of committment to basketball I cant help you. Hurley is going to need things to help him out...basics that any other Power 5 coach would get..whether it be perks, facilities, transportation, academic support stuff....I think that latter may be an issue here. RU has always had ridiculous standards tougher than the NCAA
 
bac2therac said:
me thinks that Hurley is not getting enough assurances to committment from Rutgers

looks like another failure to committ fully to hoops like they need...either do it or get out of the conference or at least admit you just want to be Penn State in hoops

Willaims will get the job because he is the only one that will not make demands because he is no position to do so. Barchi will be happy and he gets to save money. I knew this guy was still going to be an issue.
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Not sure how Hobbs proves that things will be different. Hurley and Hobbs know each other, so they know each others credibility and whether they can take their word. I guess Hobbs can show him "pledges" that exist but are not public? Maybe some one with more experience can say ow these "proofs" are proven.
 
So hypothetically if Hurley wants a commitment from Barchi that isn't anywhere near feasible, and Barchi puts his foot down on it...that is 100% a bad thing?

We all heard this same rhetoric as the football season dragged on. "There's no money, it will never happen". Until it happened. It showed that he and the other decision makers were at least being flexible in how they have committed to our football program. I see no reason to believe they aren't showing a realistic commitment to the basketball program as well. That doesn't mean Hurley should be given what amounts to a blank check of guarantees.

People said it in other threads. You roll out the red carpet of guarantees for a true stud coach. Doing the same for Dan Hurley is dangerous.
 
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Knightmoves said:
This issue needs to get cleared up immediately. Hobbs needs Barchi to make a statement giving 100% of his support to RU BB. Without this we may lose our top candidates.

Surely Hobbs will get this addressed in a positive way or else we will be looking at getting a 2nd tier candidate.
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and its Hobbs job to sell this...lets be honest, he knows hoops, he knows exactly the shadiness that goes on with college hoops and what it takes to win. He need to convince Barchi, anything and its a failure of his job and he might as well have kept Jordan another year. All of this kind of convincing should have happened long before he started interview candidates.

Barchi screwed Pernetti in 2013, he screwed Julie in not letting her fire Flood in 2013, now it seems like he is going to screw Hobbs in this search. One constant here. I realize he made a bold move with ousting Flood/Hobbs but it seems like a leopard does not change his spots
 
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Knightmoves said:
This issue needs to get cleared up immediately. Hobbs needs Barchi to make a statement giving 100% of his support to RU BB. Without this we may lose our top candidates.

Surely Hobbs will get this addressed in a positive way or else we will be looking at getting a 2nd tier candidate.
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He can make any statement he wants, the question the candidates are going to ask is, can RU commit to improve the facilities in a specific time frame.
 
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I dont understand this.

Every school in the country has built basketball practice facilities with donor money. EVERY SINGLE ONE. If Rutgers can't pull it together thru three AD's and three Presidents someone will need to explain to me the "It's Barchi's fault" logic.

The singular commitment to football certainly goes back long before Barchi, no?

And the reason we can't raise enough money for a basketball practice facility?

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RBS05 said:
So hypothetically if Hurley wants a commitment from Barchi that isn't anywhere near feasible, and Barchi puts his foot down on it...that is 100% a bad thing?

We all heard this same rhetoric as the football season dragged on. "There's no money, it will never happen". Until it happened. It showed that he and the other decision makers were at least being flexible in how they have committed to our football program. I see no reason to believe they aren't showing a realistic commitment to the basketball program as well. That doesn't mean Hurley should be given what amounts to a blank check of guarantees.

People said it in other threads. You roll out the red carpet of guarantees for a true stud coach. Doing the same for Dan Hurley is dangerous.
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oh its not just Hurley, its any decent solid coach...thats why the candidate list is so feeble and Hobbs is running around trying to get Jay Williams.

RU is in the weak postion here..they need to do all they can to make this job attractive for a coach. Jordan made no demands and I feel sorry for him because the school basically pissed on him
 
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RutgHoops said:
I dont understand this.

Every school in the country has built basketball practice facilities with donor money. EVERY SINGLE ONE. If Rutgers can't pull it together thru three AD's and three Presidents someone will need to explain to me the "It's Barchi's fault" logic.

The singular commitment to football certainly goes back long before Barchi, no?

And the reason we can't raise enough money for a basketball practice facility?

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it probably goes beyond just facility guarantees
 
let Hobbs do his job, Can't see how Barchi's perceived reputation is an issue, maybe an excuse but not much of an issue. As a potential hire you either get what you want and need or you don't. I like what Hobb's has done/is doing, you can't build new basketball facility by tomorrow the commitment at this point is there.
 
bac2therac said:
Barchi screwed Pernetti in 2013, he screwed Julie in not letting her fire Flood in 2013, now it seems like he is going to screw Hobbs in this search. One constant here. I realize he made a bold move with ousting Flood/Hobbs but it seems like a leopard does not change his spots
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Sorry but at this point I don't think it is fair to put anything on Barchi. Yes, he made those comments. However, since then (as you reference) he opened the purse strings to let go of Herman, Flood, the entire football staff and Jordan. He then spent further and hired Ash and gave him a larger budget than what Flood had.

Now not only did we pay Eddie to go away, it is being reported, that we gave Hurley a 6 year $2M offer (more years and dollars than Eddie). If Hurley wants promises on the facilities as Hawk alluded to what more can Hobbs/Barchi do than say we are fundraising and the second we hit the goal a shovel goes in the ground?

Sorry but while Barchi's reputation has been one thing (and deservedly so athletically speaking) his actions since December have been another.
 
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and its Hobbs job to sell this...lets be honest, he knows hoops, he knows exactly the shadiness that goes on with college hoops and what it takes to win. He need to convince Barchi, anything and its a failure of his job and he might as well have kept Jordan another year. All of this kind of convincing should have happened long before he started interview candidates.

Barchi screwed Pernetti in 2013, he screwed Julie in not letting her fire Flood in 2013, now it seems like he is .going to screw Hobbs in this search. One constant here. I realize he made a bold move with ousting Flood/Hobbs but it seems like a leopard does not change his spots
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Disagree. I believe that Hobbs has as close to carte blanche with this coaching hire as is possible from Barchi. If Barchi doesn't give Hobbs 100% of what he needs to make this hire then we may as well start looking for a new AD now.

Even RU cannot blow this deal. It would be another colossal mistake on our part and will infuriate the fan base even more. Not like we haven't been let down before, but I will be shocked if RU doesn't make a full commitment to the next BB coach.
 
bac2therac said:
oh its not just Hurley, its any decent solid coach...thats why the candidate list is so feeble and Hobbs is running around trying to get Jay Williams.

RU is in the weak postion here..they need to do all they can to make this job attractive for a coach. Jordan made no demands and I feel sorry for him because the school basically pissed on him
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From the article after going through why Barchi is the issue: "So now the search’s scope is expanding. As reported by NJ.com, ESPN commentator Jay Williams – the former star at St. Joseph-Metuchen High School and Duke University – interviewed with Hobbs on Monday. So did George Washington coach Mike Lonergan."

So Carino is saying this is causing us to go all the way down to a guy like Lonergan...who would be an excellent hire for us.

Sorry, I'm not taking all of what Carino is saying at face value. Definitely not something without even a single quote from not even an unnamed source.
 
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oh its not just Hurley, its any decent solid coach...thats why the candidate list is so feeble and Hobbs is running around trying to get Jay Williams.

RU is in the weak postion here..they need to do all they can to make this job attractive for a coach. Jordan made no demands and I feel sorry for him because the school basically pissed on him
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Any HC worth his salt (Hurley/Lonergan..that level) is going to demand what other University's give as a matter of course. Practice facilities, sizable recruiting budgets, sizable asst coaching budgets, nice athlete dorms, etc. etc. The same stuff Ash got. You think Ash was coming here if he had to schedule football practice around the WBB team and baseball team? Come on.

Rutgers can't commit to that level of support because the B1G money and what little donor money we have goes to football. That isn't Barchi's fault. Just isn't.
 
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and by the way--how does anyone really know how interested hurley is in RU--his entire family has proven otherwise over the years
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I am going to be the myth-buster of the board.

Rosario, Mack, Echenique, Biruta. All played for Hurley's. Two top 50 kids, a top 100 kid and a top 150 kid. Name me another coach(es) who have shown more faith in our program than the Hurleys?
 
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Institutional support counts. And I have been saying that folks with options have reasons to look elsewhere first. This is a real, though not insurmountable, one.

But this piece sure sounds like something planted by coaches' agents to gin up the price tag. Who else are the unnamed sources other than Hurley's agent? Various AAU coaches who are disgruntled we have not greased their palms sufficiently to send any talent our way?

Danny is going to need a rationalization to explain to all his Jersey friends and fans why he doesn't (if that is the case) step up to the challenge. This might work.
 
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it is being reported, that we gave Hurley a 6 year $2M offer
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Danny Hurley isn't worth anywhere near $2M/yr. That's absurd if accurate. In 6 years he's never taken a team to the tourney. His brother got $1.2M/yr at ASU after taking Buffalo to the tourney. Cronin makes $2.2M/yr at Cincy & just got that last year, but he's taken a team to the tourney 7 times. Hurley is worth $1.5M/yr, maybe.
 
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Leonard23 said:
Danny Hurley isn't worth anywhere near $2M/yr. That's absurd if accurate. In 6 years he's never taken a team to the tourney. His brother got $1.2M/yr at ASU after taking Buffalo to the tourney. Cronin makes $2.2M/yr at Cincy & just got that last year, but he's taken a team to the tourney 7 times. Hurley is worth $1.5M/yr, maybe.
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that's my point. If true, he's milking this.
 
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RutgHoops said:
I dont understand this.

Every school in the country has built basketball practice facilities with donor money. EVERY SINGLE ONE. If Rutgers can't pull it together thru three AD's and three Presidents someone will need to explain to me the "It's Barchi's fault" logic.

The singular commitment to football certainly goes back long before Barchi, no?

And the reason we can't raise enough money for a basketball practice facility?

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BINGO!!!!
 
RBS05 said:
From the article after going through why Barchi is the issue: "So now the search’s scope is expanding. As reported by NJ.com, ESPN commentator Jay Williams – the former star at St. Joseph-Metuchen High School and Duke University – interviewed with Hobbs on Monday. So did George Washington coach Mike Lonergan."

So Carino is saying this is causing us to go all the way down to a guy like Lonergan...who would be an excellent hire for us.

Sorry, I'm not taking all of what Carino is saying at face value. Definitely not something without even a single quote from not even an unnamed source.
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Carino is very connected. He knows his stuff. Yes this stuff is out there to get RU to break down a little in the negotations.

and RU66 just lmfao on your comments about the Hurleys
 
Leonard23 said:
Danny Hurley isn't worth anywhere near $2M/yr. That's absurd if accurate. In 6 years he's never taken a team to the tourney. His brother got $1.2M/yr at ASU after taking Buffalo to the tourney. Cronin makes $2.2M/yr at Cincy & just got that last year, but he's taken a team to the tourney 7 times. Hurley is worth $1.5M/yr, maybe.
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RU will probably have to overpay, given the other concerns, facilities, etc..
 
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that's my point. If true, he's milking this.
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I would milk it too if I were him. RU is in a position of weakness, so much so they are going to hire jay williams. Hurley is leaving a team on the cusp of a NCAA bid, many national media guys think he would be crazy to go to this job.
 
bac2therac said:
Carino article

key part here...."Rutgers president Robert Barchi’s reputation in college basketball circles is so poor that it is said to be considered a heavy con by the favorites for the vacancy, starting with Dan Hurley."

http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...ling-rutgers-job-barchis-reputation/81806464/
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I'm actually glad Carino wrote this article. Barchi NEEDS to be shamed into providing the financials and the right atmosphere to succeed. If anything, this kind of article will get back to him and if he doesn't know it already will immediately realize what a TERRIBLE REPUTATION he has.

I'm sure part of Hobbs taking the AD job was a condition to not only open up the purse strings, but to have control over getting this done and not on the cheap. And that includes guaranteeing that the practice facilities are built and the RAC is refurbished up to B1G standards.

That article is great on so many levels. The donors will be on the hook as well.
 
Leonard23 said:
Danny Hurley isn't worth anywhere near $2M/yr. That's absurd if accurate. In 6 years he's never taken a team to the tourney. His brother got $1.2M/yr at ASU after taking Buffalo to the tourney. Cronin makes $2.2M/yr at Cincy & just got that last year, but he's taken a team to the tourney 7 times. Hurley is worth $1.5M/yr, maybe.
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He's only worth that because Rutgers can't commit to facility upgrades. So to entice that level of candidate (without facilities) you have to overpay. I agree he is worth $1.5MM/year. Maybe less. ONCE A SHOVEL GOES IN THE GROUND. Until then I can't tell you what a seemingly solid HC with local ties and a huge name is worth. $2MM sounds good actually.
 
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I would milk it too if I were him. RU is in a position of weakness, so much so they are going to hire jay williams. Hurley is leaving a team on the cusp of a NCAA bid, many national media guys think he would be crazy to go to this job.
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Certainly don't want to beg him to take it by over-paying and although it's not the most desirable job, there has to be MANY coaches who are better choices than Williams.
 
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